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 vincec
 
Location: Here there and everywhere
The image of success
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< on 6/1/2007 5:18 PM >
|  | | | I'm going to be driving from Toronto to Detroit this summer. Does anyone know if the buildings in Forgotten Detroit are still standing and somewhat available for a visit?
http://www.forgottendetroit.com/
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose
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Curious_George
   
Location: Cambridge
Gender: Male
Straight outta New Bedlam
| | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 1 on 6/1/2007 5:22 PM >
| | | | Why don't you do some research and come up with some answers, or drive around the city. I'm not trying to be mean here but come on, the site gives you so much information to work with.
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Myelin
 
Location: The End of Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 2 on 6/1/2007 5:37 PM >
| | | | There's a buttload of web sites in addition to that one you can use to research these buildings. Anytime I've driven through Detroit it looks like time has stood still. All these old buildings just sit there for decades. I'm sure what is on these websites today will be there next month and for many years to come. Detroit is trapped in a vacuum. Enjoy!
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yokes
 
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| |  | | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 3 on 6/1/2007 6:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by vincec
I'm going to be driving from Toronto to Detroit this summer. Does anyone know if the buildings in Forgotten Detroit are still standing and somewhat available for a visit?
http://www.forgottendetroit.com/
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Yes and no.
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dixiesquare
| | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 4 on 6/1/2007 8:32 PM >
| | | | Pick up the tour guide!!!
Come on, put the exploring back in exploring!!!
"sadly alot of explorers in Chicago are 'park hipsters who take boring pictures to impress girls who smoke Parliaments and listen to Wilco." |
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DK--
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Location: not here
another victim of the ldb
| | | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 5 on 6/1/2007 8:59 PM >
| | | | Well, that is my site. And yes figure it out for yourself. This forum seems to fancy itself as an urban "exploration" site for some reason. Detroit is not a playground, you want help??? hahaha.
"every time i come to this forum, i feel as if i'm swimming the seas of incompetence. it's like a zero ring circus."
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DK--
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Location: not here
another victim of the ldb
| | | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 6 on 6/1/2007 9:03 PM >
| | | | Posted by Myelin
There's a buttload of web sites in addition to that one you can use to research these buildings. Anytime I've driven through Detroit it looks like time has stood still. All these old buildings just sit there for decades. I'm sure what is on these websites today will be there next month and for many years to come. Detroit is trapped in a vacuum. Enjoy!
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Yes, a city of nearly a million people is a vacuum! you hit the nail on the head. How foolish of me to think all of the redevelopment of the last decade amounted to anything. Try exploring the Book-Cadillac, Statler, or Fort Shelby, etc and see how far you get.
"every time i come to this forum, i feel as if i'm swimming the seas of incompetence. it's like a zero ring circus."
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Myelin
Location: The End of Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 7 on 6/2/2007 12:19 AM >
| | | | Posted by DK--
Yes, a city of nearly a million people is a vacuum! you hit the nail on the head. How foolish of me to think all of the redevelopment of the last decade amounted to anything. Try exploring the Book-Cadillac, Statler, or Fort Shelby, etc and see how far you get.
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Chill out Captain Detroit.
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dixiesquare
| | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 8 on 6/2/2007 7:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by Myelin
Chill out Captain Detroit.
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I think someone may be a little jealous!!
DK is right though, truer words have not been spoken here.
It seems the art of exploring has come down to free hand outs and location databases.
"sadly alot of explorers in Chicago are 'park hipsters who take boring pictures to impress girls who smoke Parliaments and listen to Wilco." |
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/-/ooligan
Location: Las Vegas area
Gender: Male
When in danger, when in doubt, RUN IN CIRCLES, SCREAM AND SHOUT!
| | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 9 on 6/2/2007 10:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by dixiesquare
I think someone may be a little jealous!!
DK is right though, truer words have not been spoken here.
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(Writes someone whose account has only been active "here" for a month or so!)
Dave K. has a right to be a little indignant, as he does or did work for a company involved --for profit-- in the rebuilding of Detroit, including restoration of some of the huge buildings, that as another poster accurately stated, had been laying in ruins for decades, making Detroit the Mecca of UE'ing (which DK also obviously enjoys doing).
Detroit's making some progress, but much of it was fueled by talk that the Superbowl in Detroit (I think that was what, 2005?) was going to be a great catharsis for the city. It's nice to have dreams, but the reality is that the reason Detroit started going down-hill in the late 1960s & businesses & people fled the city was the overall mentality of Detroiters -- 'militant' blacks took some sort of pride in the city's elected leadership was black, starting with Mayor Coleman Young, and didn't care too much that crime was rampant, municipal services were mostly inept, etc. Many that did notice left, some stayed & fought for a while (remember Emily Gail, David?) & then left, and others were just too caught up in that dumb 'pride' thing & had no concept that most communities didn't have the scale & severity of problems Detroit did, thus, if anyone complained about Detroit, they were just being racist. Saddest of all, a sizeable portion of Detroit's population then --and now-- would love to get out of the city, but can't afford to do so.
Having said all that (& yes, I did live in downtown Detroit, & UE'd a few times with DK), clearly Detroit has been making some improvements over the past 10 years, but as someone who is familiar with the city and the stem of it's problems, any current praise for or defense of the city needs to be doled out pretty carefully. Lots of tax breaks & other concessions were used to get some of these corporations to come (back) to Detroit. That's resulted in already mediocre to sub-standard city services (including critical ones like schools, criminal justice & health-care) & infrastructure to suffer financially, and THAT has more of an impact on Detroit & Detroiters than modernizing some central business district structures for the suburbanites to come work in.
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P.S. "Come back to Detroit -- we missed you the first time!" 
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Myelin
Location: The End of Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 10 on 6/2/2007 10:41 PM >
| | | | Well Detroit is a wonderful old city with 300+ years of heritage and DK has done a wonderful job documenting many of its landmarks, but there's no need for anyone to get uptight (nor do I get the jealousy thing for that matter, that's right outta left field imho). The OP was an out-of-towner just looking for some tips. His biggest crime was that he just didn't use Google and look at any one of a dozen great sites (like Forgotten Detroit) that have all the info he needs, and then some. The OP really didn't even need to ask here in the forum and subject himself to all the pious b.s. As for the LDB, every site listed there is a feather in the membership's collective cap. I'd never use it to find a place to visit myself, but it sure is nice being able to explore places vicariously through the efforts of those who created these locations.
And yes DK, we've seen some very important buildings fall prey to the wrecking ball, and Bubba has done a thing or two in the last ten years to improve things, which is all par for the course anyway. But generally speaking Detroit is very much as I described it - a "vacuum" - you can go back there after being away for many years and familiar landmarks will be right there, sometimes housing the same businesses and establishments from years earlier. That's the great thing about Detroit. And if it wasn't that way, all that architecture that is unique to Detroit would be long gone and replaced by steel and concrete square behomeths, much like it is here in neighbouring Windsor.
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Curious_George
Location: Cambridge
Gender: Male
Straight outta New Bedlam
| | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 11 on 6/2/2007 10:52 PM >
| | | | The mid 90's according to urbanist literature is when Detroit's dystopic nature was at its peak. The days of an abandoned downtown are over. Today, its just dysfunctional and trying to recover some of its former glory.
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camerakid
Location: Detroit, MI
Gender: Female
ninja
| | | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 12 on 6/3/2007 1:44 AM >
| | | | Posted by DK--
Yes, a city of nearly a million people is a vacuum! you hit the nail on the head. How foolish of me to think all of the redevelopment of the last decade amounted to anything. Try exploring the Book-Cadillac, Statler, or Fort Shelby, etc and see how far you get.
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Try Motown/Donovan Building too.
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NIN34
Location: pittsburgh
Gender: Male
| | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 13 on 6/3/2007 7:34 PM >
| | | | detroit is full of abandonment, you just have to know where to go
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CaptOrbit
Location: Sarasota, FL or Cincinnati, OH
Gender: Male
There you are, right back in the jungle again.
| | | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 14 on 6/4/2007 11:05 PM >
| | | | Asking for handouts is always a bad idea on this site. Now I can see the problem that if you are only going to be in a city for a few hours/days you might not have time to get a good "lay of the land" much less be able to do proper scouting. What you need to do in this case is get creative, I suggest making yourself know to the members in that city, talk to them in PM, be willing to share your own information, and in general be courteous, and make yourself useful, so when the time comes the members in that city actually have a reason to want to show you around.
PS I've always thought "Forgotten Detroit" was a really cool site, I actually found it way before UER. DK, keep up the good work!
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dixiesquare
| | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 15 on 6/5/2007 1:54 PM >
| | | | Posted by CaptOrbit
Asking for handouts is always a bad idea on this site. Now I can see the problem that if you are only going to be in a city for a few hours/days you might not have time to get a good "lay of the land" much less be able to do proper scouting. What you need to do in this case is get creative, I suggest making yourself know to the members in that city, talk to them in PM, be willing to share your own information, and in general be courteous, and make yourself useful, so when the time comes the members in that city actually have a reason to want to show you around.
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This should really be put in the rookie section.
Very well said!!!
"sadly alot of explorers in Chicago are 'park hipsters who take boring pictures to impress girls who smoke Parliaments and listen to Wilco." |
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Forgotten Detroit
<Reply # 16 on 6/5/2007 2:46 PM >
| | | | I've only had the opportunity to explore Detroit for a couple days last year. Before going, I joined and posted as much as possible on forgottenmichigan.com's forums. I found the people there to be quite friendly. Ended up meeting up with a few of them when we were in town and went out exploring with them. Super nice dudes.
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