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Location: Canada
 |  | Re: Save the Riverdale Hospital
<Reply # 40 on 4/17/2007 7:27 PM >
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I don't know anything about a York U deal, but for other reasons I can't inquire further. |
I can't find the Toronto Star article I was Thinking of, but just these. That said, I'm not the least bit surprised.
http://www.ourtren...rk_land_deal.shtml
http://www.theglob...PStory/TPNational/
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Save the Riverdale Hospital
<Reply # 41 on 4/17/2007 7:35 PM >
| | | | Posted by cyn1c4l
You must have missed the part where I agree that tearing down this hospital is a bad thing. However, if converting the interior (and leaving the facade intact, akin to Irwin Toys) were the only option, then I say it's better than no option. If the management of the hospital is closing it down, then it needs to be something, not just occupying space. This is Toronto, there's 5,000,000 people in the GTA, and we all need a place to live.
But I, too, agree that the cleanup should start in the most crime-ridden areas of the city. Are we going to eliminate all ghettos? No. It is the nature of cities to have sketchy areas of town. As time progresses, these areas tend to shift around. Regent park is no Broadway, however it is gradually being cleaned up by the gentrification nazis, and I don't see that as a bad thing.
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Irwin Toys is a good re-use I think, as well as The Sears building, the Pattons factory on Roselawn and another condo a bit south/west of Lansdowne and bloor (not sure of the name).Using pre-existing structures is so important as very few buildings in the city have character. As for the elimination of ghettos -- Its a start. Developments such as regent park and the 'jungle' must have been planned by an asshat. Your almost certain to get crime when you lock so many people off in a section of the city, particularly when these people more often then not don't have work, and have no hope for change. They certainly don't have the same effect as when you lock in a bunch of middle class people into a subdivision.
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Save the Riverdale Hospital
<Reply # 42 on 4/17/2007 7:55 PM >
| | | | This discussion reminds me of an article I was reading the other day:
http://www.reason....ws/show/36489.html
As for the shortcomings of Regent Park and similar neighbourhoods built at the time in other cities, I'd say hindsight is 20/20.
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
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<Reply # 43 on 4/17/2007 8:57 PM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
as well as The Sears building, |
I agree!
* I'm wicked biased since I live there
"Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel |
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Save the Riverdale Hospital
<Reply # 44 on 4/17/2007 8:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
This discussion reminds me of an article I was reading the other day:
http://www.reason....ws/show/36489.html
As for the shortcomings of Regent Park and similar neighbourhoods built at the time in other cities, I'd say hindsight is 20/20.
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I'm not a big fan of new urbanist design principles, other than as infill in an existing neighbourhood.
20/20 indeed. I wonder what the cost would be if instead of building vast tracts of rental housing, they used the money instead to subsidize the purchasing of homes for people instead. Home ownership goes a long way to providing long-term financial and neighbourhood stability.
"Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel |
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Save the Riverdale Hospital
<Reply # 45 on 4/17/2007 9:46 PM >
| | | | Posted by yokes
I agree!
* I'm wicked biased since I live there
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Is your apartment/loft dark? It does seem like an awfully big space to divide up, just because the floor space is so big.
--Sears is the first building I ever wandered/UEr'd into!
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mortimer
Location: teronno
| | | Re: Save the Riverdale Hospital
<Reply # 46 on 4/17/2007 9:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by yokes
I agree!
* I'm wicked biased since I live there
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Me too!
*I'm wicked biased since I've been drunk while bbq'ing on that roof more times than I can count, plus it's the tallest building I've been able to successfully fly paper airplanes off of.
| I wonder what the cost would be if instead of building vast tracts of rental housing, they used the money instead to subsidize the purchasing of homes for people instead. Home ownership goes a long way to providing long-term financial and neighbourhood stability. |
You're jumping ahead a couple steps there. The money shouldn't be used to subsidize purchasing instead, rather as well as. You get people a livable home, help them get jobs, then help them purchase a home. Or set up a proper rent-to-own program.
Also small issue with something you typed earlier:
| Property owners have the right to develop their property to the maximum extent allowed by a municipality. If you want to stop them, and I think that's a terrible idea generally speaking if you want rents to stay low and property values to not sky rocket even more, you have to lobby for change at the municipal and provincial levels. Developers only do what they are allowed to do. |
As a planner or former planner, I think you would acknowledge that often (not always, or the majority of times, but frequently enough) developers do only what they think they can get away with. And property owners, until the OMB is a nasty little piece of history, have the right to develop their property to the maximum that the OMB will let them, regardless of what the municipality has to say about it.
But that's nitpicking. Back to your roof: I've hit the second-floor balcony on the building on the south side of Dundas, from the wall directly south of the party room, with a well-built paper airplane. I've also reached the green roof to the west. Can you beat that?
yep. |
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Save the Riverdale Hospital
<Reply # 47 on 4/17/2007 10:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by mortimer
Me too!
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Best building in Toronto, eh? 
You're jumping ahead a couple steps there. The money shouldn't be used to subsidize purchasing instead, rather as well as. You get people a livable home, help them get jobs, then help them purchase a home. Or set up a proper rent-to-own program.
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Fair enough. It does presuppose they make enough to afford rent, and thus a subsidized mortgage or a comparable monthly value.
| As a planner or former planner, I think you would acknowledge that often (not always, or the majority of times, but frequently enough) developers do only what they think they can get away with. And property owners, until the OMB is a nasty little piece of history, have the right to develop their property to the maximum that the OMB will let them, regardless of what the municipality has to say about it. |
From my experience, the OMB isn't as pro-developer as everyone thinks it is. The big cases where a municipality "loses" make the news and stir up the masses, but those aren't the majority of cases it sees. Without the OMB, planning/developing in Ontario would be MUCH more difficult (and expensive) from the big developers, to municipalities, down to the individual property owners (who I've successfully assisted the defence at the OMB before). It is one of the most successful appeals bodies I've worked with. The fact that anyone can appeal a decision for only $125 filing fee is remarkable.
But that's nitpicking. Back to your roof: I've hit the second-floor balcony on the building on the south side of Dundas, from the wall directly south of the party room, with a well-built paper airplane. I've also reached the green roof to the west. Can you beat that?
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I haven't tried... but boy am I going to now (just as soon as the wind dies down!)
I have a west view, so I'll have to look for stray airplanes.
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