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 White Rabbit
   
Women's Advocate
Location: Missouri
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 |  |  | DSLR with live LCD preview?
< on 2/9/2007 5:54 PM >
|  | | | I was Googling this, but decided I could probably get a quicker answer from you guys.
Is Olympus still the only maker with a DSLR that offers live preview? If so, are there any Canon DSLR's planned to have live preview?
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mortimer
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| | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 1 on 2/9/2007 5:56 PM >
| | | | I'm pretty sure they are. If you don't mind my asking, why would you want it? Sorry, I've never shot with one before, but I just don't understand the attraction.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 2 on 2/9/2007 5:58 PM >
| | | | You mean LCD viewfinder? Unlikely you'll see a preview; what would be the point?
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| | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 3 on 2/9/2007 6:15 PM >
| | | | ... I thought DSLR's couldn't have live preview, being mirrors and shutters and all. It's a feature I've only seen on DSLR-like cameras, ones that fake a shutter sound with a .wav file.
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micro
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| | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 4 on 2/9/2007 6:34 PM >
| | | | I've seen a couple out there on the market.
http://maxmax.com/Zigview.htm is one of them.
I think something like this probably has limited use. It might come in handy for low-angle work, but even that seems a bit questionable.
Edit: Sorry, didn't read the initial post properly. Duh.
[last edit 2/9/2007 8:52 PM by micro - edited 1 times]
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Washu
Location: Ottawa
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| |  |  | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 5 on 2/9/2007 6:38 PM >
| | | | The Olympus DSLRs that have live preview do it in a rather hacked way. They do it it two ways that the user can select:
1) A second sensor in the viewfinder which is routed to the LCD. Good: Gives a live preview without blocking the viewfinder. Bad: Not a great representative of the final image (focus / DOF / etc).
2) Swinging the mirror up and using the main sensor. Good: Very good representation of the final image. Bad: Delay on taking shots (mirror has to swing twice), no real time AF or metering, blocks the viewfinder.
It's pretty much impossible to have a proper live preview on a DSLR without it ceasing to be a DSLR. Even using a pelical mirror has major disadvantages: You loose about 1/3 to 2/3 of a stop and your viewfinder is dim.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 6 on 2/9/2007 7:10 PM >
| | | | My Sony F828 had it, but W. Rabbit knows as I do, it's got issues. One problem is LCDs that small don't have the resolution necessary for a good focus check.
A full frame like the 5D with a fast lense on it is as good as it gets for DSLRs. It's noticeably better then the 20D's viewfinder image.
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Washu
Location: Ottawa
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| | | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 7 on 2/9/2007 8:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
My Sony F828 had it, but W. Rabbit knows as I do, it's got issues. One problem is LCDs that small don't have the resolution necessary for a good focus check.
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The F828 is not an SLR, so a live preview / lcd viewfinder on it is not something special.
A full frame like the 5D with a fast lense on it is as good as it gets for DSLRs. It's noticeably better then the 20D's viewfinder image.
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Not quite as good as it gets. The 1 series Canons have 100% frame coverage, the 5D only has 96%.
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NickSan
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| | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 9 on 2/9/2007 9:06 PM >
| | | | Live LCD's suck power....fast
Just one more thing to kill the battery
And what is the point on a DSLR?
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White Rabbit
Women's Advocate
Location: Missouri
Gender: Male
| | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 10 on 2/9/2007 9:20 PM >
| | | | Well... I could see the use for it. Even if I had a DSLR, sometimes I would just want to point and shoot. For us non-shutterbug types like myself, it would be nice to have that safety net for when we don't feel like taking bad pictures.
Anyway, I knew Olympus had one. I was hoping maybe you guys would tell me Canon was coming with one. The lack of one won't stop me from getting a DSLR eventually, but it's a feature I would like to have anyway.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 11 on 2/9/2007 9:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by Washu
The F828 is not an SLR, so a live preview / lcd viewfinder on it is not something special.
Not quite as good as it gets. The 1 series Canons have 100% frame coverage, the 5D only has 96%.
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Close enough to get the point. The F828 had a EVF as well. Wanna shoot 1 series? I don't.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 12 on 2/9/2007 9:40 PM >
| | | | Posted by White Rabbit
Well... I could see the use for it. Even if I had a DSLR, sometimes I would just want to point and shoot. For us non-shutterbug types like myself, it would be nice to have that safety net for when we don't feel like taking bad pictures.
Anyway, I knew Olympus had one. I was hoping maybe you guys would tell me Canon was coming with one. The lack of one won't stop me from getting a DSLR eventually, but it's a feature I would like to have anyway.
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With a 30 or 5D you'll want to shot RAWs not Jpegs. If the exposure or white balance is off, it won't matter. Canon DPP makes RAW adjustments easy, and it's non-destructive.
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DevilC
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| | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 13 on 2/9/2007 10:25 PM >
| | | | I reccomend against this feature.
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
| | | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 14 on 2/9/2007 10:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by White Rabbit
Well... I could see the use for it. Even if I had a DSLR, sometimes I would just want to point and shoot. For us non-shutterbug types like myself, it would be nice to have that safety net for when we don't feel like taking bad pictures.
Anyway, I knew Olympus had one. I was hoping maybe you guys would tell me Canon was coming with one. The lack of one won't stop me from getting a DSLR eventually, but it's a feature I would like to have anyway.
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You don't need it. It's totally unnecessary. The viewfinder is much better in every way. I don't understand why you would see it as a safety net.
Canon won't be coming out with this feature, because it has limited appeal.
[last edit 2/9/2007 10:51 PM by desmet - edited 1 times]
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
| | | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 15 on 2/9/2007 10:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Wanna shoot 1 series? I don't.
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Uh....I do.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 16 on 2/9/2007 11:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by desmet
Uh....I do.
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Well, maybe I do.
Just don't want to pay for it, or lug it around.
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White Rabbit
Women's Advocate
Location: Missouri
Gender: Male
| | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 17 on 2/9/2007 11:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by desmet
You don't need it. It's totally unnecessary. The viewfinder is much better in every way. I don't understand why you would see it as a safety net.
Canon won't be coming out with this feature, because it has limited appeal.
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Well, yeah, you don't really, I guess. But it'd still be nice to have if you ever just wanted to shoot from the hip while walking through a place or something. I'm going to get a DSLR whether Canon ever makes one like that or not, but I would like to have it.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 18 on 2/10/2007 12:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by White Rabbit
Well, yeah, you don't really, I guess. But it'd still be nice to have if you ever just wanted to shoot from the hip while walking through a place or something. I'm going to get a DSLR whether Canon ever makes one like that or not, but I would like to have it.
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If you want to shot like you did with the Sony, you could get on of these:
http://www.argraph.../Zigview_page1.htm
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
| | | | Re: DSLR with live LCD preview?
<Reply # 19 on 2/10/2007 1:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Well, maybe I do.
Just don't want to pay for it, or lug it around.
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Yea paying for it no doubt.
As for lugging it around...whats anotehr couple pounds! My legs are already sore from all the shit i carry anyway. 
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