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 greyeyeblindmind
 
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
 |  | Echangeur Turcot's fate
< on 1/14/2007 8:20 PM >
|  | | | This post is addressed to all users and concerns a subject that is linked but not restricted to urban exploration: following a research by a reporter from radio-canada, it has been revealed that the government (ministry of transport) is planning to bring the Échangeur Turcot down.This, according to the ministry of transport, is justify by the current state of the échangeur and the cost of overall repairs vs. that of demolition and reconstruction.
It would be interesting to have the members' opinion or reaction on the issue of demolition vs. repair, the ensuing decision of the government and the future of the échangeur.
Cette discussion s'adresse à tous les membres intéressés et concerne l'exploration urbaine, mais sans y être restreinte: à la suite de l'enquête d'un reporter de radio-canada, il a été révélé que le gouvernement prévoit la destruction de l'Échangeur Turcot. Ceci, selon le ministère concerné (transport), s'explique par l'état actuel de l'échangeur et par le coût de la démolition et de la reconstruction par rapport en ce qu'il en coûterait de remettre l'échangeur à neuf.
Il serait intéressant de connaître l'opinion des membres du forum quand à ce sujet, à la décision du ministère et quand au futur de l'Échangeur Turcot en général.
[last edit 1/14/2007 8:23 PM by greyeyeblindmind - edited 1 times]
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Charlie_Dunver
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 1 on 1/15/2007 2:41 AM >
|  | | | It s no secret what the plans are, both options have been public knowledge for a few years now.
The basic argument for a new version is that it would be on landfill and therefore easier/cheaper to maintain in the long run. Renovations apparently would only be good for 15 years - go figure that one out!
The biggest problem with either option is how on earth can they keep traffic flowing while the work is being done?
The one great advantage of the Turcot site is that there is room to make some temporary routes for the construction period, but how much things will be slowed down, and they will be slowed down, remains to be seen.
It seems like a hell of a lot of money (A billion for new, half a billion for renovated, and thats only a very optimistic potential budget) to be spending without mentioning a beltway around Montreal. We would be shooting ourselves in both feet if we spend that much and still have the same amount of truck traffic we currently see.
Personally I would like to see the Turcot Interchange renovated under a huge campaign on responsible use of fossil fuel burning vehicles that includes alternative modes of transit, transportation, energy, etc. I would love to see the Turcot Yards and the Falaise Saint Jacques integrated into a world class public space!
I would also love to live to see Peace in The Middle East.
CD
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maZe
     
Location: Montreal/Moncton/Ottawa
Gender: Female
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| |  | | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 2 on 1/15/2007 4:01 AM >
| | | | I want dream of seeing every road in Mtl being renovated while including a middle lane for LRT (tram). This way, more people would take public transit cause they would work better and the network would be bigger and less people would take their cars.
[last edit 1/15/2007 4:01 AM by maZe - edited 1 times]
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nostra-YOUPPI!
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| | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 3 on 1/15/2007 4:37 AM >
| | | | the turcot interchange is an interesting animal. of all of montreals interchanges from a traffic flow point of view its one of the most efficient, take for example the decarie interchange or the l'acadie one and you will agree. it is quebecs only 5 decker. as far as replacing it with land fill i would hate to see the cost of the expropriations that that would take, if you look at the areas both north and south of the railway ROW you see how close some private properties actually come to it. Being elevated permitted it to allow development right up close. The other thing is if they do build on land fill, there will be some pretty large mounds so they can reach the decarie trench and have it meet up with the 15 south.
another interesting tidbit, as it was one of the earlier quebec interchanges there were a lot of things that have improved since in terms of design. From what i have seen the VSP interchange predates the turcot one by about 5-6 years, it has been improved over the years, like the turcot. The turcots biggest flaw at the time it was built was lighting, integrated into the guardrails, snow killed that one, then they had drainage running THROUGH the concrete girders instead of in pipes, water freezes.
whatever is done the interchange should be improved for the better not the worse as was the case of the lacadie interchange
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| | | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 4 on 1/15/2007 5:01 AM >
| | | | De L'acadie is a nighmare, not only because of the traffic, you have about 1/2 sec to understand if you are in the good lane for your destination. I often see people ( and myself too) doing a long détour because they couldn't switch lane at last second. The st-laurent/st-denis exit is packed every rush hour.
I heard it would be more expensive to repair Turcot than built a new one. The height could now be lower and patching dinosaur is not going to save it and prevent the whole thing from fall apart in the future.
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sebastian
Location: muthafuckin'downtown 514
| | | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 5 on 1/17/2007 3:49 PM >
| | | | The echangeur Turcot is a retarded system from another era. I am not at all surprised they want to tear it down and start from scratch, instead of patching like we always do in this province.
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nostra-YOUPPI!
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| | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 6 on 1/17/2007 4:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by sebastian
The echangeur Turcot is a retarded system from another era. I am not at all surprised they want to tear it down and start from scratch, instead of patching like we always do in this province.
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more like avant garde for its time from a traffic flow perspective, yes some of the merge lanes could be a little longer but it works. you always have plenty of time to see an exit comming up and left handed merges are near non exhistant. one thing though, it was designed with the 520 being completed in mind as the main road through is highway 15 leading to the 520
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Charlie_Dunver
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 7 on 1/17/2007 5:47 PM >
| | | | It would be interesting to know what most people think a "good" interchange is. Turcot was built around the same time as the Metro and Expo so it didn't get the attention it deserved, though it was a great source of pride for Quebec engineers.And keep in mind that a lot of the expressway system downtown was only begun at that point. Turcot has served it s purpose very well.
There is one fact at the heart of the whole "improving flow" traffic concept. The more you "improve" the system the more people are going to use/buy cars to commute. A brand new Turcot would only improve traffic for someone commuting daily from the West Island to downtown by about 30 seconds, maximum. Downtown is not going to become suddenly void of vehicles because there is a "better" interchange nearby. If anything, it will help make downtown even more congested. The engineers know that, the politicians know that. But they will go ahead with outdated concepts because you cannot legislate human behavior. What s the point of trying alternatives when you know the bottom line for almost all users is how can I get there faster without being stuck in traffic?
Take the train, lol.
CD
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sebastian
Location: muthafuckin'downtown 514
| | | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 8 on 1/17/2007 6:39 PM >
| | | | I'm in a pretty bad situation to talk in fact LOL. I dont have a car, I won't probably have one soon, I use my bike, I walk, I use the subway and a cab when I really have to. So the traffic is something outside my world that makes me laugh more than anything else.
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nostra-YOUPPI!
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Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec
Bonsoir et cest partie
| | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 9 on 1/17/2007 7:00 PM >
| | | | Posted by sebastian
I'm in a pretty bad situation to talk in fact LOL. I dont have a car, I won't probably have one soon, I use my bike, I walk, I use the subway and a cab when I really have to. So the traffic is something outside my world that makes me laugh more than anything else.
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yeah i know, i work 20 minutes from home and there is no bus between home and work so i drive, i no longer have to fight the bridges. Traffic has once again become foreign to me.
Charlie, the turcot interchange has one thing that impresses me, in all its complexity it is incredibly simple to navigate. I dont know anyone who has had a white knuckle ride through it. There are interchanges around the city that you take that are newer and you ask yourself "what the hell were they thinking" case in point the 13/20 interchange, traffic lights, 90 degree turns and falling concrete combine to make a fun and exciting ride, then the fun of having 3 lanes on the 20 and 2 lanes from the 13 merge sloppily to the east of the whole deal. Then there is the 40 in hudson, lets build a sharp curve but not bank it?? whats up with that. The absolute worst i can say though is in quebec city just north of the pierre laporte bridge, i wonder if they government in power when it was built had stock in a concrete company, the entire area is filled with offramps and merge lanes that all seem to go to the same place! Once again, the turcot may be an eyesore and its not in good shape at allbut for sheer fluidity of traffic from a functional standpoint its probably one of the best in the province.
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robertpull
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
| | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 10 on 1/17/2007 7:28 PM >
| | | | Same here, I don't have a car and not planning to have one anytime soon. I walk, take the subway and bus, or take a taxi when I'm in an urgent situation.
Anyone living and working in Montreal can live very well without a car.
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tijeff
 
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
| | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 11 on 1/18/2007 3:39 AM >
| | | | Posted by greyeyeblindmind
It would be interesting to have the members' opinion or reaction on the issue of demolition vs. repair,
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I don't give a ?%$"/
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cjb
Location: Sept-îles/Saint-John's/Corner Brooks/Montréal/Sydney
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 12 on 1/18/2007 1:16 PM >
| | | | I think I like the Turcot interchange, it is so massive and impressive, I'm sure if we demolish it, 50 years from now we will regret having lost such a "great piece of architecture".
Or maybe it's my vision of what's beautiful that's twisted  .
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nostra-YOUPPI!
Umpire
Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec
Bonsoir et cest partie
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<Reply # 13 on 1/18/2007 1:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by cjb
I think I like the Turcot interchange, it is so massive and impressive, I'm sure if we demolish it, 50 years from now we will regret having lost such a "great piece of architecture".
Or maybe it's my vision of what's beautiful that's twisted .
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seriously cjb, when you think that cities are still building 5 deckers around the world and we are thinking of tearing ours down. Ours was a pioneer
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Charlie_Dunver
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 14 on 1/19/2007 3:01 AM >
| | | | For sure. There is just something unique and wonderful about the Turcot Interchange that maybe only an urban explorer could appreciate-- I mean I know I have not "celebrated" tons of poured concrete too often in my life, but this place really rocks in a very unique way!
CD
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maZe
Location: Montreal/Moncton/Ottawa
Gender: Female
"All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed" - Sean O'Casey
| | | | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 15 on 1/19/2007 4:09 AM >
| | | | Posted by cjb
I think I like the Turcot interchange, it is so massive and impressive, I'm sure if we demolish it, 50 years from now we will regret having lost such a "great piece of architecture".
Or maybe it's my vision of what's beautiful that's twisted .
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I would be damned if this big piece of urban furniture is still standing without MAJOR repairs and improvements in 50 years from now... It's ALREADY falling into pieces down below - litterally.
I'm sure Radio-Canada & other great medias already have a news report ready to go so they just have to push play when a big chunk will fall down.
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| | | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 16 on 1/19/2007 4:29 AM >
| | | | Posted by maZe
I would be damned if this big piece of urban furniture is still standing without MAJOR repairs and improvements in 50 years from now... It's ALREADY falling into pieces down below - litterally.
I'm sure Radio-Canada & other great medias already have a news report ready to go so they just have to push play when a big chunk will fall down.
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Just like they have the "cold meat" reportage casettes ready for important personalities.
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maZe
Location: Montreal/Moncton/Ottawa
Gender: Female
"All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed" - Sean O'Casey
| | | | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 17 on 1/19/2007 1:59 PM >
| | | | Of course, but that's not a personality, that's the irony. Turcot is "supposed" to be safe by our national standards. It's not supposed to collapse at any minute without notice!!!
It's like when a big chunk of the Stadium came crashing down. Stadium is not abandoned, it's not supposed to fall to the ground without notice...
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| | Re: Echangeur Turcot's fate
<Reply # 18 on 1/19/2007 2:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by maZe
Of course, but that's not a personality, that's the irony. Turcot is "supposed" to be safe by our national standards. It's not supposed to collapse at any minute without notice!!!
It's like when a big chunk of the Stadium came crashing down. Stadium is not abandoned, it's not supposed to fall to the ground without notice...
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speaking of the stadium? did anyone see mercer this week , he spoofed an ad about deuling stadia. Bc Place vs olympic stadium.
The funny thing about olympic stadium is its bad name has come from multiple completely unrelated incidents that come from multiple incompetant parties. The first roof tearing was an engineering error, the beam falling was a construction cheap out the second roof tearing was birdair trying to rip us off.
as far as the turcot interchange goes, i agree it needs major work, they dont build highway overpasses anymore out of poured concrete. they build them today out of pre stressed concrete. The area over the lachine canal south of the interchange is pre stressed and was re built in 1994. Most of the recent work on the turcot interchange has been purely stuff visible to drivers. IN the early 90s they replaced the guardrails and lamp posts as well as re decking. to the east of the interchange the elevated 520 was completely re built in 1998-1999.
as far as "urban appliances" go the scariest one of them all is the provincial portion of the mercier bridge southbound. the northbound span was re decked and had many structural steel parts replaced in 1999, the southbound side, un modified since its construction in the 30s has major corrosion problems and you can see where the MTQ has added steel to shore up some girders. The federal part is bad as well but supposedly not as far gone, mostly because of its young age im guessing (1950s). I have friends who know iron workers who have worked on the mercier in the past and will not cross it at rush hour.
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