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 Ryzom
Location: Piedmont, CA
Gender: Male
 |  |  | Lockpicking I need advice
< on 12/3/2003 3:27 AM >
|  | | | Ok, first of all I have just been lockpicking for about a month now, and I can normally get most locks if I was given all the time in the world. (sometimes I get lucky sometimes it takes me several minutes).
Anyway I am posting because there are always those that I can't do but I KNOW they are doable because you can call most locksmiths up and say "i can't get into my apartment please come over" (im sure its a little more detailed than that but for the sake of time...) And they pop right over and 15 seconds they have it picked and what not.
I am practicing on master locks all the chances I get, and I just got a new one which I can't do for the life of me, I have been trying off and on for a while now and I am having no luck.
It feels as if one of the pins is stuck, and when I loosen the tension it goes up but I still can't hear it click and then I end up pushing it so the bottom pin gets stuck in between the plug and the hull casing (the part that turns)
I either need a book, site, or someone to tell me how to approach something like this. I am applying almost no pressure and I have done other master locks.
Thank you!
p.s.
I believe what more specificall is happening, is when I am feeling out the pins to line up the top pins with the shear line, when I put tension on the tension wrench, it turns the plug but then doesn't leave enough space to fit it through the chamber that the pins rest in.
[last edit 12/3/2003 3:56 AM by Ryzom - edited 1 times]
"They're dead, and you're going to be next." |
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Ryzom
Location: Piedmont, CA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 2 on 12/3/2003 5:06 AM >
| | | | well if there was an around I would prolly take it if I couldn't pick the lock, but I am speaking purely from a "i WANT to pick it" standpoint
"They're dead, and you're going to be next." |
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 3 on 12/3/2003 6:08 AM >
| | | | Why do we always have to talk about lockpicking here? Lockpicking is bad. Argue if you must, but I highly dislike all the discussion of lockpicking.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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tick
Location: Abingdon, VA
Gender: Male
| | |  | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 4 on 12/3/2003 2:45 PM >
|  | | | Now, I'm no expert, but...
I assume you've seen the MIT Guide to Lockpicking (http://www.lysator.liu.se/mit-guide/mit-guide.html)... I really don't know of any websites better than that. You say you're applying almost no pressure on the torque wrench, that rules out my first guess as to the problem. If you're trying to set the pins one-by-one, are you setting the back or front pin first? I know some locks can be picked front-to-back but not back-to-front, and vice versa. so changing directions may work. Have you been able to pick the lock by scrubbing? Scrubbing the pins always seems towork better for me...
Posted by Krazy
Why do we always have to talk about lockpicking here? Lockpicking is bad. Argue if you must, but I highly dislike all the discussion of lockpicking.
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Ok, lets talk about cutting locks off instead. Seriously, picking locks isn't destructive, and doesn't leave evidence, so why's it so bad? Yeah, there's the issue of getting caught with B&E tools, but it's really up to the individual explorer to decided if the risks are worth it (I've never carried picks while exploring). I just don't see what the problem is.
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 5 on 12/3/2003 4:40 PM >
| | | | It's more the rise it gets out of authorities. If they see that people just go in through holes in walls or find open doors and windows, they are a little leery, but not too worried. When they see that a bunch of people (when it gets discussed too much, it appears to a noob member that it is the talk of the town) are discussing the best ways to defeat locks, even non destructively, they get very worried. If these mystery trespassing people can't be stopped by locks, then what is to contain them? Security could be beefed up, doors welded shut (pick that, biatch), and other undesirable measures. I just don't want to be associated with lockpicks.
I can't make you not pick, but please use some discretion and avoid discussing it here.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 6 on 12/3/2003 5:01 PM >
|  | | | The best place to ask lock picking questions is http://www.lockpicking101.com/index.php
[last edit 12/3/2003 6:32 PM by Jester - edited 2 times]
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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trynocorn
| | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 7 on 12/3/2003 6:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krazy
Why do we always have to talk about lockpicking here? Lockpicking is bad. Argue if you must, but I highly dislike all the discussion of lockpicking.
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I remember reading a post someone said that went along the lines of
"Can't you people just answer a question without immediatly turning it into an ethical debate?"
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The Lost Flock
Location: Montreal, QC
Gender: Male
baaah.
| |  | | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 8 on 12/3/2003 9:47 PM >
| | | | You want to ask questions about lockpicking go to a lockpicking forum, you want to ask questions about how lockpicking relates to UE feel free to start a discussion here.
I see no reason for people to be asking so many technical questions about lockpicking at a Forum that has no particular relevance to the subject.
-The Lost Flock
The Lost Flock is finding it's way.
Scaffolding is like monkey bars for adults. |
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lago1
Location: the 'Go
| | | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 9 on 12/5/2003 4:04 PM >
| | | | Posted by LostFlock
I see no reason for people to be asking so many technical questions about lockpicking at a Forum that has no particular relevance to the subject.
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Uh, for the same reason they feel they have the right to ask about flashlights, camo, or cameras here instead of searching out individual flashlight, camo, or camera forums where most people will not have the unique experience of applying said technologies to UE. That is the key.
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The Lost Flock
Location: Montreal, QC
Gender: Male
baaah.
| | | | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 10 on 12/5/2003 7:51 PM >
| | | | Lockpicking is the same no matter where you applt it. UE doesn't put any amazing new Spin on it or anything. Just go to any old Forum about breaking and enterting and I'm sure they would let you know all about how to use lockpicking in similar situations.
-The Lost Flock
The Lost Flock is finding it's way.
Scaffolding is like monkey bars for adults. |
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'Dukes
  
Noble Donor
Gender: Male
At least someone llikes me
| | | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 11 on 12/6/2003 5:29 AM >
| | | | I can understand the rush of defeating a lock, which I have never done, but only understand it because I've felt the same rush when finding another way in. Listen, if it's locked, someone still cares about it.
Most posted signs are liability warnings. A lock equals "keep out and we mean it".
The fun part is when you've been there and noone has a clue.
I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. |
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Ben
Noble Donor
Location: Mojave Desert
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 12 on 12/6/2003 5:39 AM >
| | | | Posted by tonydukes
I can understand the rush of defeating a lock, which I have never done, but only understand it because I've felt the same rush when finding another way in. Listen, if it's locked, someone still cares about it. |
Or they locked it on their way out, and have been lucky enough that no one has broken in.
| The fun part is when you've been there and noone has a clue. |
Good description of the utility of lock picking.
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vap0r
Location: all over the place
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 13 on 12/6/2003 8:22 AM >
| | | | this isn't a lockpicking forum.
here is a lockpicking forum, ask them.
http://www.lockpicking101.com/
I live everywhere, watch you back, i might even be living with you right now.
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masher
Gender: Male
would you like me to mash your potatos for you?
| | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 14 on 12/9/2003 3:24 PM >
| | | | some locks you can hit the bottem and it will open but this may damige the lock but maybe not.
maker of most useless thread |
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HauntedPA
Location: Anywhere and Everywhere
Gender: Female
What do you mean the rum is gone?!
| | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 15 on 12/9/2003 4:23 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krazy
Why do we always have to talk about lockpicking here? Lockpicking is bad. Argue if you must, but I highly dislike all the discussion of lockpicking.
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I definately have to agree with you here on this. It's just a bad idea. Caught "breaking into" a location and having lock picking tools on your person, no matter what form they may take, is just not a good idea. It should be avoided at all costs. Be creative...find another way
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RadEd
| | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 16 on 12/9/2003 8:45 PM >
| | | | I'm not arguing with anybody, but you know it's really easy to loose lockpicks (especialy ghetto-loking home made ones) so if you're aware of them, its not like you're going to get caught.
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Caenos
Location: Winnipeg, Mb
Gender: Male
| | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 17 on 12/10/2003 3:59 AM >
| | | | Posted by masher
some locks you can hit the bottem and it will open but this may damige the lock but maybe not.
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The hell do you mean 'maybe not'... you are SMASHING the bottom of the freaking lock....
Of course.... nobody even mentions padlock shims.
I wonder whats behind THAT door? |
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HauntedPA
Location: Anywhere and Everywhere
Gender: Female
What do you mean the rum is gone?!
| | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 18 on 12/10/2003 5:48 AM >
| | | | Posted by Caenos
Posted by masher
some locks you can hit the bottem and it will open but this may damige the lock but maybe not.
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The hell do you mean 'maybe not'... you are SMASHING the bottom of the freaking lock....
Of course.... nobody even mentions padlock shims.
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See this is the kind of thing that leads to places being boarded up or secured even more so. A definitive sign that someone has tried to/succesfully gotten into the building. All in all BAD.
I'm still against this whole breaking locks off and/or lockpicking idea. I mean why not go all the way and use small explosives?!
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Asylunt
Location: MPLS
Gender: Male
The Friendly Beer!
| | | | Re: Lockpicking I need advice
<Reply # 19 on 12/10/2003 7:13 AM >
| | | | YEah we've had this lockpicking discussion numerous times and it usually ends in flaming, best course of action, just ignore the thread it gets pushed to the bottom rather quickly, well if guys like me don't bump it.
Asylunt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." Mark Twain |
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