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1 2 3   UER Forum > Archived US: Southeast > Camp Krome? (Viewed 3571 times) nomeus  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: FLA Gender: Male www.FLURBEX.com  |  |  |  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 20 on 6/26/2007 6:03 AM >   Posted by dropthemedicine Hey, I'm new. I tried to go here 2 weekends ago, and saw a bunch of flashlights and heard paint balls guns, so we decided not to bother, as I didn't want to get paint on my new d40...will have to try again... with so many other, way better sites in your area, why waste your time on that shit hole? www.terraincognito.com mogwai  Location: Miami, Florida Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 21 on 6/26/2007 11:52 AM >   Posted by nomeus with so many other, way better sites in your area, why waste your time on that shit hole? Isn't it obvious? To play paintball of course! lol The whole place is completely trashed. It gets worse every time I go there. I keep finding new holes in the walls. mogwai  Location: Miami, Florida Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 22 on 6/26/2007 11:57 AM >   Posted by /-/ooligan It's the old CIA site -- very higly classified back in the day, involved in sending/receiving radio transmissions to operatives in the Caribbean & S. America. Even more sensitive, a 'black' mobile command center was stored there in a warehouse type structure in the back, and would move out of the area during a nuclear crisis. What's the URL for your Flickr page?? /-/ooligan Hey, I just saw your post now. It's my home page on here. RobTech  Location: 'da 305 Gender: Male 20 Year's, and still looking ...  |  |  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 23 on 6/26/2007 12:04 PM >   I was there 10 years ago and it was trashed then, haven't been back since. Home of Florida's Explorers Flurbex.com dropthemedicine  Location: Florida Gender: Male  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 24 on 6/26/2007 3:13 PM >   well I just heard of it from a friend, so I looked it up online, and checked it out. I didn't know it was a shit hole...and I still don't... There is no destination but with a goal in mind we can all be realistic and demand the impossible. illbilly   |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 25 on 8/4/2007 5:02 AM >   There are no known directly controlled CIA facilities in South Florida, in fact the CIA supposedly is not allowed to operate facilities inside the US. As far as military sites in south florida, the only ones i know of ever being here are: Nike Missile Sites, Homestead Air Force base facilities, Navy Bullseye listening station, Rocket building facilities. The CIA supposedly backed Cuban Rebels training in the Everglades to invade Cuba, but they had no 'facilities' of their own. So i dunno where you got all this CIA hoopla from Hooligan. Heres the background on the Krome Avenue site, taken from Miamigraffiti.com, and coroborated by my own studies.... they also have some background on other notable abandoned sites around the area.... most of which are gone: It was constructed by the Army in early 1965 in response to the Cuban Missile Crisis and was the Integrated Fire Control(IFC) Facility for the Nike Missile site titled HM-95 D/2/52. No, it was not an Insane Asylum. These Nike sites were split into two locations. One was the radar communications and control facility(IFC), where they did targeting and fire control, and the other was the Launcher area(L), with the actual missile silos. The Launcher area was located where what is now the Krome INS Facility. All the Nike Missile sites in South Florida were shut down and decommissioned in June 1979 and the site was most likely abandoned and partially dismantled at that point. In 1980 the site was revived and apparently was used in some capacity during the Mariel Boatlift to house immigrants, but eventually became unused again after the focus shifted to the INS Krome facility. It subsequently became a penit that got popular in the early 2000's after the demolition of the Hialeah, Malibu, and Airport Penits. A majority of the building is in a barracks style, with many small rooms off a main hallyway, with several large rooms on the northwest side of the structures. The open fields to the north and west of the building originally held large radio towers for scanning for incoming planes/missiles. It is frequently visited by paintballers, the police, and paranormal nuts who falsely beleive it is an insane asylum. -peace /-/ooligan  Location: Las Vegas area Gender: Male When in danger, when in doubt, RUN IN CIRCLES, SCREAM AND SHOUT!  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 26 on 8/4/2007 5:19 AM >   Posted by illbilly There are no known directly controlled CIA facilities in South Florida, in fact the CIA supposedly is not allowed to operate facilities inside the US. As far as military sites in south florida, the only ones i know of ever being here are: Nike Missile Sites, Homestead Air Force base facilities, Navy Bullseye listening station, Rocket building facilities. The CIA supposedly backed Cuban Rebels training in the Everglades to invade Cuba, but they had no 'facilities' of their own. So i dunno where you got all this CIA hoopla from Hooligan. Heres the background on the Krome Avenue site, taken from Miamigraffiti.com, and coroborated by my own studies.... they also have some background on other notable abandoned sites around the area.... most of which are gone: It was constructed by the Army in early 1965 in response to the Cuban Missile Crisis and was the Integrated Fire Control(IFC) Facility for the Nike Missile site titled HM-95 D/2/52. No, it was not an Insane Asylum. These Nike sites were split into two locations. One was the radar communications and control facility(IFC), where they did targeting and fire control, and the other was the Launcher area(L), with the actual missile silos. The Launcher area was located where what is now the Krome INS Facility. All the Nike Missile sites in South Florida were shut down and decommissioned in June 1979 and the site was most likely abandoned and partially dismantled at that point. In 1980 the site was revived and apparently was used in some capacity during the Mariel Boatlift to house immigrants, but eventually became unused again after the focus shifted to the INS Krome facility. It subsequently became a penit that got popular in the early 2000's after the demolition of the Hialeah, Malibu, and Airport Penits. A majority of the building is in a barracks style, with many small rooms off a main hallyway, with several large rooms on the northwest side of the structures. The open fields to the north and west of the building originally held large radio towers for scanning for incoming planes/missiles. It is frequently visited by paintballers, the police, and paranormal nuts who falsely beleive it is an insane asylum. -peace There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. /-/ooligan  Location: Las Vegas area Gender: Male When in danger, when in doubt, RUN IN CIRCLES, SCREAM AND SHOUT!  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 27 on 8/4/2007 5:23 AM >   Posted by illbilly There are no known directly controlled CIA facilities in South Florida, in fact the CIA supposedly is not allowed to operate facilities inside the US. As far as military sites in south florida, the only ones i know of ever being here are: Nike Missile Sites, Homestead Air Force base facilities, Navy Bullseye listening station, Rocket building facilities. The CIA supposedly backed Cuban Rebels training in the Everglades to invade Cuba, but they had no 'facilities' of their own. So i dunno where you got all this CIA hoopla from Hooligan. The one thing you're right about is that you don't know where I got my info from. Everything else, you're abysmally, embarrassingly wrong about, but by all means, keep using some graffiti-related web page as your primary source of info! /-/oolie There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. mogwai  Location: Miami, Florida Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 28 on 8/6/2007 3:07 AM >   Posted by /-/ooligan The one thing you're right about is that you don't know where I got my info from. Everything else, you're abysmally, embarrassingly wrong about, but by all means, keep using some graffiti-related web page as your primary source of info! /-/oolie Actually a lot of what he wrote about the place I read from other sources (I've not been to the graffiti site he has mentioned). I also know of the other places he is referring to. What source do you have that conflicts with what he says about 'HM-95c'? /-/ooligan  Location: Las Vegas area Gender: Male When in danger, when in doubt, RUN IN CIRCLES, SCREAM AND SHOUT!  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 29 on 8/7/2007 8:14 AM >   Posted by mogwai Actually a lot of what he wrote about the place I read from other sources (I've not been to the graffiti site he has mentioned). I also know of the other places he is referring to. What source do you have that conflicts with what he says about 'HM-95c'? Yes, it was HM-95C. I think my original post here made mention of that too. But then in the 1980s & until it was trashed by Hurricane Andrew, it was a CIA Office of Communications 'Regional Relay Facility' high frequency radio transmitter site which had callsign KKN39 (not that it used it much). The HF receive site & a larger Agency facility was located on the grounds of the former Naval Air Station Richmond. Both sites had signs indicating they were "US Army Regional Communications Activity - NCS" stations, which was a rather feeble Agency cover-story. After Hurricane Andrew, the Agency stripped the place & moved out, but a USAF sign went up (probably the Joint Communications Support Element, mostly operated by the Air National Guard), but the USAF sign came down shortly thereafter, the place was abandoned & quickly 'taken over' by paintballers & graffiti punks. There was a Nike HM-95C memorial plaque on a rock in front of the place, but it was removed, probably as a souvenir by a punk or for scrap-metal value by some bum. It really doesn't require to much "research" for anyone to doubt my original comments to find the validity in them, and for that one foolish guy to call my info "hoopla" indicates that his version of 'research' differs greatly from mine, especially when he goes on to claim that the CIA isn't allowed to have facilities in the US. /-/oolie There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. illbilly   |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 30 on 8/9/2007 6:57 AM >   Hmmm, in my defense... i called it hoopla because whenever i see people throwing around information about secret CIA sites and black command vehicles, regarding places ive researched directly myself... and not supporting their claims with any sources.... i get very skeptical. We all know how 'dramatic' stories about abandoned facilities get spread around. (The Krome Insane Asylum!!). In your original post you said it was either a Nike site or this "CIA Site".. then you went on to say it was the CIA site.... So i felt the need to reaffirm that site was first and foremost a Nike Missile site. In my research i've never read any mention of usage of the facility after 1980. The supposed last use was during Mariel when it was used to house spillover immigrants from the Krome INS facility. All the Nike sites in South Florida were property of the Army, and the Carol City and Krome sites still seem to be under their control. The Krome site is listed as "DOD Communications Facility" on maps still. (Army is under DoD, but not the CIA). The Army still conducts training activities at the Carol City Launcher site... and signage at both sites indicates army control. I'm curious where you got your info that the site was active after 1980 in a capacity? You speak of research, but i'm very curious to see some stuff directly to read myself, as we obviously both have similar interests. Ultimately I dont have any direct evidence to counter what you say... but i'm always skeptical of things i've never seen proof of.... And at the end of the day, ANYTHING could really be a secret CIA site... whos to know unless perhaps you were stationed there? I did use the term 'supposedly' in my comment regarding CIA facilities not allowed in the US.... in fact "the agency" isn't allowed to operate at all inside the US as im sure you well know.... but its all supposed.. and with this stuff ultimately its alot of hearsay and conjecture and classified documents.... picture of the Krome site in use in the late 1960's.... http://farm1.stati...3_2e7ac351bc_o.jpg where was the black vehicle hidden? -peace /-/ooligan  Location: Las Vegas area Gender: Male When in danger, when in doubt, RUN IN CIRCLES, SCREAM AND SHOUT!  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 31 on 8/9/2007 7:37 AM >   My initial post got the transmit site confused with the receive site -- the receive site was the larger CIA facility on the grounds of the former NAS Richmond, and in a rear 'warehouse' type structure were the 'black' (as in clandestine, not as in the color) continuity of government trailers/trucks. The former NAS Richmond has a long-known & relatively well-documented connection to the CIA, which you have somehow 'missed' in your research. Look into "Zenith Technical Services' sometime. Another obvious suggestion is to do a Google search on that callsign I gave. [Lecture mode on] While we might both have similar interests, at this point I have no respect for your research abilities, so until such a time as you're capable of doing decent research --and in many cases including this one, all you really have to do is a few Google searches using the right words, some of which I've provided already in order to corroborate what I've written. Another thing you need to do is forget that misinformation about the CIA not being "allowed to operate at all inside the US." It's just plain wrong & you not only embarrass yourself be stating that claim over again, but I'm feeling somewhat embarrassed to continue to go back & forth with you. They can & do have plenty of facilities in the USA, including small offices (ostensibly for recruiting personnel) in most major cities. What they are prohibited in doing inside the USA is conducting broad forms of intelligence gathering. That does not prohibit them from legally having many dozens of open, discrete, and clandestine facilities within the USA, such as Camp Peary (which also has a DOD sign at the gate). As for your comment about the "DOD Communications Facility" listed on some old maps, I think I pretty clearly explained that in my last response (the "US Army Regional Communications Activity - NCS" signage. Similar signs are still up at their Warrenton Training Center facilities. I know very intelligent & experienced people who visited the sites when they were operational in the 1980s/early 1990s, visited shortly after this one was vacated (before it was trashed), am personally familiar with the mission of the site, have visited some of their other Regional Radio Facility sites, and have had positive dialog with someone who worked at that particular site, to the point where even though I've never been there & am currently 2000+ miles away, I can describe the basic interior layouts & can advise what specifically the various rooms were used for during the 1980s & early 1990s. I have also been to several dozen Nike-Ajax & Nike-Hercules launch batteries & IFCs across the country, have provided research & documentation assistance in minor ways with several publications on the history of Nike sites, and am currently resolved in some efforts to preserve & partially restore a Nike launch battery. I am taking the time to 'explain myself,' because I'm assuming you're very young, but I think on this site we tend to expect people to have a certain modicum of research skills, and if you're going to challenge someone else's information by referring to it as "hoopla," I hope in the future you'll put more of an effort into confirming/denying their claims before you respond. This might come as a shock to you, but there are probably quite a few facts & tidbits that your "research" has never turned up. The smart thing to do is improve your research. The poor choice is to reply that you think they're wrong because they posted data you hadn't heard of already. [Lecture mode off] Posted by illbilly Hmmm, in my defense... i called it hoopla because whenever i see people throwing around information about secret CIA sites and black command vehicles, regarding places ive researched directly myself... and not supporting their claims with any sources.... i get very skeptical. We all know how 'dramatic' stories about abandoned facilities get spread around. (The Krome Insane Asylum!!). In your original post you said it was either a Nike site or this "CIA Site".. then you went on to say it was the CIA site.... So i felt the need to reaffirm that site was first and foremost a Nike Missile site. In my research i've never read any mention of usage of the facility after 1980. The supposed last use was during Mariel when it was used to house spillover immigrants from the Krome INS facility. All the Nike sites in South Florida were property of the Army, and the Carol City and Krome sites still seem to be under their control. The Krome site is listed as "DOD Communications Facility" on maps still. (Army is under DoD, but not the CIA). The Army still conducts training activities at the Carol City Launcher site... and signage at both sites indicates army control. I'm curious where you got your info that the site was active after 1980 in a capacity? You speak of research, but i'm very curious to see some stuff directly to read myself, as we obviously both have similar interests. Ultimately I dont have any direct evidence to counter what you say... but i'm always skeptical of things i've never seen proof of.... And at the end of the day, ANYTHING could really be a secret CIA site... whos to know unless perhaps you were stationed there? I did use the term 'supposedly' in my comment regarding CIA facilities not allowed in the US.... in fact "the agency" isn't allowed to operate at all inside the US as im sure you well know.... but its all supposed.. and with this stuff ultimately its alot of hearsay and conjecture and classified documents.... picture of the Krome site in use in the late 1960's.... http://farm1.stati...3_2e7ac351bc_o.jpg where was the black vehicle hidden? -peace There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. illbilly   |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 32 on 8/9/2007 10:37 AM >   Thank you for your time/efforts in answering me. Its much appreciated... I can now see that you are someone with detailed knowledge... and not just one of the people who posts questions asking for addresses/directions, or hearsay rumors they've heard. Though I really don't appreciate the insulting tone of your comments in view of the fact that you admittedly got your initial statement wrong and that it in turn led me to try and correct it, though i may have gotten a bit mouthy myself. My second message was intended to state some of the facts and observations I had made focusing on the Krome facility, and not to be argumentative. So i ask we avoid turning this into a flamewar, and we end the condescending tone. I do get most of my info from Google... but i was unable to find any google references linking that call sign with the Krome facility. (Which is the topic of this post.) Though I did find linkages to the Richmond site. It is of course obvious that the CIA needs to maintain some kind of minimal facilities here for administrative purposes. When you mentioned covert mobile command facilities in conjunction with the Krome site, i felt that was beyond scope of the spy communication facilities the CIA is normally associated with, or with the history i know of that Krome site. And thus led me to my comments. Take care.... and remember respect begets respect. mogwai  Location: Miami, Florida Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 33 on 8/10/2007 1:47 AM >   Posted by illbilly ... picture of the Krome site in use in the late 1960's.... where was the black vehicle hidden? -peace I notice that the warehouse structure in the back is missing in this image... Interesting. illbilly   |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 34 on 8/10/2007 4:58 AM >   what side/location do you mean by "back"? all the structures on the right half of the picture were removed by the 90's I think..... [last edit 8/10/2007 5:02 AM by illbilly - edited 1 times] /-/ooligan  Location: Las Vegas area Gender: Male When in danger, when in doubt, RUN IN CIRCLES, SCREAM AND SHOUT!  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 35 on 8/10/2007 5:38 AM >   Posted by illbilly what side/location do you mean by "back"? all the structures on the right half of the picture were removed by the 90's I think..... %$#*&'ing sigh... I advised the location of the 'warehouse' type structure that housed the NEISO continuity of gov't vehicle(s) in my 9 AUG 07 12:37AM posting. There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. mogwai  Location: Miami, Florida Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 36 on 8/11/2007 4:28 AM >   Posted by illbilly what side/location do you mean by "back"? all the structures on the right half of the picture were removed by the 90's I think..... I mean something that is there NOW, that is not in the old picture. illbilly   |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 37 on 8/12/2007 9:33 PM >   hooligan: Your original post described the warehouse as being in 'the back'.... kinda vague.... Nonetheless, when I found that picture originally it was labeled as the Krome facility and the year as 1952... but these structures weren't complete until AFTER the cuban missile crisis.... so it may have be mislabeled entirely and be another Nike site ifc... (the IFC's had pretty similar design, see still existing: HM-69).... though i doubt that because theres alot of detailed similarities between that 60's shot and what it looks like now... So you're probably right... that building definitely has a vehicle type door though its probably only like 8-9 feet tall... just to confirm, this is the one you're talking about right? This is supposedly a shot of it in the 80's... not sure if its early or late 80s... its there then as well... The picture below was taken in the 90's... does the 'equipment' in the shot look like it was leftover from the Mariel usage or subsequent usage? nomeus  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: FLA Gender: Male www.FLURBEX.com  |  |  |  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 38 on 8/13/2007 4:03 AM >   imo this place isnt even worthy of mention www.terraincognito.com RobTech  Location: 'da 305 Gender: Male 20 Year's, and still looking ...  |  |  |  Re: Camp Krome? <Reply # 39 on 8/13/2007 3:48 PM >   It just keeps going and going and going ... Home of Florida's Explorers Flurbex.com UER Forum > Archived US: Southeast > Camp Krome? (Viewed 3571 times)  1 2 3   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. 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