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Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
 |  | Padlocks and cheap picks
< on 11/18/2003 9:45 PM >
|  | | | Well I have been reading hat people are stoped by padlocks because they dont want to cut them. (Sighs) I own bolt cutters and it use to tempt me every day. Then I got a little thing called a padlock shim.
There great little devieces. Some locks pop open some take two of these and some are a (fill in with exsplictive).
Also just saw this at a cheap price going to do some shoping.
http://store.yahoo.com/bioarmed/tg-227.html
Just a suggestion  I havent used that but I dont think I will suggest it after all. Looks like one pick with a handle. hmmmm.
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Intalex
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| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 1 on 11/19/2003 12:21 AM >
|  | | | I can get entire lock pick sets. They don't work at all.
I have this chemical that I use, it's like moulding putty most the time, but when you mix it with this other putty, it goes very acidic. All you have to do is mix it together and wrap it around the padlock. After a few minutes the whole thing will fall apart.
There is another type of this chemical that you can get, which I don't use because it makes a loud bang. You basically do the same thing, mix two putties together and put it on the padlock. After a few seconds it reacts and shatters the lock.
Only problem with this stuff is that it is illegal to own without a license. My friend works in a demolition company, where they use this stuff alot, so I use him to get it for me. But if you ever get caught its best to just chuck it into some bushes.
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RadEd
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 2 on 11/19/2003 12:53 AM >
| | | | Posted by Twin Turbo
I can get entire lock pick sets. They don't work at all.
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You gotta know how to use them. You don't learn to ollie as soon as you get a skateboard.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| |  | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 3 on 11/19/2003 1:16 AM >
|  | | | Posted by Twin Turbo
I can get entire lock pick sets. They don't work at all.
I have this chemical that I use, it's like moulding putty most the time, but when you mix it with this other putty, it goes very acidic. All you have to do is mix it together and wrap it around the padlock. After a few minutes the whole thing will fall apart.
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The other problem being that you're destroying the lock, what most of us won't do...
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Intalex
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| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 4 on 11/19/2003 1:38 AM >
| | | | Read my other post in the thread "Ethical Question". Most the time I don't destroy the lock, but it sure beats the hell out of kicking the door down.
EDIT: Also I would like to add that I do know how to use a lockpick. But padlocks these days are designed to withstand picking.
[last edit 11/19/2003 1:40 AM by Intalex - edited 1 times]
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 5 on 11/19/2003 1:40 AM >
| | | | Destroying the lock or kicking down a door both fall under destruction of property... not a typical part of "take only pictures, leave only footprints" which is the credo for the majority of explorers...
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Intalex
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| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 6 on 11/19/2003 2:09 AM >
| | | | Yes but lets face it, the majority of the people that call themselves explorers really aren't explorers. Typically most of you people are far too ethically bound to really explore a site.
There comes a time when breaking the odd lock is the only way to see a place. Sometimes for the last time before its knocked down to make way for new houses.
I've argued this point with all my friends, and at the end of the day its only ever come down to one thing: If there is no other way in, break in.
Not saying I break things because I want to, that would just be vandalism, but lets be fair, it is an abandoned site, and the locks are there mainly for legal reasons - they prevent vandals from getting in, breaking their leg then suing the company.
"What's that smell?" "Oh that would be me, I've been swimming in raw sewage, I love it!" - Naked Gun |
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 7 on 11/19/2003 2:28 AM >
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You get all the way to the airport and you realize you left your briefcase key on the kitchen counter. Luckily, you'd slipped the Dyno Kwick Pick-+ your brother wanted you to try out in your suit jacket and opened the briefcase in minutes.
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Man, that happens all the time, I always remember to carry my lockpicking device even when I forget my keys! /sarcasm
Posted by Twin Turbo
There comes a time when breaking the odd lock is the only way to see a place. Sometimes for the last time before its knocked down to make way for new houses.
I've argued this point with all my friends, and at the end of the day its only ever come down to one thing: If there is no other way in, break in.
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How hard to you try? Do you try the door and decide to break it down if it's locked? Have you tried to learn how to pick locks? The only locks I've ever seen that are "unpickable" are tubular, and you can get a special tool for those (It'd be great if there were a shim for those, know anything about that Mark?) Even certain combination padlocks can be picked, if you want to know how then PM me. I'll admit I've cut a few locks, but usuall after REALLY trying EVERY OTHER OPTION (after two years of trying to get into a certain tunnel section I finally said screw it and cut the lock). If I cut locks I try to replace them so that the vandals and kids you mentioned are still kept out and I'm not responsible for some jackass getting hurt.
I could rant some more but I have to go to class now.
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
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stealthy
You got a problem bro?
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 8 on 11/19/2003 2:32 AM >
| | | | Posted by Twin Turbo
Yes but lets face it, the majority of the people that call themselves explorers really aren't explorers. Typically most of you people are far too ethically bound to really explore a site.
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I really resent this. Many of the people here have taken risks that you couldn't even dream of! Why don't you PM Av or Jester and ask them what they have encountered! They take risks that you would wet your pants at the thought of. Too ethically bound? My Ass. Think before you post!
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Malabaristo
Location: Eau Claire Wisconsin
Gender: Male
| |  | | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 9 on 11/19/2003 2:40 AM >
| | | | Funny, I've never let my ethics on not destroying things keep me from exploring. I either find a creative way around it (and there almost always is one), or I ask it very nicely to open. Yes, good new paddlocks can be difficult to pick, but not necesarily impossible. That tends not to be an issue anyways, because most places have either old or cheap locks. The ones I haven't been able to open were mostly due to excessive amounts of rust.
EDIT: stupid english
[last edit 11/19/2003 2:42 AM by Malabaristo - edited 1 times]
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Intalex
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| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 10 on 11/19/2003 2:55 AM >
| | | | I did think before I posted actually, and I can safely say that nobody on this board has taken more risks than I have when it comes to UE. Yes thats right, I did just say that. I've fallen through more roofs and bridges than you could care to imagine. I specifically carry MORE equipment than most explorers so that I can get to even more places than everyone else can. I've crossed slippery concrete rivers, walked over rotten roofs, traversed rusted conveyor belts, and even jumped roofs between two buildings, often falling through the roof of the building the other side.
I don't break my way into a place until I have tried every single method (unless I break it by accident  ). Once again I invite you to check out my post in the thread "Ethical Question".
I mainly avoid breaking stuff to eliminate the risk of getting fined if I get caught. But these days I just don't get caught.
People assume that because I am prepared to kick a door down, or break a lock off, that this is the only thing I ever do. They couldn't possibly be more wrong, even if they tried. Firstly I check if the door will open on its own, then I see if I can use the screwdriver to get it off, then I'll check the windows (or skip this step if there are no windows), then I check round the entire building for other entrances, as a last resort I break the lock off, and if the lock is internal to the door, I ignore the building until the very end of my visit, when I eventually break the door down.
Usually I find my way in using the screwdrivers, I've only ever had to break two locks, and kick down one door in my entire life. The door I had to kick down in order to escape. Following the advice of the guy that does abandoned-places.com, I now carry a door handle. (interestingly the doorhandle has helped me get into some places!)
I could rant and rave forever, but that would only make this post longer, and therefore cause people to skim read it and miss points.
TT
"What's that smell?" "Oh that would be me, I've been swimming in raw sewage, I love it!" - Naked Gun |
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stealthy
You got a problem bro?
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 11 on 11/19/2003 3:00 AM >
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I specifically carry MORE equipment than most explorers so that I can get to even more places than everyone else can.
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Ever get chased by cops with that stuff?
I've crossed slippery concrete rivers
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What is that?
Indeed that is dangerous.
traversed rusted conveyor belts
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Depends on the size of the belt.....
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 12 on 11/19/2003 3:06 AM >
| | | | Posted by Twin Turbo
Yes but lets face it, the majority of the people that call themselves explorers really aren't explorers. Typically most of you people are far too ethically bound to really explore a site.
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There are also those of us skilled enough to find non-destructive ways into places. You've really got to either try harder or quit the business if lock smashing is anywhere but at the end of your list of options. Destroying locks brings out a whole new can of worms that I guarantee you won't like.
Posted by Twin Turbo
There comes a time when breaking the odd lock is the only way to see a place.
...If there is no other way in, break in.
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There are indeed places that are very securely locked up, but I sincerely doubt that the only way to get in is by destructive means. Look for tunnels, fire escapes, manhole access, roof hatches, unboarded second story windows, etc.
Posted by Twin Turbo
Not saying I break things because I want to, that would just be vandalism, but lets be fair, it is an abandoned site, and the locks are there mainly for legal reasons - they prevent vandals from getting in, breaking their leg then suing the company.
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That's exactly right. And once you cut/melt/explode the lock off, those vandals punks, and taggers are going to have free access to the place. It doesn't matter if you aren't looking to vandalize the site. Once you give everyone access like that, somebody more than likely will. That or they will break their leg, sue the company, and the company will kick your ass for all you're worth when they find you.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
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Intalex
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| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 13 on 11/19/2003 3:22 AM >
| | | | I've already explained myself. I don't care enough to go on further.
If I was out to win your respect as esteemed masters of your art I would simply lie about what I've done. But why lie? I'm not ashamed of what I've done. I've only ever broken 2 locks and kicked down one door.
each time I've broken a lock, I've replaced it with another so that vandals don't ruin the site. But a determined graffiti artist will be able to get past it.
about 99% of the time I've managed to get in without breaking anything. But the lock picks only work on old locks, and when security realise that people are getting past their current locks, they replace them.
"What's that smell?" "Oh that would be me, I've been swimming in raw sewage, I love it!" - Naked Gun |
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Malabaristo
Location: Eau Claire Wisconsin
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 14 on 11/19/2003 4:24 AM >
| | | | Posted by Twin Turbo
But the lock picks only work on old locks, and when security realise that people are getting past their current locks, they replace them.
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If lockpicks only "work" on old locks then why do locksmiths bother with them? The tool is as good as the person using it.
Why would security realize people are getting past? If you put the lock back how you found it, why would they suspect that it was opened?
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Intalex
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| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 15 on 11/19/2003 4:40 AM >
| | | | Beleive me I know a locksmith, and he doesn't get into cylinder locks using lock picks.
He gets a screw and a screwdriver, then screws the screw into the lock until it locks up and turns. If that doesnt work, he gets out a high power metal drill, and drills out the lock, then fits a new one.
There are very complex key lockpicks that can be configured to move all the tumblers into the correct position, but it is a very complex process that takes years to master.
These locks are designed to resist burglars who have learned these skills, to the point where even the locksmiths are reduced to destroying the lock in order to get in. (and possibly to sell a new lock)
TT
"What's that smell?" "Oh that would be me, I've been swimming in raw sewage, I love it!" - Naked Gun |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 16 on 11/19/2003 5:14 AM >
| | | | Yeah I know a few locking systems out there that are nearly impossible to pop. One is the key system much like the mercedies benz keys that are laser cut. However I have a budy in CID (SP) that knows how to pick those. Takes him a while and supposedly the equipment is pricey. No lock out that need be destroyed to be opened. However time and patience goes into picking them. Some guys just dont want to work that hard and its cheaper to replace the lock.
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Intalex
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| | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 17 on 11/19/2003 5:23 AM >
| | | | I have actually done it before. It took me 2 and a half hours, and gave me access to a lovely pile of moulding chairs.
Time goes quickly while your poking bits of metal into a slit in a door.
These places seem to be locked up to keep homeless people from sheltering in them. Usually they contain stuff that the company don't want looted, and would rather keep till they fell apart.
Seriously it's totally pointless. In the time it takes you to pick a lock only to discover 7 tires and a shopping trolly, I could take photos of a whole site, record sound samples and head back home all in time for lunch.
TT
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 18 on 11/19/2003 6:10 AM >
| | | | Twin Turbo... you seem to think that just because you would use destruction as way in after you tried some normal routes, that it isn't vandalism ? It doesn't matter what you tried, the moment you break the lock or the door or a window, you're a vandal.
Posted by Twin Turbo
But the lock picks only work on old locks, and when security realise that people are getting past their current locks, they replace them.
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Sorry, I've seen my father pick locks of many varieties (including opening a safe) and if anything an older lock can end up tougher if it gets corroded... If you're picking locks to get in, and just taking pictures, how would security figue out you're getting past the lock ? I've been in and out of so many places (without picking any locks) and nobody has a bloody idea i've been there until they see it posted on my website...
Posted by Twin Turbo
These locks are designed to resist burglars who have learned these skills, to the point where even the locksmiths are reduced to destroying the lock in order to get in.
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And of course, these very expensive uber locks are on all the abandonments right ?
Posted by Twin Turbo
In the time it takes you to pick a lock only to discover 7 tires and a shopping trolly, I could take photos of a whole site, record sound samples and head back home all in time for lunch.
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Hell, why even bother trying to find any other way in at all ? Just go straight to breaking something instead and you'll be home in time for your recess snack...
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Shane
Moderator
Location: Bronx, NY
Gender: Male
| |  |  | | | Re: Padlocks and cheap picks
<Reply # 19 on 11/19/2003 6:51 AM >
| | | | Damn, why is everyone being so harsh with this guy? He only broke 2 locks and one door (in a place he was stuck in). I would hardly call that a habit. I mean, really, you guys make it seem like he's going around killing babies. I definately don't encourage lock cutting and it's not something I would do myself. I've met photographers who have occasionally cut a lock or two to get into a place and while I don't really like it I'm not gonna be an ass to that person if they don't happen to share my ethical beliefs.
Yeah, some of the claims TT makes seem a bit out there and he might be exagerating a bit, but realistically I don't find the stuff he carries with him to be all that strange. If I could afford it, I most certainly would have a pair of NVGs (I currently use a Gen 1 night vision scope). The NBC suit would be nice too, keep you dry and clean while you explore, and if it can protect you from nasty chemicals even better.
To TT, I'd like to see some pics from these crazy sites to back up some of your claims. Other than that, welcome to the forum.
"Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk |
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