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1 2 3   UER Forum > Archived UE Main > What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? (Viewed 1559 times) micro  Gender: Male Slowly I turned  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 20 on 8/28/2006 4:27 AM >   Also, your copyright page reminds me of http://www.timecube.com cute_boy  Location: Ontario Gender: Male  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 21 on 8/28/2006 5:08 AM >   that time cube page creeps me out, is it supposed to make any sense? No signature needed blackhawk  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Mission Control UER newbie  |  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 22 on 8/28/2006 5:52 AM >   Posted by cute_boy that time cube page creeps me out, is it supposed to make any sense? That's a messed up site. Reminds me of listening to insane people rambling on about their delusions, some make much better sense than that prophet does. I was addressing pic copyrights more rather than text as it's more clear cut. Obviously if someone credits you as being the source of the text as in critiquing you, that's not copyright infringement. If they're stealing whole chunks of your webpage that's another matter. Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in. NINE  Gender: Male  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 23 on 8/28/2006 9:59 AM >   not exactly, any replicated image has to be directly associated with said critique, and even then the artist can challenge its "fair use" and make a direct request to have it removed via a cease and desist order. Even if the photographer/artist had previously consented to the use of the image, if it hasn't been paid for it can still be pulled by the court. It usually doesn't reach the court however, most people will comply when they get a letter from your lawyer. kowalski   |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 24 on 8/28/2006 12:44 PM >   Posted by Panic I've even seen whole chunks of the material I wrote on asbestos and confined spaces end up on government web sites in the UK and even word for word in a book. Having actually read Panic's material on asbestos this morning, and then googled a bit, I'm fairly convinced that he didn't write it. If you're writing an article about asbestos for your urban exploration website, are you going to include a whole section on what housekeepers should do when confronted by distraught asbestos tiling? No, that rather sounds very much like something that a university physical plant office would do. But I don't know, maybe dry buffing asbestos-containing floor tiles has its charms for Australian urban adventurers, in which case bravo to Panic for keeping them all safe. Maybe Panic would like to show us the e-mail exchange where he got permission to use the photos on that asbestos page (which he does attribute, at least), so that the next time one of us wants to use his photos, we'll know how to word the request... AgentNox  Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Gender: Female I love the smell of asbestos in the morning!  |  |  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 25 on 8/29/2006 4:35 PM >   I'm sorry, my dog obviously has to go to the bathroom so rather than read the whole thread and risk her peeing on my carpet I'm just firing this off quickly. My apologies if somebody has already mentioned it. Have you contacted their hosting company? If they're violating your copyright you can usually get the pages and photo files removed from their hosting account. Also, link to them on your site and encourage your readership to email them about it. I've seen people with site design stolen do that and the culprit usually removes the offending code in a matter of 24-48 hours. "If you don't have bits of gear dangling from you, then you're not really adventuring." Noxography || Flickr Stream TrixieSparrow  Location: Hamilton, ON Gender: Female I guess.  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 26 on 8/29/2006 10:05 PM >   Posted by AgentNox Also, link to them on your site and encourage your readership to email them about it. I've seen people with site design stolen do that and the culprit usually removes the offending code in a matter of 24-48 hours. Any publicity is good publicity. Don't send people to their site. Tell ur friends to harass them or something, but DON'T link to them on your site. 43rdstreet  Location: Bowmanville, Ontario Gender: Male  |  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 27 on 8/29/2006 10:50 PM >   I have always prevented ways for copyright infringement, I use slideshows using flash on my website to display my images, and directories have been locked up, with the images that are showing, they have been reduced so if anybody was to do a print screen shot, it would show... However this does not prevent everything, it does make a difference. The only real image other than thumbnails on my website, is a photo of me, which anybody can spread around the internet all they want, I'll take my 15 minutes. http://www.flickr....hotos/sigurdurham/ AgentNox  Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Gender: Female I love the smell of asbestos in the morning!  |  |  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 28 on 8/30/2006 3:38 PM >   Posted by Trixie_Sparrow Any publicity is good publicity. Don't send people to their site. Tell ur friends to harass them or something, but DON'T link to them on your site. Until recently I worked in PR. That "any publicity is good publicity" mantra is utter bullshit. Think I'm wrong? Ask Arthur Anderson how much they enjoyed their wave of free publicity as Enron's accountants. Even without discussing the media theory (quite frankly, after finishing a Masters degree in communications a few months ago I'm sick to death of media theory) there's the fact that you're wasting their bandwidth by sending people to their site for the sole purpose of witnessing copyright violation and emailing them to pester them about it. If you link to their most media-heavy pages and encourage friends to do the same, its possible to shut the site down by using up the entire month's allotment of bandwidth in 24 hours. Assuming you set up the linking campaign intelligently you're also laying the groundwork for a Google bomb. Email from strangers can be ignored. Extra charges from the guy's ISP for bandwidth and their increasing page rank for Google searches like "lying thief" can't be. Edited to correct stupid typos due to posting without glasses or contact lenses. [last edit 8/30/2006 3:47 PM by AgentNox - edited 2 times] "If you don't have bits of gear dangling from you, then you're not really adventuring." Noxography || Flickr Stream AgentNox  Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Gender: Female I love the smell of asbestos in the morning!  |  |  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 29 on 8/30/2006 3:48 PM >   Posted by 43rdstreet I have always prevented ways for copyright infringement, I use slideshows using flash on my website to display my images, and directories have been locked up, with the images that are showing, they have been reduced so if anybody was to do a print screen shot, it would show... I'm not sure, but couldn't people just grab the images from their local cache? "If you don't have bits of gear dangling from you, then you're not really adventuring." Noxography || Flickr Stream micro  Gender: Male Slowly I turned  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 30 on 8/30/2006 3:54 PM >   Why is it the people who usually care the most about other people stealing their stuff rarely have stuff that's worth stealing in the first place? Case in point: Panic's mindfuck of a site. 43rdstreet  Location: Bowmanville, Ontario Gender: Male  |  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 31 on 8/30/2006 6:44 PM >   Posted by AgentNox I'm not sure, but couldn't people just grab the images from their local cache? It's loads as a .swf file. You can get the pictures of that, but they are greatly reduced. http://www.flickr....hotos/sigurdurham/ Silent Knight  Location: Niagara region Gender: Male Kastle Archives Productions Inc. (since 1999)  |  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 32 on 9/1/2006 3:04 PM >   As someone who has had their original copywritten work stolen, illegally redistributed and made-profit from more times than I can count - indeed, its one of the most frustrating aspects of the 'net these days. Proving copyright infringement and pursuing legal action is a VERY time-consuming endeavour...and most times results in little or no compensation for the effort (the old adage of getting blood from a stone). We've filed suit with several individuals over the years for their illegal use of our Kastle Archives Productions images, and to date we've received only two sizable monetary settlements. And although we sometimes use one of the best copyright law firms in Canada (Riches-McKenzie LLC in Toronto) - the best luck we've had has been with our own correspondences where we directly demand compensation for "loss of livelihood due to infringement of copyrighted intellectual property" from the guilty party. One of the best precedent-setting online legal cases that we often refer to is the Suze Randall v. Max Sheridan (Reactor) case: http://www.apic-wo...om/news/051600.htm Essentially, you must be able to demonstrate to a judge how the copyright infringement has resulted monetarily in a loss of livelihood - and in the case of someone stealing text and photos from a free urbex site and reposting them freely without permission, that'd be a difficult (if not impossible) case to prove. Panic, I certainly sympathise with ya', bro. But other than a few well-worded and threatening emails to the thieving scumbag, I doubt there's a whole lot you can really do about it. Unfortunately, copyright laws really have no teeth these days in the online world...unless you're prepared to devote a helluva lot of time, effort and frustration to pursuing the issue. You can always tell when you're watching Canadian television - the actors in the show are the same ones doing the commercials. Silent Knight  Location: Niagara region Gender: Male Kastle Archives Productions Inc. (since 1999)  |  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 33 on 9/1/2006 3:24 PM >   Posted by AgentNox Until recently I worked in PR. That "any publicity is good publicity" mantra is utter bullshit. Think I'm wrong? Ask Arthur Anderson how much they enjoyed their wave of free publicity as Enron's accountants. Even without discussing the media theory (quite frankly, after finishing a Masters degree in communications a few months ago I'm sick to death of media theory) there's the fact that you're wasting their bandwidth by sending people to their site for the sole purpose of witnessing copyright violation and emailing them to pester them about it. If you link to their most media-heavy pages and encourage friends to do the same, its possible to shut the site down by using up the entire month's allotment of bandwidth in 24 hours. Assuming you set up the linking campaign intelligently you're also laying the groundwork for a Google bomb. Email from strangers can be ignored. Extra charges from the guy's ISP for bandwidth and their increasing page rank for Google searches like "lying thief" can't be. Edited to correct stupid typos due to posting without glasses or contact lenses. With bandwidth as dirt-cheap as it is these days (and most good webhosting services offering unlimited bandwidth at economical rates) - a lot of webmasters these days don't really care much about spikes in bandwidth consumption. And with regards to your opinion about "any publicity is good publicity" being utter bullshit, the Enron example you posted is merely a negative example. Ask Madonna about the nice coin she made subsequent to the Pepsi endorsement of the controversial 'Like A Prayer' music video back in the 90s. The world is filled with examples of people who have made tidy profits based on negative publicity. Some of the most successful ad campaigns over the years were based on negative publicity. Think of the creepy Burger King ad spots lately with the guy in the plastic king mask. Sure, it creeps people out...but everyone's talking about it. Bullseye. You can always tell when you're watching Canadian television - the actors in the show are the same ones doing the commercials. Panic!  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Australia Big drain driving  |  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 34 on 9/2/2006 1:26 AM >   I'm not going to really persue the copyright issues in most cases for a number of reasons. I do from time to time google key phrases from my own web site because of past copyright issues. That's how I know that my asbestos article has been redistributed on a number of web sites, including a couple of university sites. I did however give permission for it to be distributed in the UK by a health and safety organisation some years ago, and I don't mind it being distributed. I was a bit annoyed when two web sites stuck copyright messages on their web sites saying they owned the copyright. I wrote that article back in 96 or 97 as a uni assignment. Details of the fact that I used many sources for that web page are on my copyright page where they have been for years. I freely acknowledge that I'm not an expert on asbestos, and that while I used may sources for that web page, that I wrote it all in my own words. Incidentally I only got a credit for that assignment. The picture of my Lada on a web site from another UE organisation has now been removed so I guess they got my email and took action. It's now a non issue, which pretty much is a good, no fuss outcome. Yeah, I know that getting any response from people can be hard, and that the legal avenue is not very rewarding. I'd prefer not to use that though. I mean these people are generally other Urban Explorers. I hardly want to start all out warfare over text or pictures. The silly thing is that in most cases, if people asked I would say okay. Thankfully the site with 40+ unpublished pictures of mine seems to be not well known. I emailed their hosting service (it's a free site) and have asked for the images to be removed. Update. I just got a second email from the free web site asking me to prove te images are mine. Thankfully I have a pretty foolproof way to do that with those particular images. [last edit 9/2/2006 1:55 AM by Panic! - edited 2 times] Live your life like it really makes a difference. What have you done today to make you feel proud? John Lennon was a wise man. All the world living together as one. Panic!  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Australia Big drain driving  |  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 35 on 9/10/2006 3:43 AM >   I wasn't going to post this screen shot, in the interests of keeping peace. But what the hell. I'm a bit tired of being accused of being a liar. It's not the first time they've stolen my pictures, and probably won't be the last. click to view Live your life like it really makes a difference. What have you done today to make you feel proud? John Lennon was a wise man. All the world living together as one. andrea  Location: Baltimore MD Gender: Female Apparently, I am heinous.  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 36 on 9/10/2006 3:54 AM >   Posted by Panic! I wasn't going to post this screen shot, in the interests of keeping peace. But what the hell. I'm a bit tired of being accused of being a liar. It's not the first time they've stolen my pictures, and probably won't be the last. click to view Ummm. While he did not get your permission, in no way does he claim those are his pictures and he mentions you giving you credit for your actions. Again, while it is not by the book, that is not what I would consider plagiarism. He could have linked to your site below the pictures or something but he wasn't stealing your images to put out as his own. People were not accusing you of being a liar per say, they were just asking to see what the hell you were talking about and every thing you provided has proved to not be what you are saying it is. This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit. Panic!  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Australia Big drain driving  |  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 37 on 9/10/2006 4:15 AM >   <sarcasm>Yes, I now see your point andrea. Quite clearly this paragraph below from my first post on this topic proves your point "every thing you provided has proved to not be what you are saying it is." Yep, quite clearly I can see that the image from the screen shot taken from this web page http://www.urbanad...ive/draindrive.htm was not edited. Oh, must have been my imagination. Oh deary me, Andrea has proven with her superior logic that this photo was not what I was saying it was. Oh, and that link to material that had been copied from my web site, well yeah, that's actually a link to a picture of fairy floss. </sarcasm> And now I'll probably be accused of dragging up the cave clan shit again. So if that happens, remember, they were stupid enough to use my picture without my permission, modified it to remove my copyright and posted it on to a web site where obviously some one would notice it sooner or later and point it out to me and then add "Photo courtesy of Panic!" to the bottom of it. Just because I don't respond to questions don't assume guilt. I Pmed most of the people who asked questions in this thread because I was not interested in arguments and had specific reasons why I did not want to post a link to the sites copying my material. Namely that they were mostly UE web sites and I can do without starting arguments. I PMed Kowalski to advise him that I was going to ignore him because in the entire time I have been here he has never made a single nice post about me. I then subsequently blocked his PMs and will continue to ignore him. Don't assume guilt just because some one chooses not to respond to a thread. In some cases they just could not be bothered. In other cases they are not interested in arguments. So if I don't respond to your posts in the future, don't assume I'm guilty, don't assume I have anything to hide. Just assume that I don’t give a fvck and that I'm not interested in petty squabbling. Posted by Panic! .... Now I see an image from my web site on a web site of a draining organisation which has been edited and incorrectly labelled "Photo courtesy of Panic!" Courtesy yes, with permission no. After all the dramas of this group using my pictures on their web site in the past you think they would have learned. At least they could have put my name on the damn credits page! Then there is another UE web site which has copied who paragraphs from my web site some months ago just to argue that I am mistaken in calling a tunnel a tunnel: http://www.tcuec.com/20060110.pdf Who are these idiots? Can't they read a copyright policy? Sure, they have a right to rebut something if they want to, but they don't have to copy my material, they can just link to it. And besides, who gives a shit if you want to argue that a sewer is not a tunnel? It's not a damn freeway flyover is it? ...... [last edit 9/10/2006 4:24 AM by Panic! - edited 1 times] Live your life like it really makes a difference. What have you done today to make you feel proud? John Lennon was a wise man. All the world living together as one. SoupForDummies   |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 38 on 9/10/2006 4:24 AM >   Salute just because it's you Panic. You're like a hero to me. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz andrea  Location: Baltimore MD Gender: Female Apparently, I am heinous.  |  Re: What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? <Reply # 39 on 9/10/2006 4:30 AM >   Posted by Panic! And now I'll probably be accused of dragging up the cave clan shit again. So if that happens, remember, they were stupid enough to use my picture without my permission, modified it to remove my copyright and posted it on to a web site where obviously some one would notice it sooner or later and point it out to me and then add "Photo courtesy of Panic!" to the bottom of it. Then post the whole story to begin with or don't bother at all. If you don't want drama out in the open, don't post half of the story and wonder why people don't understand when you will have to explain it all for them anyway. This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit. UER Forum > Archived UE Main > What is the point of copyrighting UE web sites if people keep copying your stuff? (Viewed 1559 times)  1 2 3   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site: UER CONTACT View Terms of Service | View Privacy Policy | Server colocation provided by Beanfield This page was generated for you in 187 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 738787891 pages have been generated.