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 |  | Re: What size maglite should I get?
<Reply # 60 on 9/28/2006 4:34 PM >
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If you have a light with a disorienting strobe function or something incredibly bright, then you might get a few seconds upper hand on an attacker. Exploiting this, however, will require training. If you just point a regular light in a determined attacker's eyes, all you'll do is piss him off more.
If self defense with a flashlight is on your agenda, get a Gladius (disorienting strobe), 10X (extremely bright--impossible to look towards even in daylight) T2 (kubaton), E2D (slashing weapon) or 6D Maglite (nightstick) and get training on how to use your choice to its maximum effect. \Whatever your choice of tool, training is essential. Without it all you've got is a gadget and a false sense of security.
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The gladius is super expensive and I haven't heard very promising things about its construction. A standard streamlight or scorpiean can be enough to win the battle sometimes. Go into a abandoned building and have a buddy flash a light in your face as he enters the room and you will see what I am talking about.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Deuterium
Location: PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: What size maglite should I get?
<Reply # 61 on 10/3/2006 10:15 AM >
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A guy comes on here 4sevens and gives us all a discount for his lights. Then no one looks at the damn lights, and the guy even offered a 5 maybe 10% discount. This by far not the only light on the market, but lets compare this a small flashlight to one of maglites larger models.... shall we? |
There is a discount, but I think $43(after 5% discount) is a hefty price to pay for a flashlight intended for the average UEers. Fenix is a relatively new brand and if the Maglite was the GM of the flashlights, perhaps the public would see a new Chinese brand as the Daewoo of the flashlights.
The approach Hyundai has been taking to compete against the well established known brand is to offer more features for the same money, or offer the same feature for less money bundled with 10 year/100,000 mile warranty to have some competitive advantages.
They are becoming quite established, but when their track records were still questionable would you buy a Hyundai w/ slightly more features over a slightly lower-end Chevrolet
for MORE money?
Warranty and service is something to consider when you're buying something from a company that is rather expensive for the class of product. When you buy a Fenix light, your ambigious "lifetime warranty" is ultimately through Fenix' corporate office in China, which means you have to spend about $8 to send it back to China and be at the mercy of their discretions. Some retailers offer an in-house warranty on products purchased through them, but an in-house warranty through a small, new dot com store is not something you can count on in the long run.
If you buy a Maglite, warranty is through their office in the states and with its 34 year existance, you can count on your limited lifetime warranty being honored when your light breaks later.
http://fenix-store...c01405d3754d899937
L2T - About the size of a AA-maglite - 14.1cm (L) x 2cm (D)
Two levels of output, changing by turning the bezel (
The high level: Constant 55 Lumens, 3 hours (Ni-HM)
The low level: Constant 10 Lumens, 22 hours (Ni-HM)
Two 1.5V AA ( Alkaline, Ni-MH, Lithium ) batteries , inexpensive and widely available
Made of aircraft grade aluminum
Hard anodized finish ( the thicker type)
59-gram weight (excluding batteries)
Waterproof o Toughened ultra clear glass lens with AR coating
Push-button tail cap switch
Capable of standing up firmly on a flat surface to serve as a candle
Compare candle power with Maglites:
Solitaire w/1 AAA: 4 - 6 lumens
Two AA: 10 - 12 lumens
Two C or D cell: 16 lumens
Three C or D cell: 24 lumens
Four C or D cell: 32 Lumens
"Mind you, those are optimum brightness levels on FRESH batteries. Your actual output will be less for the life of the batteries. The Fenix L2P is 46 Lumens on two AA's. YOU NEED A SIX CELL MAGLITE WITH CONVENTIONAL BULB FOR 48 LUMENS. "
This light beats the best models maglite has, are more durable, waterproof, and compact. The only upside for a maglite is its heavy and can hit things. However they are had to climb with, the larger ones dont come with lanyards, the bulbs break really easy(even if the light doesnt). Plus its far cheaper to dump cash into AA's that 6D's.
I'll quote Richard Nixon from Futurama skit "I am meeting you hippies half way". The effects of 2AA's is alot less then 1 of your C and D cells. Not to mention the cip inside this light actually helps keep effective light output with rechargeable lights which is un heard of. candlepower.com had a big article about it.
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Mark, I respect your opinion, but come on... your comparison is unfairly biased in favor of the Fenix L2T. You're comparing the published specs the manufacturer wants to present against an unofficial dataset obtained from a source that I can't verify. To be consistent and fair, comparison should be made against Mag's official data, which lists:
While the comparison is interesting, it's an apple to an orange comparison. Unlike Fenix, all the Maglits you named in the list are adjustable focus and the larger reflector in a D and C sized lights can focus the beam much much tighter, resulting in a light that projects further.
From another post:
Posted by Mark
By the way fenix is giving a 5% discount for a damn good light, and not all the models are 50$, plus its cheap batteries unlike alot of the better lights. |
I don't think the Fenix is a bad light, but now that Minimag in similar sized 2AA or higher output 3AA are available for about half the money of Fenix L2P,
adjustable focus, price tag and a lifetime warranty from a well established US based company, the new Minimag LED really does have a significant competitive advantage over the Fenix 2AA lights.
Posted by Mark
Maglite
1. Maglite because so many believe its the cat's ass, but in reality the bulbs are fragile, the light bodies are ok, and the Lumans are terrible. They use to be the best thing on the market when I was born. The luman are that low, there is a difference between candle power, and lumans. Lumans in my opinion are better for mesureing what you can see.
2. When the fire and police have moved from a company, they have not inovated enough to keep up with competition.
3. Any aluminum bodied light with batteries in it will be durable, and although maglite can take abuse, the side switches can't.
4. They aren't waterproof what so ever.
5. People on here are willing to risk there life with a cheap light because someone says they are good without research. Our hobby can in some cases be very light dependant for safe travel through large buildings day or night. Why half ass things when you could get killed.
6. Many people who "drop" the light have the LED conversion so the bulb doesnt beak. 20 for a light plus 9-15 for a bulb brings you to 30-35 |
1. This is nothing unique to Mag.
2, 3, 4: no comment
5. Even though you suggest Fenix lights as being good lights, there is no evidence suggesting that one or the other is statistically more reliable.
6. Still cheaper than a Fenix.
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Jarhead
| | Re: What size maglite should I get?
<Reply # 62 on 10/4/2006 5:23 AM >
| | | | IMHO, the folks at http://fenix-store.com offer really outstanding warranty support.
I've never seen anyone so responsive, besides Hayes, when a business modem went belly up and they shipped it next day air, early AM, for Saturday delivery, late Friday when I contacted them about the problem.
One nice advantage to the Fenix lights is they have a nice Anti-Reflective coating on both sides of the glass, which helps the light to get more lumens out the front. This actual glass lens is much less prone to scratching, which is common in dirty areas. It is difficult to hit such a small light directly on the lens, and with it's low mass, it isn't that likely to break.
One super nice feature, is that they are small enough for one to put in your mouth to hold it, in order to free both hands when needed. Try this with a 2AA or 3AA MagLite, and you will prolly wear your lips out in short order.
The finish on the Fenix is also much tougher than the MagLite finish, and will protect it longer.
Last time I tried to get warranty support out of MagLite, it was a bitch.
The new LED AA MagLites are also longer than the old MagLite AA.
The Fenix lights are small enough for easy Every Day Carry, in the pocket. The MagLites are dicey in this area.
Another big thing about the MagLite LED flashlights is that they rapidly dim in the first 5 minutes, reducing their output significantly. You don't find this with the Fenix Lights.
A good review for comparisons is found here, but remember these are the huge MagLite D sized models, and if you are going to mouth carry one of those, you should prolly join the circus:
http://candlepower...19665&page=1&pp=40
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| |  | Re: What size maglite should I get?
<Reply # 63 on 10/4/2006 6:14 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jarhead
IMHO, the folks at http://fenix-store.com offer really outstanding warranty support.
I've never seen anyone so responsive, besides Hayes, when a business modem went belly up and they shipped it next day air, early AM, for Saturday delivery, late Friday when I contacted them about the problem.
One nice advantage to the Fenix lights is they have a nice Anti-Reflective coating on both sides of the glass, which helps the light to get more lumens out the front. This actual glass lens is much less prone to scratching, which is common in dirty areas. It is difficult to hit such a small light directly on the lens, and with it's low mass, it isn't that likely to break.
One super nice feature, is that they are small enough for one to put in your mouth to hold it, in order to free both hands when needed. Try this with a 2AA or 3AA MagLite, and you will prolly wear your lips out in short order.
The finish on the Fenix is also much tougher than the MagLite finish, and will protect it longer.
Last time I tried to get warranty support out of MagLite, it was a bitch.
The new LED AA MagLites are also longer than the old MagLite AA.
The Fenix lights are small enough for easy Every Day Carry, in the pocket. The MagLites are dicey in this area.
Another big thing about the MagLite LED flashlights is that they rapidly dim in the first 5 minutes, reducing their output significantly. You don't find this with the Fenix Lights.
A good review for comparisons is found here, but remember these are the huge MagLite D sized models, and if you are going to mouth carry one of those, you should prolly join the circus:
http://candlepower...19665&page=1&pp=40
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Interesting first post. Welcome to UER. You certainly are full of helpful information on Fenix flashlights. Wow. One of the things a carny is good at is spotting a ringer. You do like clowns don't you?
Many reviews, including this torch:http://www.flashli...dex_led3-5watt.htm
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Deuterium
Location: PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: What size maglite should I get?
<Reply # 64 on 10/4/2006 7:37 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jarhead
One nice advantage to the Fenix lights is they have a nice Anti-Reflective coating on both sides of the glass, which helps the light to get more lumens out the front. This actual glass lens is much less prone to scratching, which is common in dirty areas. It is difficult to hit such a small light directly on the lens, and with it's low mass, it isn't that likely to break.
One super nice feature, is that they are small enough for one to put in your mouth to hold it, in order to free both hands when needed. Try this with a 2AA or 3AA MagLite, and you will prolly wear your lips out in short order.
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It would be nice if you'd mention the specific model of Fenix you refer to.
The finish on the Fenix is also much tougher than the MagLite finish, and will protect it longer. |
Fenix products hasn't been long enough for the toughness to be time-proven. Sort of like 100,000 hour LED life claim. Also, long lasting finish is a cosmetic matter. Either the Mag or the Fenix shouldn't wear out enough under any predictable use that functionality is affected.
Last time I tried to get warranty support out of MagLite, it was a bitch.
The new LED AA MagLites are also longer than the old MagLite AA. |
It's slightly longer than the old school 2AA Minimag. I think its still small enough for people who find the old Minimag small enough. See the review for side by side comparison and decide for yourself.
The Fenix lights are small enough for easy Every Day Carry, in the pocket. The MagLites are dicey in this area.
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Fenix lights smaller than a L2P like the L0P, Civictor are indeed handier, but I would say they're a different class of light than the L2P, Minimag and other 2AA lights.
Another big thing about the MagLite LED flashlights is that they rapidly dim in the first 5 minutes, reducing their output significantly. You don't find this with the Fenix Lights.
A good review for comparisons is found here, but remember these are the huge MagLite D sized models, and if you are going to mouth carry one of those, you should prolly join the circus:
http://candlepower...19665&page=1&pp=40
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The rapid initial dimming is true for D cell powered LED Maglites. They're based on a drop-in module that fits inside the body of a standard Maglite. Just like your testing, Flashlight reviews found the drop in module to lose about half the original output within minutes and hold it there for a long time.
Flashlight reviews, D cell powered Mag LED. Since none of the Fenix is in the same class as any of the larger C and D cell powered Maglites, I didn't mention them, just like I didn't mention lithium powered Surefires.
Your analysis is completely irrelevant to the Minimag LED, which isn't based on a drop-in module.
Flashlight reviews shows that Minimag LED runs for almost 3 1/2 hours before it dims to 1/2 the initial output and CPF REVIEWS shows that the same 2AA Minimag maintains near full output for almost four hours using rechargble batteries.
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