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 Stowmontgomery
  
Location: Binghamton, NY
Stow Montgomery in the Pavillion, then kill him in the Pagoda
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<Reply # 20 on 6/15/2006 12:16 AM >
|  | | | well, this is a choice that you make and if you decide to break into a building and get caught, theres still the chance that you wont get off with just a warning. that you will go to jail. so if things go bad in my opinion, let the shit hit the fan! I don't see anything wrong with taking things as long as youre not planning on selling that cool metal disintegrator you found or stuff like that, because then whats the point? that is what i consider thievery. And just as there seems to be ethics in breaking into a building to take pictures (calling it urban exploring doesnt change what youre doing or the fact that its illegal) i believe that there are ethics in thievery if thats what you want to call it. my ex was a cleptomaniac who only stole from big businesses ie walmart barnes and nobel etc, but would never even consider stealing from a mom and pop store. The latter is also comparable with urban exploring. I believe that if something is abandoned, and that no one will ever open the place up again, and if the ceilings caved in and the owner obviously doesnt give a shit about his proberty, then so what if you took that cool shiney door knob you found or you decide to create a work of art inside a building for other explorers to find (ie grafitti murals sculptures etc.) I'm all for it! In fact, the last place i went to had so many beautiful murals it made the whole trip much more worth while to see the great artistry that decorated the walls!
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"What did you say?" responded the man.
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blackhawk
 
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| | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 21 on 6/15/2006 1:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by Stowmontgomery
well, this is a choice that you make and if you decide to break into a building and get caught, theres still the chance that you wont get off with just a warning. that you will go to jail. so if things go bad in my opinion, let the shit hit the fan! I don't see anything wrong with taking things as long as youre not planning on selling that cool metal disintegrator you found or stuff like that, because then whats the point? that is what i consider thievery. And just as there seems to be ethics in breaking into a building to take pictures (calling it urban exploring doesnt change what youre doing or the fact that its illegal) i believe that there are ethics in thievery if thats what you want to call it. my ex was a cleptomaniac who only stole from big businesses ie walmart barnes and nobel etc, but would never even consider stealing from a mom and pop store. The latter is also comparable with urban exploring. I believe that if something is abandoned, and that no one will ever open the place up again, and if the ceilings caved in and the owner obviously doesnt give a shit about his proberty, then so what if you took that cool shiney door knob you found or you decide to create a work of art inside a building for other explorers to find (ie grafitti murals sculptures etc.) I'm all for it! In fact, the last place i went to had so many beautiful murals it made the whole trip much more worth while to see the great artistry that decorated the walls!
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You shouldn't play with matches in the hurt locker.
Yes, if I followed your advice I be sitting in the county jail tonight.
Buy all means be proud of any "art" you do at a site, take what you like, and make sure you take pics of doing it!
You might wish to start separate thread for each of your many flammable ideas. Everyone here is enamored by such stuff, much better than exploring. Cheaper too.
Nothing personal, but better you than me mother fucker.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Stowmontgomery
Location: Binghamton, NY
Stow Montgomery in the Pavillion, then kill him in the Pagoda
| | | | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 22 on 6/15/2006 1:19 AM >
| | | | um ok...i didn't want this to escalate into name calling.... and i have never once done any graffitti at a site, and as i have explained before, being an archaeology student i take things to study their purpose. im sure that explination wouldnt work with the cops, but im ok with that.
sorry to have offended you
"Discovery is a painful and arduous thing," said the young boy.
"What did you say?" responded the man.
"I said, 'It's my birthday, and I want you to sing.' " |
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 23 on 6/15/2006 1:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by Stowmontgomery
um ok...i didn't want this to escalate into name calling.... and i have never once done any graffitti at a site, and as i have explained before, being an archaeology student i take things to study their purpose. im sure that explination wouldnt work with the cops, but im ok with that.
sorry to have offended you
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No offense taken. Not name calling, forgive if that was the impression that colorful phrase left you with. That's the phrase's wording, taking out the MF just steals it's meaning. It's not nice to intentionally start flame wars, though.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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abandonview
| | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 24 on 6/15/2006 6:09 PM >
| | | | I was wondering when the topic of graffiti would come up... if i were to say leave a sticker on a locker in an abandoned building and you came back to it 2 years later, and it had rust water stain over the sticker, would you consider it an integral part of the environment?
If i left a canvas with a painting on it on the wall.... would this be art or defacement... i dont know, writing 'penis' on the wall is an understandable defacement, but graffiti art on the other hand i believe is more acceptable... whats your view
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natxtron
  
Location: memphis
urbanesquelation
| |  | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 25 on 6/15/2006 6:43 PM >
| | | | very often the graffiti question depends on the site. i don't mind so much if it's in a non historical building. i'm a graff writer that sticks to legal walls and appropriate places where it can be seen by the public. i would never dare paint on a historical site, or one with architecture worth documenting. what's the use of painting in abandonments if no one but the random vagrants or explorers are the only ones who will ever see it? if i need to practice in an unseen place, there's hundreds of other locations. that's why i finally built my own plywood wall.
plus, painting in a closed structure can be deadly to the lungs.
graffiti on abandonments is also what causes authorities to take notice. a broken window is one thing, a mural on the other hand is like a big neon sign that says "here i am." it's caused several sites in memphis to be securely shut down from all access.
it's all about common sense. even experienced graffiti writers clean up after themselves. the 'ethics' of both hobbies is very similar.
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43rdstreet
Location: Bowmanville, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 26 on 6/15/2006 7:20 PM >
| | | | ""If nobody cares about the building why do we keep it?""
I care about the building, I care about the history, i'm not alone, it's seem to be about 11972 people that agree with me.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 27 on 6/15/2006 7:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by natxtron
very often the graffiti question depends on the site. i don't mind so much if it's in a non historical building. i'm a graff writer that sticks to legal walls and appropriate places where it can be seen by the public. i would never dare paint on a historical site, or one with architecture worth documenting. what's the use of painting in abandonments if no one but the random vagrants or explorers are the only ones who will ever see it? if i need to practice in an unseen place, there's hundreds of other locations. that's why i finally built my own plywood wall.
plus, painting in a closed structure can be deadly to the lungs.
graffiti on abandonments is also what causes authorities to take notice. a broken window is one thing, a mural on the other hand is like a big neon sign that says "here i am." it's caused several sites in memphis to be securely shut down from all access.
it's all about common sense. even experienced graffiti writers clean up after themselves. the 'ethics' of both hobbies is very similar.
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Fair enough, and considerate to all. I recently was at a site with no tagging even though it was unused for quit some time. It was a treat to photograph. Had I tagged it (which I never do) it would have cost me dearly. Pic taking most cops will understand, and even appreciate your hobby, tagging in the wild they will not. They will act accordingly. Your right it's all about common sense, and respect for yourself and others.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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natxtron
Location: memphis
urbanesquelation
| | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 28 on 6/15/2006 7:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by 43rdstreet
If nobody cares about the building why do we keep it?
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sometimes i wonder this myself. but while it's here, i'm gonna 'splore it. it's the same common sense of knowing which buildings we should fight to protect from being demolished in order to renovate, and which abandonments we'd rather see replaced with something that is useful to society. like an abandoned gas station or plain structure with no character or history; i might check it out once but it's not worth returning to. i'd rather have a nice shiny new construction site to play in when they tear it down.
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TomR
Location: Arnhem, Netherlands
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 29 on 6/16/2006 8:19 PM >
| | | | I only took something at 1 place, but they where stripping it and it would be destroyed soon, normally I think you shouldn't take things, just to let the other explorers after you enjoy the location as much as you did.
The only thing I try to leave at a location (if abandoned, other locations I won't) is a paper with my website on it (business-card format)
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tick
Location: Abingdon, VA
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 30 on 6/16/2006 10:01 PM >
|  | | | Posted by vividserenity
i'm not one for pushing my opinions on people so i'm not going to be the "morality police" and critisize others for taking stuff... however, me personally, i prefer not to take things.
A.) most likely something from an abondoned place would only clutter up my room, take up more space, and collect dust.
B.) if i find it that cool i can always just take a picture of it
C.) i want to leave it there so that other explorers can have the opportunity of finding it
that's basically my take. but i'm all about the philosophy of "as long as you're not hurting anything/anyone else, then whatever floats your boat.. it's your life."
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Exactly.
Several years ago, I found this cool room off of the steam tunnels. There was a line of surplus urinals along one wall, and a bunch of other cool stuff. I never stole anything there, but I knew people who did... one by one the urinals disappeared, until they were all gone (along with a lot of other junk). It may not seem like much, but that room is a lot less interesting now, with most of the neat stuff having been stolen. Each item didn't take much from the room when it dissappeared, but all together they made a difference.
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Stowmontgomery
Location: Binghamton, NY
Stow Montgomery in the Pavillion, then kill him in the Pagoda
| | | | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 31 on 6/16/2006 11:26 PM >
| | | | i'm in an area where the only reason people go to abandoned buildings is to
spray paint it
do drugs there
live there
get drunk there
take a dump there
So i don't think im taking away from anything asthetic for other explorers (if there even are any)
recently we went into an old masonic temple where the whole interior was collapsing in on itself. Walls/ceilings caved in etc. (to the point wher eyou could hear bits of ceiling dropping as you walked and the floor was jigglin at points...) anyways... we came across some old masonic aprons and hats (roughly from the 1800's) that were in an old crate. most of them were mildewy/rotten because they were under a leak in the ceiling. we took an apron and hat that were in slightly better condition than the rest and are now planning on cleaning them up and donating them to our local library/historic society or the museum. im more for preserving/donating stuff for the benifit of everyone than having the chance that some thug might piss on it or sell it on ebay or for it to molder into nothing and no one would have ever known it was there.
"Discovery is a painful and arduous thing," said the young boy.
"What did you say?" responded the man.
"I said, 'It's my birthday, and I want you to sing.' " |
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The Road Warrior
| | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 32 on 6/16/2006 11:47 PM >
| | | | i usually take something small.... like a nut screw or something like that.... then i label it and i have a box with them in it and i go through it and remember the place.....
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Stowmontgomery
Location: Binghamton, NY
Stow Montgomery in the Pavillion, then kill him in the Pagoda
| | | | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 33 on 6/17/2006 1:23 AM >
| | | | same here
mine is labeled "URBAN ARTIFACTS"
"Discovery is a painful and arduous thing," said the young boy.
"What did you say?" responded the man.
"I said, 'It's my birthday, and I want you to sing.' " |
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mattsb2000
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Location: San Bernardino
Gender: Male
Your house is gone, your leg has been raped.
| | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 34 on 6/17/2006 1:41 AM >
| | | | I don't touch anything except for the ground, and doors.
Ghettotech
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 35 on 6/17/2006 3:39 AM >
| | | | Posted by mattsb2000
I don't touch anything except for the ground, and doors.
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Wise man. Stolen objects are a liability, not an asset. Those who haven't thought the end outcomes through may say otherwise. This one rule has saved my ass, and saved me face, time and time again.
Take only pictures, leaves only footprints.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Alestrial
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Gender: Male
<Arc_Tangent> I crown you prince of pears!
| | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 36 on 6/17/2006 3:43 AM >
| | | | Personally this topic is so over done please use the Search feature before asking.
My preference is leaving things (I get stuff from dumpsters not UE)
leave only footprints take only photos. has been said by many UE-ers as a way of life it kinda suits.
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snsabnorm
Location: Nova Scotia
Gender: Male
| | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 37 on 6/17/2006 4:27 AM >
| | | | I don't even think it's really an issue. UE is exploration, you explore (the act of searching or traveling for the purpose of discover). Different people havent different views on things, and will forever do things differently. Now matter how much you talk about it some people will take things so won't, but as long as they are exploring their cities, the are UEing. Thats just what I think.
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 38 on 6/17/2006 4:33 AM >
| | | | Posted by snsabnorm
I don't even think it's really an issue. UE is exploration, you explore (the act of searching or traveling for the purpose of discover). Different people havent different views on things, and will forever do things differently. Now matter how much you talk about it some people will take things so won't, but as long as they are exploring their cities, the are UEing. Thats just what I think.
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When shit goes wrong, and it always will, I want my ducks in a row. No wild cards that don't edge my hand in the deck. When your shit's weak, misgotten deeds will seal your fate when you would have otherwise walked away.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Stowmontgomery
Location: Binghamton, NY
Stow Montgomery in the Pavillion, then kill him in the Pagoda
| | | | | Re: Your Take ... on taking things?
<Reply # 39 on 6/17/2006 5:38 AM >
| | | | well, just out of curiosity, how many of you have had bad run-ins with the cops,security, etc?
personally ive never had one problem (except walking into a homeless commune thing) but beyond that ive been fine every time and knowing the cops in my town and how they dont care about anything except their paycheck and getting things for free, i really don't see me gettin in trouble anyways. i always try to go to low risk places and even the one time we went to a building on main st. where it involved us removing boards, tying ropes onto a large pole and having 3 people rapelling down into a basement window no one saw a thing.
this isnt ment to sound pretentious or anything but it seems that the main reason most of you guys dont take stuff is to either leave it for photographic interests of other explorers or to not get into more trouble... neither of which i see being an issue for me.
"Discovery is a painful and arduous thing," said the young boy.
"What did you say?" responded the man.
"I said, 'It's my birthday, and I want you to sing.' " |
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