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 DarkTreader
   
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 |  | Paris Catacombs?
< on 10/29/2003 5:28 AM >
|  | | | This was brought up in a chatroom that I frequent... apparently, the Paris Catacombs have an undefined number of levels to them - the current semi-mapped area goes down to what's called Deep 7 (8 levels below the ground, with the sewers being the first level). A door was found there leading into Deep 8, but was never opened... the scientists that went down got scared, I guess.
1 - has anyone ever heard of this story, and if so, could you post it? I'm interested in reading it all.
2 - a brief discussion ensued (brief as in ~3 hours) about whether or not you would get 'the bends' from emerging from, say, a mile underground. I said no, but I wasn't totally sure on it. Any help on this one?
Just more of a curiosity thing.
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| |  | Re: Paris Catacombs?
<Reply # 1 on 10/29/2003 5:44 AM >
|  | | | Posted by DarkTreader
This was brought up in a chatroom that I frequent... apparently, the Paris Catacombs have an undefined number of levels to them - the current semi-mapped area goes down to what's called Deep 7 (8 levels below the ground, with the sewers being the first level). A door was found there leading into Deep 8, but was never opened... the scientists that went down got scared, I guess.
1 - has anyone ever heard of this story, and if so, could you post it? I'm interested in reading it all.
2 - a brief discussion ensued (brief as in ~3 hours) about whether or not you would get 'the bends' from emerging from, say, a mile underground. I said no, but I wasn't totally sure on it. Any help on this one?
Just more of a curiosity thing.
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I thought "the bends" were only related to diving (surfacing too quickly), due to the air mix one is breathing collecting in their blood or something like that, not just elevation change. If the bends had to do with elevation change only, people would get them when they get shot up the empire state building elevators.
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| | Re: Paris Catacombs?
<Reply # 2 on 10/29/2003 5:52 AM >
| | | | You can get the bends if you ascend in altitude very rapidly, but it has to be REALLY rapid. Like going from sea level to FL250 (25,000 feet) in 30 seconds. I went in an altitude chamber once where they simulated this type of rapid depressurization. To ensure that nobody got the bends they had us breathe pure oxygen for a half hour to get all the nitrogen out of our blood (nitrogen bubbles forming in the blood under low atmospheric pressure will cause the bends.)
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| | Re: Paris Catacombs?
<Reply # 3 on 10/29/2003 6:03 AM >
| | | | You could get the bends from rapid altitude changes in air, but it is much more of a problem in water because the pressure changes so much more rapidly.
I know Slim Jim has firsthand experience in the catacombs, but he doesn't seem to show up here very regularly. Emailing him would be the way to go.
As for the 8th level door thing, I'm sure the cataphiles have been way, way past where any kind of recent scientist or researcher has gone. The cataphiles have been known to tunnel 30 feet past poured concrete blockages in the tunnels to continue their explorations. A door would definitely not stop them.
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DSM2nr203
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| | | Re: Paris Catacombs?
<Reply # 4 on 10/29/2003 6:45 AM >
| | | | Did anyone see that show World Scariest Places on the Travel Channel? I saw it like a year ago and they had a special on the Catacombs of Paris. They showed video from a comcorder they found down there where some guy was walking around with it, then started running for no reason and dropped the camera. It was kinda creepy
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| |  | Re: Paris Catacombs?
<Reply # 5 on 10/29/2003 8:42 AM >
| | | | Posted by DSM2nr203
Did anyone see that show World Scariest Places on the Travel Channel? I saw it like a year ago and they had a special on the Catacombs of Paris. They showed video from a comcorder they found down there where some guy was walking around with it, then started running for no reason and dropped the camera. It was kinda creepy
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Finding the camcorder sounds like that "creepy cave story" that was posted on the Other forum a while ago. http://www.holyshiite.com/caver/index.html, the guy supposedly dropped his camera when the "thing" came after him.
Probably the catacomb camera guy was smoking pot and got a little too paranoid. Another reason not to smoke pot if it makes you drop your camcorder (not trying to start a flamewar, just saying the guy's a dumbass).
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| |  | | | Re: Paris Catacombs?
<Reply # 6 on 10/29/2003 1:17 PM >
| | | | Ah the mysteries of the paris catacombs. Will they ever cease?
I sure hope not.
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| | Re: Paris Catacombs?
<Reply # 7 on 10/29/2003 3:25 PM >
| | | | Posted by DarkTreader
This was brought up in a chatroom that I frequent... apparently, the Paris Catacombs have an undefined number of levels to them - the current semi-mapped area goes down to what's called Deep 7 (8 levels below the ground, with the sewers being the first level). A door was found there leading into Deep 8, but was never opened... the scientists that went down got scared, I guess.
1 - has anyone ever heard of this story, and if so, could you post it? I'm interested in reading it all.
2 - a brief discussion ensued (brief as in ~3 hours) about whether or not you would get 'the bends' from emerging from, say, a mile underground. I said no, but I wasn't totally sure on it. Any help on this one?
Just more of a curiosity thing.
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-~ DT
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1) Never heard this story. But some parts of the catacombs are walled off due to instability. The catacombs go back to the dark ages where they were underground quarries. Later, during the bubonic plague, the closed quarries were rediscovered and used to take the bodies stacked up (literally) in Paris graveyards over the last 1000 years for disposal. It was thought that the rotting bodies were a source for the plague. They were partially right.
2) The bends happens when you spend a long time at high atmospheres breathing regular air and then surface without allowing time to decompress. Nitrogen narcosis begins happening at about 180 feet (60 meters). (Seven atmospheres) This is where the level of nitrogen begins building up faster than the body can get rid of it. The bends is only possible in water. Even at two miles underground, the air pressure is only about two atmospheres. (East Driefontein Gold Mine in Johannesburg, South Africa) Any trip rapid enough to cause the bends in open air would have an accelleration fast enough to kill the person affected outright and would have to come from over four miles deep to the surface in about one minute. The water pressure on top of the air pressure is what makes the bends possible.
The bends are usually only possible at depths of 60 feet (20 meters, 3 atmospheres) and below.
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| | Re: Paris Catacombs?
<Reply # 8 on 10/29/2003 6:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by DSM2nr203
Did anyone see that show World Scariest Places on the Travel Channel? I saw it like a year ago and they had a special on the Catacombs of Paris. They showed video from a comcorder they found down there where some guy was walking around with it, then started running for no reason and dropped the camera. It was kinda creepy
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"In the summer of 2002, 3 student filmmakers climbed into the Parisian catacombs, and vanished... Sixteen months later, their video was recovered". (From Le Claire Witch Project)
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<Reply # 9 on 11/4/2003 12:37 AM >
| | | | There's no way in hell the catacombs would have 7 (or 8) levels, unless you count every other tunnel system - telephone tunnels, sewers, drains, etc. as a level. Then unlikely but possible. They all don't connect to the catacombs anyway, except for parts of the telephone tunnels that dead end. The catacombs (technically limestone quarries in most places, catacombs as such refers to a few localities with bones) have 3 levels maximum in all the areas I've been in. The most levels I've ever heard of a Paris-area quarry having is 5, and they weren't right on top of each other.
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