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 Tom Mosher
  
Noble Donor
Location: toronto
Gender: Male
 |  |  | Ventilation Shafts
< on 10/29/2003 5:11 AM >
|  | | | hey people,
I was wondering if anybody has an idea if large ventilation systems are sturdy enough to explore. There is a particularly large on in a hospital that I have been meaning to poke around in but I'm unsure how firmly attatched it is to the ceiling. We've all seen a million movies where people have been in them and they've given way under the peoples weight.
So I'd like to know if people have any experience with this, and what their call on the situation is.
quick
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Macsbug
Noble Donor
Location: St. Paul, MN
Gender: Male
Safety First!
| |  | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 1 on 10/29/2003 5:17 AM >
|  | | | Posted by QUICK
hey people,
I was wondering if anybody has an idea if large ventilation systems are sturdy enough to explore. There is a particularly large on in a hospital that I have been meaning to poke around in but I'm unsure how firmly attatched it is to the ceiling. We've all seen a million movies where people have been in them and they've given way under the peoples weight.
So I'd like to know if people have any experience with this, and what their call on the situation is.
quick
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I would assume the hospital you are talking about is abondoned, right? What size of ventilation shaft/pipes are you talking about? I know some of the ventilation pipes (circular, strong-looking) at the U of M running below the ceiling are strong enough to hold a persons weight untop of them, but the boxy ducts might not be as strong. Any Pics?
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 2 on 10/29/2003 5:28 AM >
|  | | | I tried it... and ended up just running into barrel fans that block the entire way. The ones I was in were sturdy enough, but still flexed, causing noise.
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Tom Mosher
Noble Donor
Location: toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 3 on 10/29/2003 5:56 AM >
| | | | This is an active hospital. And they're the box-type ones.
I can go take some pictures tomorrow or something.
I have a whole slew of pictures of things Ive explored if anyone wants to help host them. Let me know.
quick
edit: Jester, would crawling with your hands and feet at the extremities of the bottom prevent much of the noise?
[last edit 10/29/2003 5:57 AM by Tom Mosher - edited 1 times]
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 4 on 10/29/2003 5:59 AM >
| | | | it depends what type of ventilation duct it is. I've walked around in massive hallway-sized ducts under the huge theater here, but many ducts that are big enough to occupy are not designed to take the weight. Look closely at how it it attached to the wall or ceiling. If it's just little sheet metal tabe and screws, forget it. Those are barely strong enough to hold the duct it's self. Also look at the floor of the duct. If it's just a single thickness of sheet metal, I doubt it would hold your weight without kinking or at the very least making a ton of racket. Rule of thumb I guess would be to see if there are access hatches. If the hatches are obviously designed to admit humans to enter (and would likely be plastered with confined space/pressure differential warning stickers) then you might be OK.
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Tom Mosher
Noble Donor
Location: toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 5 on 10/29/2003 6:14 AM >
| | | | I'll go back and check as soon as I can. I remember there being fairly large acess doors. But they're certainly not intended to accomodate a person. I'll take pictures.
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Freak
 
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 6 on 10/29/2003 6:15 AM >
| | | | I've been in ducts like Krazy mentioned, in part of the library the steam tunnels connect with and sort of turn into ventilation ducts, they're pretty sturdy but noisy.
I think you're referring to something more like this:
http://freak.minimanga.com/vent3.jpg
Those were surprisingly sturdy, they're suspended on metal hangers bolted to the cieling:
http://freak.minimanga.com/vstuff.jpg (on the upper right and rear of that room is the vent from the first picture)
These were sturdy, but very noisy. It didn't matter since the building was unoccupied, so we didn't bother trying to be quiet. I don't know if it would be possible to crawl through such a vent undetected, in addition to the noise of motion the hangers and the metal bottom of the vent do a lot of groaning and squeaking as your weight moves through the system.
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 8 on 10/29/2003 6:30 AM >
| | | | Here's one of the ducts I was referring to.
They were so incredibly dirty and full of dust I couldn't believe it. The main air intake for the theater was dust clogged and full of leaves. My walking and touching the walls stirred huge choking clouds of dust in the air. You may want to take this into consideration seeing as how this is a live hospital with patients. I wouldn't want to be stirring up dust storms and being responsible for some poor guy's respiratory complicated death.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 9 on 10/29/2003 8:36 AM >
| | | | Wow, I posted almost the same thing in that previous thread that I did here and I didn't even remember it. My memory is really going to hell (another reason to use the search function before posting!)
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
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Shane
Moderator
Location: Bronx, NY
Gender: Male
| |  |  | | | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 10 on 10/29/2003 3:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krazy
I wouldn't want to be stirring up dust storms and being responsible for some poor guy's respiratory complicated death.
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Not to mention the risk of catching some infectious disease.
"Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk |
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Tom Mosher
Noble Donor
Location: toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 11 on 10/29/2003 5:06 PM >
| | | | I'm going tomorrow night to check out the situation. I'll have photos and maybe a story to tell. If I don't wind up going in the vents then I will finally take pictures of the really fun infiltration that you can do at that hospital that I keep meaning to document.
Oh, and I always find it really strange when I see Freak and Krazy replying to eachother.. because for some reason, in my head you two are the same person. Don't ask why because it doesn't make any sense to me either.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 12 on 10/29/2003 5:07 PM >
| | | | Quick... Funny you say that about freak and Krazy, but for the longest time I had the same feeling. I always mixed them up... weird.
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 13 on 10/29/2003 5:47 PM >
| | | | Well, if you've seem both his and my personal websites, you'd understand. We both seem to like the same stuff when it comes to computers, dumpster diving, potato cannons, etc. I really gotta meet Freak some day.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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Chud
Try a 211, you'll just get 187'd...
| | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 14 on 10/29/2003 6:31 PM >
| | | | Odd, I still have that trouble. And I've not seen either of their websites, I think.
Nobody will not agree with the Russians, ever on anything.
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uem-Tux
Iron Wok Jan
Location: Montreal
Gender: Male
UE Geek
| | | | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 15 on 10/29/2003 6:45 PM >
|  | | | Christ! So it's not just me! I accidently made an account called "krazy" when I was supposed to be making freak's account.
I always get them mixed up. I wonder why that is? Some weird human brain architecture thing?
Urban Exploration Montreal
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 16 on 10/29/2003 6:46 PM >
| | | | This is turning into a full blown urban exploration Phenomena...
Do we actually have proof they aren't the same person anyways ?
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 17 on 10/29/2003 7:04 PM >
| | | | I plead the fifth.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 18 on 10/29/2003 7:10 PM >
| | | | The fifth ? is that some sort of cryptic reference to how many of you CLONES there are ?!
Oh, I'm onto you all. I've learned from purple crow about this kind of stuff... reptoid clones most likely...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Ventilation Shafts
<Reply # 19 on 10/29/2003 7:31 PM >
| | | | I guess we do have pretty similar interests, I often have something to say in a post that Krazy's responded to (but then we both tend to reply to a lot of different topics). We must have a similar writing style as well if so many people are confusing us 
Note to selves: send Vancouver-area clone to find this "Jester", he knows far too much.
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
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