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UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > UER General Elections (Viewed 7017 times)
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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 60 on 4/4/2006 12:52 AM >
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Posted by Leviathan
The database = a way for hooligans to find more places to swill beer and scrawl their names in spraypaint without doing any sort of actual research.


I take offense to the negative connotation you've associated with hooligans! ;) I've never partaken in those activities...those are vandals

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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 61 on 4/4/2006 12:53 AM >
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Posted by fatLouie

I once saw a bumper sticker that said:

"If you don't like abortions, don't have one!"

If you don't like the LDB, don't contribute to it. But please, don't take away everyone else's rights simply because you do not like something.


Av is giving us as much as he can. We must be grateful.


"Don't like it, don't look at it" doesn't apply when one of your favorite places suddenly becomes trashed by vandals who found it in the LDB after someone else put it there.

And the last time I checked, the ability to input data about how and where to trespass was not considered (by most people) one of the basic human rights - so let's not start any nonsense about "don't take away my rights."

I think Noah's suggestion is a good compromise. Remove the ability to add new locations to the LDB.

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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 62 on 4/4/2006 1:01 AM >
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Posted by EatsTooMuchJam

"Don't like it, don't look at it" doesn't apply when one of your favorite places suddenly becomes trashed by vandals who found it in the LDB after someone else put it there.

I think Noah's suggestion is a good compromise. Remove the ability to add new locations to the LDB.


Assumptions aside, is there any evidence that taggers and vandals are registering for accounts on uer.ca, waiting patienty for trusted user status, then using the LDB as a reference guide for locations to target?

It doesn't add up.

(I also find it interesting that a few of the most vocal critics of the LDB have made some wonderful contributions to it.)

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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 63 on 4/4/2006 1:05 AM >
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Posted by kowalski

Because without the database you would be powerless to tell us about your explorations and show us the photos you took?



Well you are welcome to spend 4 hours at my house with me giving a slideshow with my famous commentary

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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 64 on 4/4/2006 1:23 AM >
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Okay, I'm glad this thread is active and working, keep the ranting and questions here, suggestions and plans on the priv board.

Anyone can join the private board. If you're not an L3 member and want to vote you best start a party of your own to lobby for it. At this point it's pretty unanimous this is l3 only.

if you know someone wrongly removed from the board, or someone who's taken his cookies and gone home and they seriously want to keep contributing have them drop me an email.

Av's main issue here is being beat over the head by someone or another for EVERY decision to be made on the board. Questionable language and fucking flashing text in your signature. Av gets it beat over his head.

Sure YOUR issue is important to you - but there's no reason for every frickin member to go straight to av with every frickin decision there is to make. Every time av makes a decision he makes an enemy, with this many users it's impossible not to.

This is an opportunity for us to clean up our own shit in Av's house. We can have the basement but stay out of his bedroom and buy some fricking toilet paper for the cause or he's gonna turn out the lights and send everyone home. Don't even THINK about selling the garage.

But I just had a brilliant idea that's a lot of work that might solve everyone's problem here without having to elect a new government.

User A creates a location in the location database and posts pictures and stories and whatnot.

User A has control over who can see his location, namely everyone in his My Buddies list, or some subset. All the users in the access circle that you have direct control of can contribute to the location. You ARE the location DB admin. And how about this! You host it on your own server, we lock the LDB and only allow links to it for future additions. A little app to generate the pages would be easy. You submit your link, along with where it belongs, a mod reviews it and adds it to the list. Your page has to be available and in an approved format. Someone removing their link may orphan part of a site, but that might be appropriate. "These 8 people have brewery database entries" sort em by rank.

Shares out bandwidth, some sites will probably suck...make a better one.



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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 65 on 4/4/2006 1:45 AM >
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I'm gonna run on a Conservative platform with a libertarian bent.
I wonder if Mr. Rove is busy?

Speaking of the LDB; it's one of the few things that makes the place interesting; especially on a regional level.
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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 66 on 4/4/2006 2:29 AM >
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Because the mysites have gone so well? There's plenty of donation each month to keep the bandwidth up for this site. If people are forced into posting their images to their own server than there is really no reason to keep the ldb. And there's no L3 anymore. Having this hierarchy of users has come to mean nothing since every little kid with some posts in these boards seems to get full status. The death of UE is openness. Not Av. Av's tolerance and quest to please everyone is his only fault.

The people I know that don't post locations do so because the "trust" system that worked well was phased out for a more welcoming one. Security has been compromised in order to please the masses. Do I have a solution? Sure. Thin the herd. Implement the previous "by meeting only" approval system. This board shouldn't have to be babysat. There doesn't need to be a leadership change but I'm sure your tired of this shit too Av. There needs to be a community change. If that means offing everyone in order to replace the trust system, so be it. There was once a level of maturity on here and people around to look up to. That's what needs to be regained.

As to the voting, since that's what this thread IS about. Av, you gotta be sick of this, but I disagree with this decision. The council will fail and more users will leave. Just look at how most of your mods continue to act. Their elitist attitudes already drive people away. Respect needs to be given to you and I believe you will acheive that by making examples of over half of the current members.

edit: tried to make it a little more obvious that I am not of the opinion that the ldb needs to be done away with, just that'd it'd be pointless to keep under the proposed change of server management.
[last edit 4/4/2006 3:00 AM by Simian - edited 2 times]

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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 67 on 4/4/2006 2:46 AM >
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Posted by Simian
Having this hierarchy of users has come to mean nothing since every little kid with some posts in these boards seems to get full status.


I too have noticed that after the new mods were instated, it seems a lot easier to get level 3 then before, and even easier if you're a girl (but I'm sure the last bit was always true ).


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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 68 on 4/4/2006 2:46 AM >
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Ironic that the last comedic post in the mac mine location was by .....YOU

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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 69 on 4/4/2006 3:29 AM >
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It sounds to me like there is a lot of boredom and zero enthusiasm about anything around here. None of this type of talk is very inspirational at all. From what I have read on this thread it appears to me that any change is going to be a disaster and not changing anything will result in the same.

Not a good place to be, but it is the way life goes. It is not fair and never will be. But we can choose to what degree we are going to be affected by things.

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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 70 on 4/4/2006 3:29 AM >
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Posted by Simian
Just look at how most of your mods continue to act. Their elitist attitudes already drive people away.


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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 71 on 4/4/2006 3:42 AM >
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Posted by Jupiter
Bow down to Jupiter, thy god, and I will forgive you for this blasphemous statement.


I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Once certain people are given moderator status of a community this large they take it upon themselves to be above all, as opposed to a helper of the community. Being a mod doesn't make you an inciteful officer on cops, it makes you the volunteer firefighter. Who deserves some respect but should help without expecting a medal.



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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 72 on 4/4/2006 3:50 AM >
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Posted by -MisfitStyle-

I don't trust 90% of the users on UER to not run the site into the ground. I really don't think that these elections are a good idea


Avatar-X is not to blame for 99% of the troubles plaguing UER, we are.


I would love to see Av change his mind and decide to come back


MisfitStyle and I don't always agree. So what. But this time I, along with several others, agree 100%. I picked out a few statements above that I want to comment on. AV, PLEASE READ THIS POST. As with any community where you have human interaction, there will always be disagreements, and yes, whining. I am sure that it gets on your nerves to no end. But I am not sure that elections are going to be the best way to handle this. My own personal feelings are that 1 person needs to sit at the control with the ultimate authority. My career and my degree are all in business and I think I can safely say that a website CANNOT survive with a "group" in control. Personally, I think the best route for this is for you (Av) to retain complete control of this site, and let the moderators handle the pissy shit. Work with the site, work with the coding, work with the part you enjoy and let the mods handle the other stuff. If your not happy with the mods, replace us. But I really do not think a general election is going to be practical.

Second, Av is not to blame for most of the problems, at least the way I see it. The community does most of the bitching. There are ways to handle that, I have no doubt. It would not make a person popular, but it can be done.

Third, I too would like to see you change your mind. Try my suggestion. Set it up so that you don't get bugged by everyone.

And finally, if you are determined to give up control of the site, give it to ONE person that you know and trust. I'm just afraid that general elections without some other work will fail and so will the site.

I don't want to see this site fail. I honestly don't. I come here like so many others because I love UE and this is the best place I've found for that. I honestly don't see what the problem with the LDB is. I've heard some of the arguments, some having an amount of validity, but overall, I honestly do not see the big issue.

I know I'll catch crap for this post. And I usually restrain myself, but here goes. For what I have posted above, if you want to call me an ass kisser, go ahead. I don't give a fuck. I told Av and the rest of the group when I applied for the moderator position that I am too damn old to worry about shit like that. So if that's the best you have to say about my post regarding this issue, then I won't spend my time to respond to any of your low minded shit. Give me something with an intelligent argument, or shut up. Ok, let the comments fly.

Av, think about it. A website cannot function and survive as a democracy. If you don't want it any longer, don't shut it down. Give it to someone who will handle it in a way to keep it running for those of us who do care about it.

Thanks.

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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 73 on 4/4/2006 4:01 AM >
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wow, sounds like something i would do. however i would of done this LONG AGO. Frankly at this point in the websites life, the website is at its peak, and a leadership change (or the passing off of administrative dutys) at this time would not really do much, other then cause less stress to Avatar. And I can see where he is coming from.

The site has grown into a creature that is very difficult to control. the constant argueing about ethics, the many different egos... all strugleing to get to the top.

I would suggest completely removing the public forums... i.e. Main, Regional Forums, Other... etc. and letting the users create and manage their own private forums. If Av wants the LDB to stay, it can stay, and it will be the main attraction to the website.

Members will be able to use the LDB to find local explorers in their area. They message them and arrange to meet or whatever. and then that local person invites the new member to his own private forum, where a group of the local explorers hangs out and discusses local events.

Thus the forums are all controlled by the local groups. and friendships are formed, and egos are put aside. Ethics are also dealt with. if the local group tends to be either super ethical, or not ethical at all... then who cares?

anyhow.. i know this is a crazy idea and most people probably dont see where i am coming from... and most people dont really care what i have to say. but i thought i would say it anyhow. This site has gotten too big for its own good. we must try to slice it down into smaller local groups. its just way to overwhelming.

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I also agree with the above post. At this point in the websites life - changing the political structure will fail. in order for an online community to succeed in such a political structure, you should specify such a structure near the begining of the communitys life - therefore people grow with it. You would also have to be very clear on the rules and regulations surrounding the powers of each political level, and ensure that the abuse of power is dealt with.

I would probably run for leadership of this site... but frankly I know it will be a headache. I'll just stick to running my local toronto forum... and work on my own website for now...

Anyhow, I am not going to yammer on about this... as no one really cares.
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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 74 on 4/4/2006 4:07 AM >
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I'm sorry, but it just seems as though there's so much more positive and constructive things we can be doing with our collective time here.

It's about the love of the game, and not anything else.


Be thankful for what you have...another day to live, love, breathe, and explore.
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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 75 on 4/4/2006 4:11 AM >
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Posted by Roadwolf
I would suggest completely removing the public forums... i.e. Main, Regional Forums, Other... etc. and letting the users create and manage their own private forums. If Av wants the LDB to stay, it can stay, and it will be the main attraction to the website.

Members will be able to use the LDB to find local explorers in their area. They message them and arrange to meet or whatever. and then that local person invites the new member to his own private forum, where a group of the local explorers hangs out and discusses local events.

Thus the forums are all controlled by the local groups. and friendships are formed, and egos are put aside. Ethics are also dealt with. if the local group tends to be either super ethical, or not ethical at all... then who cares?

anyhow.. i know this is a crazy idea and most people probably dont see where i am coming from... and most people dont really care what i have to say. but i thought i would say it anyhow. This site has gotten too big for its own good. we must try to slice it down into smaller local groups. its just way to overwhelming.


Although a good idea, new members may not be aware of these private/regional forums and leave the site, or even worse not allowed in due to the fact that one key figure in that area thinks that they do not have the potential to contribute to the site or even have a personal grudge on them. If the regional boards are going to be run by people from that region, I'd recommend that they'd be public.


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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 76 on 4/4/2006 4:19 AM >
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indeed.. but you know what? when I found this site... I didnt care about the forums. I was more interested in finding places near me. and I messages the people who have added the nearby locations to myself and arranged to meet up to explore one. we became friends.

A simple home page explaining how this site works would be a good way to tell new members that there are private boards out there for them to join. maybe even have a list of ALL of the private boards... and the names of their owners. even if they are hidden... and then a new member could find a board local to them, and ask to join it.

i really dont think it would be hard to impliment this. but i do think that most of the issues in this site would be solved by removing the communal forums. the community is too large! and the political structure is not there. and lets face it... most of us are rebels and are thus against any form of political structure or authority. so whats the point?




Posted by Sinister Crayon


Although a good idea, new members may not be aware of these private/regional forums and leave the site, or even worse not allowed in due to the fact that one key figure in that area thinks that they do not have the potential to contribute to the site or even have a personal grudge on them. If the regional boards are going to be run by people from that region, I'd recommend that they'd be public.





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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 77 on 4/4/2006 4:25 AM >
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After a bit of your explaining, that would not be a bad idea. I feel a forum issues section would still be needed, but a lot of the sections could be pitched, maybe keep the website updates to bring attention to certain sites as I know that many people get a majority of their hits from this forum.

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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 78 on 4/4/2006 4:26 AM >
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Posted by Roadwolf
A simple home page explaining how this site works would be a good way to tell new members that there are private boards out there for them to join. maybe even have a list of ALL of the private boards... and the names of their owners. even if they are hidden... and then a new member could find a board local to them, and ask to join it.


What makes you think most would bother to read it? There are already a lot of duplicate posts becuase people do not bother to read the big bulleted lists at the top of each page, or they forget that there is a search button available

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Re: UER General Elections
<Reply # 79 on 4/4/2006 4:26 AM >
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Posted by Myelin


Assumptions aside, is there any evidence that taggers and vandals are registering for accounts on uer.ca, waiting patienty for trusted user status, then using the LDB as a reference guide for locations to target?

It doesn't add up.



perhaps worse than "taggers" or "vandals" are clueless explorers who bring specific heat down on a location by wandering around like fools after having "found" it via the LDB.

if you didn't find the spot, or put in the research to find it, or know the locale, you prolly don't need to be walking in circles around an abandoned building like a jackass, bringing attention to yourself and the building.

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