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 dev
  
Passed away September 23rd, 2006.
 |  | Signature Forgery.
< on 3/27/2006 10:42 PM >
|  | | | Ok.
I've had a link, by-line, and a quote in my signature for quite some time now.
it reads as such:
myopic industries
no future. no foresight.
great abandonments have only two natural enemies: water and UER.
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the final line is a parody of the classic Richard Nickel quote.
it was recently edited by the administration, without my knowledge, or consent, much less notification. i find this to be a very disturbing, immature, and nearly libelous abuse of power.
being the kind of user that i am, i was able to pull up each bit in my history and take screenshots of each change. post text is included for timestamp and context.
ORIGINAL SIG:
3:44pm.
ADMINISTRATION'S FORGED SIG:
4:14pm.
AND FIXED SIG:
approx 4:20pm.
thank you.
--devnull.
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seicer
   
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 1 on 3/28/2006 1:50 AM >
| | | | Mine has been edited by a moderator (this being very recently) because it "insults" two users who insulted many religion followers and violated the TOS. Of course, he was seeing it from one side and was being a hard-ass about it and said that I was wrong in its entirely. Forgetting the fact that these two users insulted people, and never contribute content to this site or others.
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-MisfitStyle-
 
| | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 2 on 3/28/2006 1:57 AM >
| | | | Posted by seicer
Mine has been edited by a moderator (this being very recently) because it "insults" two users who insulted many religion followers and violated the TOS. Of course, he was seeing it from one side and was being a hard-ass about it and said that I was wrong in its entirely. Forgetting the fact that these two users insulted people, and never contribute content to this site or others.
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The actions of the other members of this board are not your concern. If you see someone saying something that violates TOS or you find personally offensive, notify a moderator. Retaliation can be just as much a violation as their original posts may have been.
"I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window."
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kowalski
| | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 3 on 3/28/2006 2:02 AM >
| | | | Mine got censored awhile back for quoting Avatar-X, just quoting him, so...
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Avatar-X
  
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 4 on 3/28/2006 4:11 AM >
| | | | The most common reason for signatures to be edited is when they are too long or too distracting.
Signature texts should be no more than 3 lines long; should not use larger fonts, boldface, or colours; should not flash or animate or otherwise distract; should not contain any graphics; should not defame or insult anyone (use private messages if you must do this), and so on.
If an offending signature is found, the administration reserves the right to edit it or remove it.
huskies - such fluff. |
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dev
Passed away September 23rd, 2006.
| | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 5 on 3/28/2006 4:32 AM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
The most common reason for signatures to be edited is when they are too long or too distracting.
Signature texts should be no more than 3 lines long; should not use larger fonts, boldface, or colours; should not flash or animate or otherwise distract; should not contain any graphics; should not defame or insult anyone (use private messages if you must do this), and so on.
If an offending signature is found, the administration reserves the right to edit it or remove it.
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then i can understand someone removing the offending tags from the sig. however, choosing to remove a tag or two, then changing the TEXT, my CONTENT to something that DEFAMED ME.
if you want sig lines to all be in the plaintext tiny size stuff, you have the power to strip all your AvCode from them at will, with the coded equivalent of your [raw] tag.
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Yehoshua
Location: Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 6 on 3/28/2006 4:42 AM >
| | | | So I guess "Yehoshua: opposing Mark in all its forms since 1964" would also sadly be considered an attack? 
Seriously though, don't use words like libel if you don't know what they mean. That's even ignoring the fact that it's the exact same sentence you had before, they just edited a name. If it were actually libel to say you're dangerous, then it's just as much libel to say UER is dangerous.
That said, it's not libel - get a dictionary.
Our Citizen.
Our Justice.
Bring Omar Khadr back to Canada. |
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 7 on 3/28/2006 4:50 AM >
| | | | Posted by dev
then i can understand someone removing the offending tags from the sig. however, choosing to remove a tag or two, then changing the TEXT, my CONTENT to something that DEFAMED ME.
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Well, I have come back to see my signature edited that offended me. For instance, one of my signatures talked about my site, Abandoned, which was changed to "Abandoned - created from a guy who has a hardon for UER". I don't find that funny, and if a change needs to occur, please PM the person unless it is blindingly obvious. I got Dev's connection quite early and saw where he was pulling that from.
As to Misfitstyle, I did PM a mod about it, but alas nothing was done for several pages until you locked it. The posts should have been deleted, the racists PMed and told to stop (or tempbanned), and a statement at the end should have been written saying that this was not tolerated.
My signature was quite true to that and I am not taking it back. I received several compliments who stated that they are glad someone "stood" up to them in that post, abeit in a more discreet manner. If I offended you because I took offense to their discriminatory remarks, then that means you need to take a more objective viewpoint as to why someone is doing that and how you can solve it without discriminating against one group. I politely PMed a mod about it - nothing happened. The case is now closed though, so it is a moot point.
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-MisfitStyle-
| | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 8 on 3/28/2006 4:59 AM >
| | | | I didn't change your signature because I was offended, it was changed because it violated the forum rules. The religious thread you are referring to was dealt with as the mods saw fit at the time. Quite frankly, I don't come onto your website and tell you how to run things, I would appreciate not being told how to do my job here. If it's a moot point, as you say, then stop bringing it up at every turn.
"I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window."
Need help? Please use the Contact a Mod forum — I'm slow to see PMs. |
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dev
Passed away September 23rd, 2006.
| | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 9 on 3/28/2006 5:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by Yehoshua
Seriously though, don't use words like libel if you don't know what they mean. That's even ignoring the fact that it's the exact same sentence you had before, they just edited a name. If it were actually libel to say you're dangerous, then it's just as much libel to say UER is dangerous.
That said, it's not libel - get a dictionary.
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http://m-w.com/dictionary/libel
2a : a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression
insinuation that i am an enemy of abandonments, in the ethical context of this forum, that i will destroy them or steal from them... defame, libel, slander, those words apply, if in a minor way. would definitely not stand up on a court of law, but that was not my intention in use.
as for your point of me defaming UER with the statement, that's true, unless you get the joke, in which case, it's just funny. with the original Richard Nickel quote to put it in context, again, it's just funny.
my issue, again, was not that the tags were chopped out of my sig, it was that the CONTENT was changed to something defamatory to me, and given the placement of the sig in each of my posts, it lends credency in the theory that it was ME who said that; putting (someone else's) words in my mouth. without notification, consent, or any other curtosey.
[last edit 3/28/2006 5:09 AM by dev - edited 1 times]
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ednothing
| | | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 10 on 3/28/2006 12:51 PM >
| | | | I had my signature removed before also.
Hopefully what I've changed it to now will be allowed to remain.
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kowalski
| | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 11 on 3/28/2006 2:30 PM >
| | | | Posted by -MisfitStyle-
Quite frankly, I don't come onto your website and tell you how to run things, I would appreciate not being told how to do my job here.
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You own UER now?
Ah, mods who get too big for their britches. I'm reminded of the heady days of Shane and Yuri Gagarin, when the world trembled at the sound of their rockets...
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-MisfitStyle-
| | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 12 on 3/28/2006 2:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by kowalski
You own UER now?
Ah, mods who get too big for their britches. I'm reminded of the heady days of Shane and Yuri Gagarin, when the world trembled at the sound of their rockets...
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Never did I imply that I own UER. I simply asked not to be told how to do my job. I've already dealt with this issue via PM with seicer, so I don't see why it had to be brought up here again.
"I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window."
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 13 on 3/28/2006 2:39 PM >
| | | | Posted by -MisfitStyle-
Never did I imply that I own UER. I simply asked not to be told how to do my job. I've already dealt with this issue via PM with seicer, so I don't see why it had to be brought up here again.
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Because of your reply:
"The actions of the other members of this board are not your concern. If you see someone saying something that violates TOS or you find personally offensive, notify a moderator. Retaliation can be just as much a violation as their original posts may have been."
I did contact a moderator. And it was ignored. You saw how offensive those posts were, yet did nothing about it for several pages. Instead of taking appropriate action, you ignored it and eventually locked it WAY down the road.
You are a moderator. You should be questioned periodically. It is our duty and responsibility to keep you in check if you go over the line. (and this is with any moderator). It's akain to a President. Do you support him 100%? Do you never question him and always nod in agreement?
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-MisfitStyle-
| | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 14 on 3/28/2006 3:02 PM >
| | | | Seicer, I'll start off by thanking you for being mature and polite about this, which more than can be said for others who have posted in this thread, myself included. For that, I apologize. Now, to move on to your concerns:
If you contacted another moderator (I didn't receive anything) and you were ignored, that is an issue you will have to take up with that moderator. I locked that thread because, as you mentioned, it had gone way too far and had degraded into flames and useless posts. I was unaware of the PM you sent to another mod until you mentioned it in a PM to me when I modified your signature. I agree that the posts in the religion thread certainly began to cross the line, however, I cannot go back and change the past. At least some action was taken and the thread was locked.
I should note that whether or not I took the appropriate action (some would say that locking it was certainly better than letting it go on), is up to interpretation. Just because you feel my actions were inappropriate, doesn't mean everyone agrees. In fact, as far as I know, you are the only user to still be going on about this issue. I spoke with a few members after locking that thread and they thanked me for finally letting it die.
You signature violated the forum rules, so it was edited. It was simply that, nothing more. While the posts in the religion thread were bad, it doesn't change the previous content of your signature and the fact that it was against the rules. Have you ever heard the saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right?" I suggest that, if you have taken issue to your signature, which publically insulted two members of this forum, being edited, you bring your concerns about that issue to Av. I, on the other hand, fail to see why your signature should be exempt from the rules simply because you disagree with how I handled another thread.
If you guys would like to question my content, go right ahead. However, there is something to be said for a little tact and respect. Seicer, I have already apologized to you for reacting badly in this thread, but I did so because being called out in a public forum, and having to read posts like those from kowalski, would put anyone on the defensive. When the issue of the religion thread came up, I had just started moderating, so you're right it maybe should have been done differently. Hell, I'm still learning, I admit that. That's the reason I'm able to see when I've reacted badly. If you would like to discuss my actions, however, I invite you to PM me on the issue and we can talk about it. If you feel that wouldn't be productive, go ahead and PM Avatar-X.
If you guys want to question me periodically, go right ahead. Despite how I came across earlier in the thread, I don't expect people to nod in agreement with everything I say and do, it would make for a very boring experience here. However, you have to respect the fact that the religion thread was dealt with as I saw fit at the time and your signature was dealt with in the same manner. I didn't take either action because I favour one person over another. It was simply to enforce the rules.
If people want to discuss things calmly and in a mature fashion, I'm willing to do so. If your goal is to come into a thread and lambast me and just shoot off comments from the peanut gallery, then save it, I don't have time for that crap.
[last edit 3/28/2006 3:02 PM by -MisfitStyle- - edited 1 times]
"I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window."
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 15 on 3/29/2006 7:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by -MisfitStyle-
Never did I imply that I own UER. I simply asked not to be told how to do my job. I've already dealt with this issue via PM with seicer, so I don't see why it had to be brought up here again.
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Yes, you've got what ? a month under your belt now, you certainly couldn't benefit from anyone "telling you how to do your job"...
As for the censorship. It is not about violating terms of service. I've seen more than enough violations of the TOS be ignored for no reason other than one guy's opinion. The TOS isn't worth the bytes it takes up.
Funny, I had someone take words i'd said, put them out of context to create a very different meaning, which offended me greatly, but that was fine. I guess just because it was me. Go figure.
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Lonestar
Location: DALLAS
Gender: Male
| | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 16 on 3/29/2006 7:55 PM >
| | | | omg do you guys really not have ne thing more important in your life to worry bout? Sei cer, your signature was breaking the rules so it was changed, doesnt matter why you put it up there or how long it took misfit to deal with it! Misfit- i know nothing about this particular religious thread or ne thing else but from what i read it sounds as if you acted right and did what you thought was best (right, wrong or indifferent)! Also i believe avatar-x or another mod should look into DEV's case and see what moderators out there are causing problems and take appropriate action! Moderators are supposed to up hold the guidelines and standards not sink below them!
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 17 on 3/29/2006 8:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by boutdatlonestar
omg do you guys really not have ne thing more important in your life to worry bout? Sei cer, your signature was breaking the rules so it was changed, doesnt matter why you put it up there or how long it took misfit to deal with it! Misfit- i know nothing about this particular religious thread or ne thing else but from what i read it sounds as if you acted right and did what you thought was best (right, wrong or indifferent)! Also i believe avatar-x or another mod should look into DEV's case and see what moderators out there are causing problems and take appropriate action! Moderators are supposed to up hold the guidelines and standards not sink below them!
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omg you failedtoread the entire thread so u r trying to m8 a blanket statement that you know nutin' about!?? OMG LOL WTF
[last edit 3/29/2006 8:13 PM by seicer - edited 1 times]
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Lonestar
Location: DALLAS
Gender: Male
| | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 18 on 3/29/2006 8:39 PM >
| | | | actaully seicer i did read the whole thing and here is what i got from your portion of it!
there was a thread that users made offensive posts in, you complained and nothin happened so you took matters into your own hand and placed derogatory comments about those users on your signature knowing all along that it goes against the rules, and now you are whining about misfitstyle changing it when you knew that it was gonna happen! thats what i got outta it ne ways!
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Lonestar
Location: DALLAS
Gender: Male
| | Re: Signature Forgery.
<Reply # 19 on 3/29/2006 8:41 PM >
| | | | And i covered the other part of the thread when i said Avatar should look into DEV's case!
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