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Clever Girl
Location: Circle of Least Confusion
RPS is inside all of us
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<Reply # 120 on 7/11/2006 1:01 PM >
|  | | | Alright- so if femaledragonx, myself, DevilC and/or MindHacker all hook up for a tag team asylum rumble, and charge admission- we can start a pool for future UE trips and explorations....
And if you've taken aikido, you'll be very well acquainted with jujitsu. From the training I received in class, and comparison with another friend who did aikido, the two are very similar (and very Japanese.) Jujitsu seems to be a little more acrobatic, and a little more violent. And in kung fu, if we did well enough during a class, we got to put on the huge lion costume and do a lion dance. which can entirely be the entertainment during the asylum rumble intermission.
And as for running like a squirrel- that's the plan. The last thing I need is an unplanned junkie-knife fight in some warehouse. Planned, is another story.
Get down, girl, go 'head, get down. |
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tzaone
 
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 121 on 7/11/2006 1:10 PM >
| | | | i carry a 16" maglight. and i carry it over my shoulder like a cop, you can see best with no hard shadows as the light is coming from near your eyes, and its in a ready position to smash someone.
make moves |
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femaledragonx
Location: Detroit & Everywhere Else I can dream up to go to
The singularity is near
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 122 on 7/11/2006 8:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by hydrotherapy
Alright- we got to put on the huge lion costume and do a lion dance.
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oh snap! you don't know about the animal suits yet. you should see this bunny that leaps through abandonments down near philly and DC. he's always sneaking through my pictures and ruining them.
i paid off the mascot at my high school to "be the bear" for a day. it was great.
i'm totally down for mixed martial arts tag team spar wearing fursuits.
count me in.
"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell
"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives." ~Annie Dillard |
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hydrotherapy
Clever Girl
Location: Circle of Least Confusion
RPS is inside all of us
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 123 on 7/11/2006 9:03 PM >
| | | | My most glorious dance ever ocurred on the moss and weed-ridden steps of the most incredible abandonment I've ever come across. It now lies in ruins, but at least once- I danced the lion dance upon its steps.
Get down, girl, go 'head, get down. |
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 124 on 7/11/2006 9:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by hydrotherapy
My most glorious dance ever ocurred on the moss and weed-ridden steps of the most incredible abandonment I've ever come across. It now lies in ruins, but at least once- I danced the lion dance upon its steps.
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Good art needs no defense. Very nice. 
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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DevilC
Location: Washington, District of Corruption
Gender: Male
I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their views.
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 125 on 7/11/2006 9:37 PM >
| | | | * How do I summon these vision quest animals to defend me Hydrotherapy?
* Aikido is NOTHING like JiuJitsu and is certainly not the best martial art for self defense. Honestly, Aikido is utterly useless in terms of self defense. It is, I guess, probably useful against a drunk /a person with very little athletic ability / a person with no training. It can be and is used against semi-compliant people, such as a person who is being taken into custody by law enforcement (the come-along), where the person is not being fully cooperative, but is not stupid enough to blatantly resist.
* Where are you geographically, femaledragonx? I just moved to DC and am fishing out a decent place to train JiuJitsu. BJJ, as with all other things, varies WIDELY from studio to studio. I have always been blessed to have good guys to train with.
Science flies you to the Moon. Religion flies you into tall buildings. |
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femaledragonx
Location: Detroit & Everywhere Else I can dream up to go to
The singularity is near
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<Reply # 126 on 7/11/2006 9:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by DevilC
* Where are you geographically, femaledragonx? I just moved to DC and am fishing out a decent place to train JiuJitsu. BJJ, as with all other things, varies WIDELY from studio to studio. I have always been blessed to have good guys to train with.
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i live in NY but i half my time in the DC area.
aikido was my first martial art. i would never call it useless, but it was not the right style for me. i don't enjoy the throwing styles, though i do like/love chi na locks (qui na) which seem to go hand in hand
i have been trying to take dr. Jwing-Ming Yang's seminars instead so i can learn more chi na, without having take a throwing style again, but it's hard to commit when so many abandonments have been getting torched and demolished. i train at home alone these days instead.
there are some decent shools i checked out in the MD area, but not jujitsu. why is jujitsu so incredible? what are it's strengths?
i found an INCREDIBLE instructor in NYC for wing chun, but i had to take a break for a bit...i miss it. but the asylums call.
"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell
"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives." ~Annie Dillard |
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 127 on 7/12/2006 11:43 AM >
| | | | Posted by femaledragonx
i looked into kali a little this year, because it seemed to me that i could find some form of sticks i could carry that i wouldn't get arrested for. but i guess if i used them, even if they did not LOOK like weapons, i could still get into some serious trouble.
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An asp is a perfect alternative to carrying escrimas.. also I am pretty sure that mostly all the training in it can be applied to open hand, Although I haven't taken a class in it for years but thats what I remember.. I'll hafta tell my buddy that knows more of these things to actually log on here and post his 2cents..
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 128 on 7/12/2006 12:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by DevilC
Honestly, Aikido is utterly useless in terms of self defense. It is, I guess, probably useful against a drunk /a person with very little athletic ability / a person with no training. |
The strength of aikido is you`re unlikely to really screw somebody up. Or its weakness, if thats your point of view. I can testify to its strength, especially as it was originally intended (mixed with another art)... because in an unofficial sparring match the aikido\mma guy trounced me.
They also do weapons training, which ofcourse can be adapted to whatever is at hand (in hand?).
And sure, I`m in for the tourney. Is running like a rabid chipmunk an acceptable tactic?
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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Shinken
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Time enjoyed waisting, was not waisted.
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 129 on 7/12/2006 11:20 PM >
| | | | I was turned on to this threed by Pravus and I am really enjoying the fact that this is accually a mature conversasion. As for a good form a fighting....
People are always so quick to say that this style is great and that style sucks. It has little, if anything, to do with the style of fighting. It comes down to the type of teacher and the willingness of the student.
Is the teacher teaching the true art, or some preversed version he came up with? The truest form of all the arts is combat. What people today see as traditional martial arts is countless hours of kata and patterns. although I believe it takes the right teacher to show you the uncanny values that kata can offer, most don't have any idea themselves. They just teach it because they were taught it. The most traditional of the arts does not have 1 person kata, they are always 2 person kata.
The student needs to be willing to learn to fight. Do you find it gross to jab someone in the throat or scrape their eyes with your fingers? Yes? then you are safer not training in the martial arts and continue to think you know nothing and just run, instead of thinking you know something and dying.
Is it really wrong to rake the eyes, or kick the groin, or rip skin off? Isn't that better than dying, or even takeing his life? I would never want to thought of killing someone on my consious. But rakeing his eye and makeing him blind is one eye is better than killing him. I can live with that. There are 2 kinds of fighters in the world, dirty fighters, and losers. Choose.
As for the different arts. I will only speak of the arts that I have accually trained in. I believe that if you have not done it, you should not give advise on it because you can't know what you are talking about.
Tae Kwon Do - It was invented as a sport and a way to restore korean culture, NOT A FIGHTING ART. That is fact and can easily be googled. I will not say that it does not have its value in fighting, but it take the right teacher and the right student.
Kenpo - I don't usually agree with the "american martial arts" since they seem to just be watered down versions of their predecessors, but Ed Parker accually did it right. Great art for fighting since it is based on fighting, not sparring. (sparring and fighting are the the same by the way)
Karate - this is such a broad art and everyone and their mother has done at the local YMCA. Kyokushin is a very rough and tough system and is the one I am currently seeking more training in.
Kali - without a doubt, the best form of knife and stick fighting. The entire art is based on it. I would stake my life with the knife skills I learn from this.
Brazilian Ju Jutsu - I know I will get flak for this one, and I am sorry if I offend anyone. BJJ is by far, in my opinion, the greatest form fighting in a controlled situation. Notice I said "controlled". If you add ANY variables (he has a knife you didn't see, he has a friend, you are on rought pavement) you are dead.
Tai Jutsu - My current fav of all my arts I am trained in. This is the hardest one to find a good teacher with, most teach only what they were told but dont know why. I have been lucky enough to find a great one. 100% based on "WHAT IF?" What if he has a knife you didn't see. What if he has a friend or 2 or 3. What if you find some thing on the ground to use as a weapon. If you haven't been trained to use that weapon, it might do more harm that good since you might end up giveing it to him. But on the other had, don't think he wont pick it up if you dont.
Damn, this turned out to be a lot longer that I thought. Sorry about that.
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paradoxpictures2002
Location: The Great State of South Carolina
Gender: Male
Avenge Me!
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 130 on 7/13/2006 3:28 AM >
| | | | Posted by DanB
A pistol is too hard to explain away if you get caught. Preferably, I would take a medium hunting knife where I can easily get at it. If confronted, it's flight first and then fight. 'Tis better to be alive with hurt pride than to fight heroically and be .
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If It is legal in your state I highly recommend applying for a Concealed Weapons Permit. Martial arts, maglites,knives, Pepper spray, all these things are good but are a poor replacement for a handgun especially if the person attacking you has a gun (which is a possibility). Carrying concealed means that it is up to you to choose if a situation warrants the use of your firearm. Until the crap absolutely hits the fan nobody has to know you are armed. Even if you have a firearm your first and best option is still retreat. Just because you carry a gun doesn't mean you have to use it in every circumstance, but if a dire situation arises from which there is no retreat and your life is in the balance you will be grateful that you are armed. It's Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, just go real limp, because maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will try to catch you because, hey, free dummy |
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 131 on 7/13/2006 4:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by paradoxpictures2002
If It is legal in your state I highly recommend applying for a Concealed Weapons Permit. Martial arts, maglites,knives, Pepper spray, all these things are good but are a poor replacement for a handgun especially if the person attacking you has a gun (which is a possibility). Carrying concealed means that it is up to you to choose if a situation warrants the use of your firearm. Until the crap absolutely hits the fan nobody has to know you are armed. Even if you have a firearm your first and best option is still retreat. Just because you carry a gun doesn't mean you have to use it in every circumstance, but if a dire situation arises from which there is no retreat and your life is in the balance you will be grateful that you are armed. It's Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
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If your trespassing with a handgun, you could end up getting a mandatory 5+ year sentence in many states. Best protection. Bad idea.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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DjMalign
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Gender: Male
Sexy, sexy, sexy
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 132 on 7/14/2006 2:07 AM >
| | | | seriously people, you take photos, right? ever notice that its hard to take photos of dark places without a tripod? ever think that a metal tripod can do some serious damage?
leave it be. protection is almost never needed when exploring. end of story
I hate all of you |
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Bishop X
Location: Florida
Gender: Male
Flurbex O.G.
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 133 on 7/14/2006 12:23 PM >
| | | | my first suggestion would be to run like hell. My second would be pepper spray and then run like hell. Also if you are ever putting yourself in such situations, train in martial arts, there is nothing wrong with being prepared. I have 5 years of Muay Thai training as well as a year of Traditional and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Hap Ki do. Also I have much knowledge of street fighting from doing Club Security work for 4 years. im not a big guy. 155 pounds, but I am ready for a situation if one is to happen. Bottom line is if you are ever putting yourself in an environment where you know you are at risk of violent encounters, why not be prepared for it?
RIP GRIM |
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IBeezy
Location: Detroit, MI Tre 1 Tre
Gender: Male
Beautifying Scenery since '91
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 134 on 7/19/2006 3:43 AM >
| | | | Posted by -MisfitStyle-
I'm not going to get into this debate, |
As far as I'm concerned, if any person, homeless or not, assaults me, I will defend myself. It doesn't matter if I'm in an abandonment, or on a public street. |
Goes without question, but.....
It isn't their home.... that's the definition of "homeless".
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While in an abandonment, They may beg to differ with You.
Always remember We are the guests there. Respect the locals.
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-MisfitStyle-
 
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 135 on 7/19/2006 5:28 AM >
| | | | Posted by IBeezy
While in an abandonment, They may beg to differ with You.
Always remember We are the guests there. Respect the locals.
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They can differ with me all they like, they have no more claim to the building than I. I'm friendly with the homeless I encounter because it is mutually beneficial for me to do so. They remain undisturbed and my health remains intact. But, the fact of the matter is that both I and the homeless are guests in an abandoned building.
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"I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window."
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IBeezy
Location: Detroit, MI Tre 1 Tre
Gender: Male
Beautifying Scenery since '91
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 136 on 7/19/2006 7:09 AM >
| | | | Posted by -MisfitStyle-
They can differ with me all they like, they have no more claim to the building than I. |
I didn't mean 'differ' in the literal sense.
I'm friendly with the homeless I encounter because it is mutually beneficial for me to do so. They remain undisturbed and my health remains intact. |
As should all of Us. It's priority.
But, the fact of the matter is that both I and the homeless are guests in an abandoned building.
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I understand Your convictions and see where You are coming from.
I guess what I'm trying to say is,
If You some how find yourself wriggling Your way into a dark, dingy, hole in low light, by moving say, a mattress, or other light fortification blocking an entrance in a makeshift dwelling within a structure...If You happen to surprise someone that instantly becomes hostile and makes clear, that this is His place, and insists You do not belong there....it's no time for discussions.
Be ready, as I trust You would, but it might be wise to Politely leave and to not turn one's back.
Regards,
IBeezereli
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Deuterium
Location: PNW
Gender: Male
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 137 on 7/19/2006 10:13 AM >
| | | | Posted by IBeezy
I didn't mean 'differ' in the literal sense.
As should all of Us. It's priority.
I understand Your convictions and see where You are coming from.
I guess what I'm trying to say is,
If You some how find yourself wriggling Your way into a dark, dingy, hole in low light, by moving say, a mattress, or other light fortification blocking an entrance in a makeshift dwelling within a structure...If You happen to surprise someone that instantly becomes hostile and makes clear, that this is His place, and insists You do not belong there....it's no time for discussions.
Be ready, as I trust You would, but it might be wise to Politely leave and to not turn one's back.
Regards,
IBeezereli
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You sir, have a radical opinion. On the topic of radicalness, do you feel it is acceptable to dispose off of solvents that should be disposed as hazardous waste by evaporating them to the atmosphere?
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-MisfitStyle-
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 138 on 7/19/2006 6:17 PM >
| | | | Posted by IBeezy
If You happen to surprise someone that instantly becomes hostile and makes clear, that this is His place, and insists You do not belong there....it's no time for discussions.
Be ready, as I trust You would, but it might be wise to Politely leave and to not turn one's back.
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Of course. You and I agree after all, it would seem. I misunderstood the point you were trying to get across.
"I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window."
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IBeezy
Location: Detroit, MI Tre 1 Tre
Gender: Male
Beautifying Scenery since '91
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 139 on 7/22/2006 7:18 AM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
You sir, have a radical opinion.
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Of course,
'cause I'm one radically, excellent, tubular, dude.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrilla Warfare!
On the topic of radicalness, do you feel it is acceptable to dispose off of solvents that should be disposed as hazardous waste by evaporating them to the atmosphere?
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Of course,
I smoke like a chimney and drive a car with a fart can everyday.
No guilt trips here.
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