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1 2   UER Forum > Archived UE Main > US to close 100 military bases - news article (Viewed 381 times) Zern  Location: Connecticut Gender: Male  |  |  US to close 100 military bases - news article < on 10/14/2003 11:41 PM >   WASHINGTON -- Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld is planning to cut at least 100 of the nation's 425 military bases -- more closures than in the four previous rounds of base closures combined -- beginning in 2005, Pentagon insiders said Monday. http://www.greatfallstribune.com/news/stories/20031014/localnews/448919.html This is good news for explorers (not for the country, but please don't turn this post into a political discussion). At least in about 5 years from now. Zern Snarg  Gender: Male  |  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 1 on 10/14/2003 11:52 PM >   Damnit! And I was hoping they would close Malmstrom. (sigh) Looks like I will be here forever... Mean people suck. Nice people swallow. Servo   |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 2 on 10/15/2003 2:07 AM >   Hah. How long do you have to stay there, Snarg? I'm wondering though... even if they are closed, will they still be guarded/monitored somehow? I know that wouldn't stop most, but I think due to the fear over ter'rists, the penalties for being caught on an old base would be pretty steep. Of course they should be removing anything of vital importance to national security, but paranoia is an amazing thing. Snarg  Gender: Male  |  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 3 on 10/15/2003 2:10 AM >   I have been here for almost four years. It feel like four centuries. The best answer I have for you Servo is contained in Commander Chainsaw's website. Notice how many abandond missile sites he has explored? Mean people suck. Nice people swallow. Freak  Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 4 on 10/15/2003 2:55 AM >   I hope they shut down some in Alaska, but doubt it. They just reopened a closed one so they could play with more missiles. (as usual, the local residents all petitioned to reopen when they lost their support and construction jobs, and are now complaining about the increased noise, pollution, and crime that reopening the base brought). Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 EatsTooMuchJam  Location: Minneapolis, MN Gender: Male Squirty "Stickybuns" von Cherrypants  |  |  |  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 5 on 10/15/2003 5:30 AM >   Judging by what I've seen of military bases that are closed/closing, it's going to be a while before it'll be possible to explore those bases, but that's still great news for explorers in a few years! "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits Samurai  Vehicular Lord Rick Location: northeastern New York No matter where you go, there you are...  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 6 on 10/15/2003 7:43 AM >   i'm still working up the intestinal fortitude to explore the one here that's been closed for almost ten years!!! Samurai Pazrul  Location: Seattle, WA Gender: Male  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 7 on 10/16/2003 7:19 PM >   I would think that a just closed Military Base would probably not be guarded after all the sensitive material was taken out. They are trying to cut spending. But even with it being unguarded, I'm moderatly skeptical about getting into one. every door will be locked, and as a military installation, the buildings would be pretty secure. "One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star." ~Team107~ Snarg  Gender: Male  |  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 8 on 10/16/2003 7:50 PM >   Posted by Pazrul But even with it being unguarded, I'm moderatly skeptical about getting into one. every door will be locked, and as a military installation, the buildings would be pretty secure. Heh, you would be surprised at some of the buildings I have gotten into in active installations To bad I never thought to bring a camera back then... Mean people suck. Nice people swallow. Zern  Location: Connecticut Gender: Male  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 9 on 10/16/2003 9:03 PM >   From what I've seen, alot of the older bases have some old decrepid (sp?) buildings still around. I don't think it would be that easy to secure them completely. But, I'll just have to wait a couple years... Zern Shane  Moderator Location: Bronx, NY Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 10 on 10/16/2003 10:52 PM >   I've done my share of abandoned military installations, and there is rarely any guards or security measures. They remove any salvagable/dangerous/sensitive materials and equipment, turn off the utilities, lock the gate, and let the city/county know that the land is availble. Many times, the land will be used by the city and converted into something else. You may occasionally run across a park ranger or police officer in the area, they check those places for kids doing drugs, etc. Also, I've heard that the national guard and the army occasionally uses closed bases for training exercises, so be sure you do some scouting before running into one. Generally the penalties for getting caught can be high if the person is really out to get you, but most of the time if it is a truly closed/abandoned installation they will just ask you to leave and that if you come back they'll charge you with tresspassing. I've had friends who were playing paintball get caught at an abandoned Nike Site by a park ranger, he just told em that he was gonna come back in a half hour and that they better be gone by then and that if they aren't they'll get a $500 fine. Most importantly, be completely positive that the place is closed and not being used by anyone before entering it. "Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk Pazrul  Location: Seattle, WA Gender: Male  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 11 on 10/17/2003 12:18 AM >   Sorry, I meant that I couldn't get into them, but I'm not 1337. Snarg, how have you gotten into Military bases before? air ducts, unlocked doors, lockpicking? I'd love to get into some of the old bases on islands outside of seatle, so I actually want to know, this isn't an attack on you or anything. "One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star." ~Team107~ Chud  Try a 211, you'll just get 187'd...  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 12 on 10/17/2003 12:51 AM >   Posted by Pazrul Snarg, how have you gotten into Military bases before? He's Air Force, I believe. It's not that hard to do your job when you're busy doing your job. I have explored abandoned areas of active bases, and scored some phat loot at the same time. Granted, that's Bad News, but back then it really didn't matter, seeing as I was just a kid, I never took anything that wasn't officially "trash" at the time, and I honestly was in it for the exploration factor, even though I did increase my inventory. It was Ft. George G. Meade, Maryland, some time in the mid to late 90s. I lived in one of the housing developments right outside the actual base, a paper airplane's toss from the town of Odenton. Not exactly the best neighborhood (we had crackhead rapists hide in our family van from time to time), but it was a fun place for a young urban explorer. My cousin would come to visit from Richmond, VA, and we would hop on our bikes and poke around the mostly abandoned appartments. (The buildings were all condemned--after everyone moved out who was currently living there, it was all going to get torn down.) We honed our lock-jimmying skills on the doors to common basements, we did some rudimentary parkour to climb sheds and boiler-houses, and we generally had a good time. We even took my Canon AE-1 Program for it's first few runs (with us) and got some good pictures, albiet not of urban goodies. As I mentioned, we took anything that we thought would be usefull, but if you've ever been an Army-kid you know that stuff you leave behind after you move is not yours anymore, so I have no qualms about what we took. Those were good times, to be sure. I would never step foot on a military housing complex, these days, seeing as I'm a civilian, and at this point it would be wrong. I do, however, go periodically to Ft. Benning, Georgia, for a state-payed doctor's visit and tax-free groceries. I often times will wander the hospital, but it's pretty much the same as any hospital, so I don't risk the double risk for equal gain. Military Police have the right to take your camera from you if they catch you, so it's really not a good idea to bring one. I do miss my days on Meade, but those times are gone, and I accept that, staying thankfull for my romps back through the occasional military base, reminding me of that life long past. Nobody will not agree with the Russians, ever on anything. -Kimmo Snarg  Gender: Male  |  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 13 on 10/17/2003 6:18 AM >   Chud is 100% correct. I am currently active duty Air Force. I have been to my fair share of Air Force bases. I have a couple pictures and if I ever get off of my lazy ass I'll scan and post them. Mean people suck. Nice people swallow. Samurai  Vehicular Lord Rick Location: northeastern New York No matter where you go, there you are...  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 14 on 10/17/2003 6:23 AM >   the bitch of bitches about plattsburgh AFB is the fact that PARC, the idiotic agency that's handling the redevelopment of the land, has moved a bunch of companies into the facility, so you never know what you're going to walk into in the middle of the night. Couple that to the fact that the Plattsburgh rent-a-cops, I mean PD (these guys are about one step away from being security guards at Toy-R-Us folks), are a bunch of young, uneducated punks, makes for a dangerous, yet exciting romp. BTW, Plattsburgh AFB was a SAC base that had stationed FB-111 fighterbombers and the KC-135 tankers... I believe the base closed in 1992-93, but I can't remember. Samurai NoSuchPerson  Stop, or I'll ask you again!  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 15 on 10/17/2003 6:34 AM >   Doesn't this seem abit counterproductive? He is the _defense_ secretary. Especially in this day in age, shouldn't they be not closing military bases? Unit calling radio say again? nightshadow  Location: Western PA Gender: Male Simpsons FTW. Anyhow...  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 16 on 10/17/2003 7:16 PM >   I'd say we don't need all of our bases, and closing a few would hardly make a difference, but 100 bases sounds completely overboard to me. Anyway, thats great news for UE a few years, I agree. "One only needs two tools in life: WD-40 to make things go, and duct tape to make them stop." "That only works in movies, you idiot." Freak  Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 17 on 10/17/2003 9:41 PM >   Posted by Zern From what I've seen, alot of the older bases have some old decrepid (sp?) buildings still around. I don't think it would be that easy to secure them completely. But, I'll just have to wait a couple years... Zern When I was on the local Army base a few weeks ago (first time I'd been there, to pick up some stuff for a campus activity), I saw quite a few abandoned and empty buildings. The best/worst thing was that there were steam tunnel hatches literally every block, with no locks, no visible alarms, and many of them just propped open or with the lids sitting on the ground. It made me want to go tunneling, but I'd think that would be a terrible idea on a military base at any time, and especially post 9/11 (I didn't even want to take too many pictures in case it pissed off the MPs). I wrote to the local historical society recently about some old tunnels downtown, and they sent me this interesting tidbit: " Ft. Wainwrigth has the most extensive system in this area and the tunnels have long been a favorite attraction for town's people. However due to national security concerns access to the Post has been restricted for an indefinite period of time." I wrote back to ask what exactly they meant about tunnels being an attraction, I'm not sure if they're referring to explorers or legitimate tours, but either way it's pretty interesting. Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 statik  Location: colorado There has got to be more to life than just being really, really, really, ridiculously good-looking.  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 18 on 10/18/2003 3:34 AM >   I hate to be the one to piss on the campfire... but... The Base Realignment and Closure plan isn't necessarily that friendly to UE. The whole plan is to clean up, tear down, and liquidate the land as quickly as possible... Case and point: Lowry AFB, closed 1991 under the BRAC plan. Most military functions didn't actually leave until 1994-1995. And then they immediately tore a bunch of stuff down. Converted some hangars into an aerospace museum. Converted some existing buildings into offices. Built upscale housing on the unused land. Sure, there are a few barracks and hangars left now, but they're so well-guarded, it's not necessarily worth the risk. So the BRAC sites will be technically operational for many, many years after they're officially closed. Of course, this may not be the case at other sites, but I'd say in almost every case, you'd have a very short window of opportunity, and a very high risk of getting caught and answering to the US MILITARY for your actions. But, if you all are like me, your sense of adventure supercedes your penchant for common sense. So... Here's a link to the BRAC office!!! They've got a list of most, if not all, of the installations closed since 1988 when the plan was instituted. Some of them might be worth checking out. None more black.. Freak  Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite  |  |  Re: US to close 100 military bases - news article <Reply # 19 on 10/18/2003 3:49 AM >   I'd tend to agree with Statik, the Ft. Greely base that was closed a few years ago kept nearly a full complement of security MPs on duty to keep the locals from looting (people were upset at losing their jobs, plus Alaskans naturally like to "salvage" stuff ). When Bush decided to use it to break some anti-ballistic missile treaties it was all ready to be re-opened and start pissing off the russians. Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 UER Forum > Archived UE Main > US to close 100 military bases - news article (Viewed 381 times) 1 2   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. 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