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Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York
No matter where you go, there you are...
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<Reply # 40 on 2/28/2006 12:07 AM >
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Thats interesting, your search on the law is more detailed than mine. In either case, unless they count the officer coming to my house and telling me I have to call everyday he was absent, I never received shit in the mail! Which shouldnt even matter because I DID call everytime he was staying home. On top of all of that, I remember when the SCHOOL called home when your kid didnt show up. The horrible truth is just now smacking me in the face, that if chester molester would have grabbed my kid on the way from the bus to the school doors, it would be SEVEN HOURS before I knew about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually the overcrowding is the fault of the so called "war on drugs", but dont get me started on that one, or I will never shut up!!!!
America is no longer such a "free" place as people proclaim it to be, in the last few years we have lost freedoms that even people in places we think are backwards have. And before someone decides to flame me for saying that, I have a bro in law that just returned from Iraq. I am not anti-our SONS AND DAUGHTERS. I am against why they are there and just want them home!
If I could easily move to another country, I would seriously consider it. But as all of my family is in the US, the only feasible place to go would be Canada. Its a very hard transition to make, especially for someone with a high school education!
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believe me, you aren't the only one considering a move north... it's terrible tales like this that make it more and more apparent that america has gone right down the fucking shitter.
Samurai
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Atrocity
Location: Plano
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 41 on 2/28/2006 1:18 AM >
| | | | Wow WTP, I'm really sorry to hear this, I hope everything works out for you.
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Weatherboy
Location: Erie, PA
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 42 on 2/28/2006 1:36 AM >
| | | | wow thats crazy I missed 37 days of school in 10th grade I never even got told it was a problem let alone my mum arrested. And my missed days were just because i didn't want to go no legal right to miss and never called just didn't go. Good luck with your case :\
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ex-goose-villager
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 43 on 2/28/2006 2:06 AM >
| | | | Posted by Walking Talking Poison
Thats interesting, your search on the law is more detailed than mine. In either case, unless they count the officer coming to my house and telling me I have to call everyday he was absent, I never received shit in the mail! Which shouldnt even matter because I DID call everytime he was staying home. On top of all of that, I remember when the SCHOOL called home when your kid didnt show up. The horrible truth is just now smacking me in the face, that if chester molester would have grabbed my kid on the way from the bus to the school doors, it would be SEVEN HOURS before I knew about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have some experience as a researcher; it also helps that I seem to have a knack for finding stuff online..... My layman's interpretation of the law, from the brief reading that I gave it, would back up your interpretation. It would appear that you were not given sufficient notification as required in the statute.
I have some additional material you may find of interest; I tried posting it in here, but the software truncated it (presumably due to its length). Please PM me with an email address where I can send it.
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America is no longer such a "free" place as people proclaim it to be, in the last few years we have lost freedoms that even people in places we think are backwards have. And before someone decides to flame me for saying that, I have a bro in law that just returned from Iraq. I am not anti-our SONS AND DAUGHTERS. I am against why they are there and just want them home!
If I could easily move to another country, I would seriously consider it. But as all of my family is in the US, the only feasible place to go would be Canada. Its a very hard transition to make, especially for someone with a high school education!
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I have a sneaking suspicion that if the 2006 mid-term elections do not give control of the House and Senate to the Democrats, i.e. if the Republicans are re-elected so as to retain control of both Houses, that America will become a defacto one-party state. If that occurs, then I expect a fair number of the American intelligensia to decide to move with their feet. Interest in emigration to Canada skyrocketed after the 2004 election; if the 2006 election goes again to the Republicans, then I expect that people will actually move.
EGV
Edit: removed legal case as it was truncated by posting software.
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"You're a catastrophe... On your watch we've lost almost all of our allies, the budget surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the city of New Orleans. Maybe your just not lucky. I'm not saying you don't love this country. I'm just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side. Yes, God does speak to you. And he's saying: Take a hint." B. Maher |
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res_novae
Location: NoVA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 44 on 2/28/2006 2:14 AM >
| | | | I've said it before, but I feel it needs more saying, Good luck with this, hope everything goes swiftly (and in your favor) and you can come back soon.
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desmet
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
| | | | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 45 on 2/28/2006 2:25 AM >
| | | | Posted by ex-goose-villager
I have a sneaking suspicion that if the 2006 mid-term elections do not give control of the House and Senate to the Democrats, i.e. if the Republicans are re-elected so as to retain control of both Houses, that America will become a defacto one-party state. If that occurs, then I expect a fair number of the American intelligensia to decide to move with their feet. |
What's so fucking great about the two parties we have now that makes our current situation any better? The Democrats are worthless pandering cowards that are pushing us down the EXACT same perilous road that the Republicans are pushing us down. I wouldn't hold my breath for the liberals to save us from ourselves.
Posted by ex-goose-villagerInterest in emigration to Canada skyrocketed after the 2004 election; if the 2006 election goes again to the Republicans, then I expect that people will actually move.
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Canada has plenty of dumb ass bullshit going on too. You're not free anywhere.
"There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." - Ayn Rand
[This thread is not about debating poltics, take it elsewhere guys. -Misfit]
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Team Leader
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Location: Uptown,downtown,all around.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 46 on 2/28/2006 4:05 AM >
| | | | WTP, best wishes, I spent 10 days in the columbus county stockade once because I couldn't pay a fine on the spot when it was given to me. Ex-goose has some very good advice I think you should listen to. I had another problem occur more recently similar to your own, although not the same, I perservered, documented, educated myself and went to court, I stood against a seasoned prosecutor and won. Believe in yourself and have confidence. Take care and good luck. T.L.
Death Sentence- Live to die (good ole one)
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this_guy
Location: Chicago suburbs
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 47 on 2/28/2006 4:49 AM >
| | | | I understand the intent of truancy laws, but this zero-tolerance stuff for anything school-related is ridiculous.
I went to a private school, so I guess my experiences were a little different. I almost never missed days. Even when I was sick, I had to be really sick to skip school. Anyway, I generally got good grades, and I remember missing a week of school on two occasions, once during fourth and the other during seventh grade, as I recall. High school was the same, minus the vacations. One day I did go "missing" though. Our schedules alternated every other day, and I went to study hall instead of art class. The school called my parents and sent students searching the building.
Schools need to take responsibility for students but at the same time not be so stupid about enforcing the rules. I guess that's one of the benefits of private schools. Parents pay the salaries rather than taxpayers and there are generally fewer students, so the administration is more understanding.
As for your arrest, it sounds like the police assumed you were the sort of person truancy laws are actually meant to target and treated you as such. But you're smarter than parents who don't understand the value of school, presumably because they didn't go, and hopefully you're resourceful and determined enough to fight the system.
That said, the system is the way it is, and it shouldn't really be that hard to comply. I'm all about civil disobedience, but only when others aren't adversely affected and the rewards outweight the risks. Bullies don't come and go from day to day. How does missing a day help? If your husband is a heavy sleeper, buy him a louder alarm clock. My brother is a heavy sleeper and has an alarm clock that would wake the dead. I can't comment on the lice, but you probably handled that well from what I hear about getting rid of lice. As for the flu, I've gone to school and work sick before and I'll do it again. Not vomiting frequently sick, but sick enough that I'm not at full capacity. I have seasonal allergies, so I've learned to deal with not feeling well all the time. If your son was that sick for eight days, shouldn't he have seen a doctor, and wouldn't a written note from the doctor be adequate justification?
Let me restate. I think schools need to take more responsibility in some situations (a possible advantage of private schools), zero tolerance is zero intelligence, and your treatment by the police was injust. I don't, however, agree with all your reasons for keeping your son out of school, and I'm speaking not as a parent but as someone who likes to think he remember what grade school and high school were like.
"Every sound shall end in silence, but the silence never dies." - from Samuel Miller Hagemen, found written on the wall of an abandoned building |
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meggaman
Location: victoria
Gender: Male
Hmmm,,what does this button do,,
| | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 48 on 2/28/2006 5:24 AM >
| | | | Yes Folks
CANADA ,,Our Home And Native Land ,, Land Of The Free ,,
[over taxed ,,but free,,]
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Walking Talking Poison
Location: Big Island, Hawaii
Gender: Female
| | | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 49 on 2/28/2006 12:39 PM >
| | | | | That said, the system is the way it is, and it shouldn't really be that hard to comply. I'm all about civil disobedience, but only when others aren't adversely affected and the rewards outweight the risks. Bullies don't come and go from day to day. How does missing a day help? |
You have to remember my son is 6 years old. This was his first encounter with a bully and I wasnt aware of the situation until I was trying to put him on the bus and he was screaming and crying. So yes, I let him stay home so I could talk to him about how to handle himself.
| If your husband is a heavy sleeper, buy him a louder alarm clock. My brother is a heavy sleeper and has an alarm clock that would wake the dead. |
Yeah ok, that one was my bad and I should have known better, but being 5 minutes late to kindergaten, in my opinion, is not going to do him a world of harm.
| As for the flu, I've gone to school and work sick before and I'll do it again. Not vomiting frequently sick, but sick enough that I'm not at full capacity. I have seasonal allergies, so I've learned to deal with not feeling well all the time. |
Yes we have all done it, and if he was in High School I might agree with you. You have to understand at the first sign of a fever or throwing up, they send them to the nurses office and then home, so theres really no point.
| If your son was that sick for eight days, shouldn't he have seen a doctor, and wouldn't a written note from the doctor be adequate justification? |
No and No. The flu is just the flu, all the doctor would have said is to give him a fever reducer, and make sure he got plenty of rest and fluids. Also, a woman just lost her appeal on a compulsory attendance arrest because of the fact her child was HOSPITALIZED. If thats not a good reason, I dont know what is!
I dont mind your opinions at all, Im just trying to answer your questions 
As for the Canada stuff, at least your people dont stay in office as long if they dont get at least half the vote. And as far as I know your Prime Minister is not currently sending people overseas to their deaths daily just to put a little more oil money in his pockets. NO country is ideal, but Im looking for the lesser of 2 evils here.
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journeylady
Location: Kitchener
Gender: Female
| | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 50 on 2/28/2006 5:34 PM >
| | | | Come on up to Canada WTP is you were to come to my area I'd do my best to give you a hand.
What's happening to you is bull and part of the many many things that disgust me about the US of A. Don't know if you're religious at all but my prayers are with you and your family.
It's a tragedy.
It's exactly like a greek tragedy.
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| |  | | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 51 on 2/28/2006 6:33 PM >
| | | | I'm not sure how this works but can't the charges be thrown out because they arrested you without reading your right and not showing any form of warrant, from what I know those are two VERY big no nos for cops.. I'd go after them and at worst you get them all fired at best you get charges dropped due to thier screwup.. but I'd make sure on those before you try it as it'll only piss'em off..
In any case though good luck with all this legal BS
[gotta love typos..]
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this_guy
Location: Chicago suburbs
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 52 on 2/28/2006 6:49 PM >
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You have to remember my son is 6 years old. This was his first encounter with a bully and I wasnt aware of the situation until I was trying to put him on the bus and he was screaming and crying. So yes, I let him stay home so I could talk to him about how to handle himself.
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As long as it doesn't happen so often that your son comes to believe avoiding the bully is a solution, I suppose your response was reasonable. As for avoiding the bullies, it helps to have some big kids looking out for you. I was never popular during school, but I wasn't that unpopular either. I don't remember exactly how I did it. I do remember one time during middle school, I think, having gym class in the park and playing football. Somehow I got put on the defensive line against a kid way bigger than me. He expected me to just move to the side, but I didn't. He trampled over me, and when he came back to ask if I was okay, I was laughing. I think stuff like that gains their respect. Or pity, but I don't think that's what it was. Otherwise it's important to not respond the way bullies want. Ignoring them might work, or fighting back might work, but anything in between is asking for more bullying.
Yeah ok, that one was my bad and I should have known better, but being 5 minutes late to kindergaten, in my opinion, is not going to do him a world of harm.
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Probably not, but if it contributed to your legal trouble, it harmed you. Remember I don't agree with the law in this case. I'm just saying I don't completely agree with you either.
Yes we have all done it, and if he was in High School I might agree with you. You have to understand at the first sign of a fever or throwing up, they send them to the nurses office and then home, so theres really no point.
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I can't help but think that either the kid's healthy enough to go to school or sick enough to have a good excuse not to go. If he approaches the limit for absences again, I guess you'll have to let the school decide to send him home. With any luck he'll puke in the office.
No and No. The flu is just the flu, all the doctor would have said is to give him a fever reducer, and make sure he got plenty of rest and fluids. Also, a woman just lost her appeal on a compulsory attendance arrest because of the fact her child was HOSPITALIZED. If thats not a good reason, I dont know what is!
I dont mind your opinions at all, Im just trying to answer your questions
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The flu is just the flu except when it's strep throat, a sinus infection, or something else that should be treated with a prescription. Eight days is a long time to be that sick. As for the woman with the child that was being hospitalized, I suspect there was more to the case.
"Every sound shall end in silence, but the silence never dies." - from Samuel Miller Hagemen, found written on the wall of an abandoned building |
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<Reply # 54 on 2/28/2006 8:40 PM >
| | | | Why the sudden need to interrogate her?
"I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window."
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Walking Talking Poison
Location: Big Island, Hawaii
Gender: Female
| | | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 55 on 2/28/2006 9:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by journeylady
Come on up to Canada WTP is you were to come to my area I'd do my best to give you a hand.
What's happening to you is bull and part of the many many things that disgust me about the US of A. Don't know if you're religious at all but my prayers are with you and your family.
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Aww thanks hun, that is sweet!
| As for avoiding the bullies, it helps to have some big kids looking out for you. I was never popular during school, but I wasn't that unpopular either. |
The problem was that it was a much larger and older kid picking on him. The boy is twice my son's size. It would have been different if the kid was in the same class, but 4 grades above him is a big difference, esp at that age.
| The flu is just the flu except when it's strep throat, a sinus infection, or something else that should be treated with a prescription. Eight days is a long time to be that sick. As for the woman with the child that was being hospitalized, I suspect there was more to the case. |
True but he didnt have strep throat or anything else. The fact that the flu was going around was in all the papers and the news. Strep and other infections have much different characteristics than the flu. Antibiotics are one of the WORST things you can do if it truly is the flu because all it will do is mutate the virus and everyone gets to catch it again, fun fun!
Here is one case where the judge refused a continuance so that the medical notes could be brought into the courtroom
http://72.14.207.1...0&client=firefox-a
I cant find the one due to hospitalization at the moment, should have bookmarked it I guess.
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CowboyPenner
Location: Durham Region or anywhere that I might end up while travelling
Gender: Male
URBEXMobile
| | | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 56 on 2/28/2006 10:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by ex-goose-villager
I have some experience as a researcher; it also helps that I seem to have a knack for finding stuff online.
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I was gonna ask what you do for living as your knowledge of the law is very thorough.
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this_guy
Location: Chicago suburbs
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 57 on 3/1/2006 12:14 AM >
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The problem was that it was a much larger and older kid picking on him. The boy is twice my son's size. It would have been different if the kid was in the same class, but 4 grades above him is a big difference, esp at that age.
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I'd recommend informing the school and the other kid's parents. You're right, four years is a huge difference at that age.
True but he didnt have strep throat or anything else. The fact that the flu was going around was in all the papers and the news. Strep and other infections have much different characteristics than the flu. Antibiotics are one of the WORST things you can do if it truly is the flu because all it will do is mutate the virus and everyone gets to catch it again, fun fun!
Here is one case where the judge refused a continuance so that the medical notes could be brought into the courtroom
http://72.14.207.1...0&client=firefox-a
I cant find the one due to hospitalization at the moment, should have bookmarked it I guess.
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I still think any kid so sick as to miss six days of school should see a doctor. Or let the school decide if he's too sick. As for the case you found, doctor appointments usually don't warrant missing the entire day, and the in-school suspension for violating the dress code is inexcusable. I know it's not the case you were looking for, and I still don't agree with the laws, but it really isn't that hard to comply.
"Every sound shall end in silence, but the silence never dies." - from Samuel Miller Hagemen, found written on the wall of an abandoned building |
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 58 on 3/1/2006 12:29 AM >
| | | | Posted by this_guy
I'd recommend informing the school and the other kid's parents. You're right, four years is a huge difference at that age.
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Our school guidelines specifically stated that you *must* inform the school for any absences with a specific reason.
I still think any kid so sick as to miss six days of school should see a doctor. Or let the school decide if he's too sick. As for the case you found, doctor appointments usually don't warrant missing the entire day, and the in-school suspension for violating the dress code is inexcusable. I know it's not the case you were looking for, and I still don't agree with the laws, but it really isn't that hard to comply.
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A doctor's execuse, for any illness, was required if it was over two days.
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simmorill
Location: Toronto
Gender: Female
Go big or go home.
| | Re: Why I must say Goodbye for now!
<Reply # 59 on 3/1/2006 12:44 AM >
| | | | WTP, I will miss you. I am praying for you and your family, and I hope that this goes well for you. I hate the fact that the laws are trying to say that the government is better at raising children than parents are, and that parents aren't doing it right. That's just dumb. You have the benefit of logic on your side. It may not be much, but it's something.
Also, It may be colder, but we have (mostly) free health care, and a (in my opinion) more balanced outlook on parents vs. government. If you want, you can crash on my couch, and I'll help you find a job. Just bring mittens.
And a scarf.
And a space heater.
I wish you the best, and our prayers are with you.
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