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<Reply # 20 on 3/28/2006 12:06 AM >
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That drain looks old school. Do what you gotta do. I've been in enough drains like that and didn't know that Hydrogen Sulphide was used in the production of heavy water, maybe that's why I'm still here.
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Bacteria can form it, some live on it. It can be found at some industrial sites.
Why your here? Could it be dumb luck?
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junkyard
 
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
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<Reply # 21 on 3/28/2006 11:09 PM >
| | | | I guess I'm just too dumb to die. Either that or I just sit around armchair exploring or just doing the easy shit. Action Squad and the Beer Command must just have super human powers to go where they go, like methane filled sewers with poop up to your waist and the like. We in the Twin Cities group have always thought that maybe we just didn't try hard enough until we realized there was exploring outside Minnesota. I wouldn't call it dumb luck, the Command has invested more money in safety equipment than some peoples cars. Wait til Melody Gilbert's documentary comes out, you even get to see us indestructible SOB's in action Also I put more credibility in real world situations than hypothetical textbook situations. I've been in enough places to know what can and can't be done and what equipment it will take to do it if it can't be done.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
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blackhawk
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<Reply # 22 on 3/28/2006 11:26 PM >
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I guess I'm just too dumb to die. -//- I've been in enough places to know what can and can't be done and what equipment it will take to do it if it can't be done.
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In cartoons you can change the laws of nature. In the real world those laws are immutable. The results are final, and painfully real.
-god has a wicked sense of humor-
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
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<Reply # 23 on 3/29/2006 3:19 PM >
| | | | I don't think you quite get it. I don't bend any laws of nature. I'm just not that cool. But there are ways to use them to your advantage. And if every piece of poop had the abibity to make deadly amounts of poison gas, half of the TC folks should be dead according to your statements. We're all still here, must be a miracle. There are quite a few places you can only get to through the sewer. Sometimes you have to walk two miles through stagnant poop. You should see what's planned for our next sewer trip through a river of Mach 5 flowing poop in a rather large interceptor. That's one thing I've noticed about many of the newer people on this site. They talk about exploring, but don't actually do much of it, and what they do manage to do is some pretty lame stuff. That's cool and all, to each his own. But in the Cities exploring is a different game, we take this stuff seriously. We rappel 50 ft. into sewers on a regular basis, or sometimes more in burried building subbasements that have been demolished for over 80 years and are only accessible through a vast tunnel network or another rappel off a 80 ft bluff in plain sight of everyone and their uncle downtown. Sometimes we go through the spooky and mysterious 'Florida Door' We even have a Beer Command agent in Florida now While not urban exploring, last summer 8 of us went wheeling and checking out mines and such out west, 5 of us climbed Devil's Tower. Didn't bend any laws of nature there either. Between me and MacGuyver we had over $4000 in climbing gear. We build special gear just for some missions, which requires alot of planning and scouting, not to mention Freak and Mr. X's frequent trips to the library pouring over old maps and books. Everyone has different qualities, some overlap, but we all come together with the best ones suited for the missions at hand. So if you think we just go and get drunk and do stuff willy-nilly, you've been misinformed. Drinking is for tunnels and abandoned buildings. The serious near-death shit demands that the beer comes after. So if you still think you know something I'm giving you an invitation to explore in TC area, you can even bring your books.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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blackhawk
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<Reply # 24 on 3/29/2006 4:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by junkyard
I don't think you quite get it. I don't bend any laws of nature. I'm just not that cool. But there are ways to use them to your advantage. And if every piece of poop had the abibity to make deadly amounts of poison gas, half of the TC folks should be dead according to your statements. We're all still here, must be a miracle. There are quite a few places you can only get to through the sewer. Sometimes you have to walk two miles through stagnant poop. You should see what's planned for our next sewer trip through a river of Mach 5 flowing poop in a rather large interceptor. That's one thing I've noticed about many of the newer people on this site. They talk about exploring, but don't actually do much of it, and what they do manage to do is some pretty lame stuff. That's cool and all, to each his own. But in the Cities exploring is a different game, we take this stuff seriously. We rappel 50 ft. into sewers on a regular basis, or sometimes more in burried building subbasements that have been demolished for over 80 years and are only accessible through a vast tunnel network or another rappel off a 80 ft bluff in plain sight of everyone and their uncle downtown. Sometimes we go through the spooky and mysterious 'Florida Door' We even have a Beer Command agent in Florida now While not urban exploring, last summer 8 of us went wheeling and checking out mines and such out west, 5 of us climbed Devil's Tower. Didn't bend any laws of nature there either. Between me and MacGuyver we had over $4000 in climbing gear. We build special gear just for some missions, which requires alot of planning and scouting, not to mention Freak and Mr. X's frequent trips to the library pouring over old maps and books. Everyone has different qualities, some overlap, but we all come together with the best ones suited for the missions at hand. So if you think we just go and get drunk and do stuff willy-nilly, you've been misinformed. Drinking is for tunnels and abandoned buildings. The serious near-death shit demands that the beer comes after. So if you still think you know something I'm giving you an invitation to explore in TC area, you can even bring your books.
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What's all that got to do with air quality? Conditions vary underground. In confined areas with poor ventilation, and/or sites with hazardous materials you better know what your dealing with, and when to walk away. Organic organisms can and do create toxic gases and environments hazardous to human life. That includes sewers with organic waste. I did my homework, and remembered it.
-equipment is no substitute for wisdom-
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
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<Reply # 25 on 3/29/2006 5:03 PM >
| | | | If equipment is no substitute for wisdom then sewer workers are a bunch of darn fools. In fact SCUBA divers are morons too since everyone knows you can't breathe under water. And everyone knows if you jump off of a cliff you will die. Yet my rope keeps me safe, it's like FM or something. And if all sewers with organic waste are deadly how come none of the TC crowd is dead yet or even gotten sick? Have you ever been in a sewer? Have you ever been in a dangerous environment? Or do you just sit there reading books and never go outside because of all the dangers? I'm not saying throw caution to the wind, just that there is no substitute for experience. I do alot of things some people consider dangerous, but with a little common sense the dangers can be lowered to a tolerable level.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Air Quality Question
<Reply # 26 on 3/29/2006 5:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by junkyard
If equipment is no substitute for wisdom then sewer workers are a bunch of darn fools. In fact SCUBA divers are morons too since everyone knows you can't breathe under water. And everyone knows if you jump off of a cliff you will die. Yet my rope keeps me safe, it's like FM or something. And if all sewers with organic waste are deadly how come none of the TC crowd is dead yet or even gotten sick? Have you ever been in a sewer? Have you ever been in a dangerous environment? Or do you just sit there reading books and never go outside because of all the dangers? I'm not saying throw caution to the wind, just that there is no substitute for experience. I do alot of things some people consider dangerous, but with a little common sense the dangers can be lowered to a tolerable level.
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I've worked as a structural steel painter. I've blasted/sprayed with airless inside tanks with Bitumastic and epoxy/MEK based paints (flammable, and toxic) using airfed hoods, on rigging 90 feet high. I've blasted and painted at refineries. I've done rigging with steel cable in tanks with temps exceeding 120 degrees. I've worked environments more hostile than your describing. Professionally. Using more and better rigging equipment than your describing.
-tank painters get high on the job-
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blackhawk
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| | | Re: Air Quality Question
<Reply # 27 on 3/30/2006 3:48 AM >
| | | | There have been numerous case reports of human deaths after single exposures to high concentrations (>700 mg/m3) of hydrogen sulfide gas .
Three men lost consciousness and died after entering a sewer containing high concentrations of hydrogen sulfide; cyanosis and pulmonary oedema were noted at autopsy (Adelson & Sunshine, 1966). After being exposed to hydrogen sulfide in a bathroom connected to a manure pit, a man developed nausea, vomiting, dizziness, and dyspnoea and died a few hours later; haemorrhagic bronchitis and asphyxiation were noted as the cause of death (Parra et al., 1991). Two maintenance workers at a tanning company collapsed and died no more than 45 min after entering a sewer manhole; a hydrogen sulfide concentration of 280 mg/m3 was measured just inside the manhole 6 days after the accident (NIOSH, 1991). A worker at a poultry feather processing plant died after being exposed to hydrogen sulfide gas for an estimated 15–20 min (Breysse, 1961). Testing performed later in the area where the exposure occurred indicated that the hydrogen sulfide concentrations ranged from 2800 to 5600 mg/m3. Pulmonary, intracranial, and cerebral oedema and cyanosis were noted at autopsy.
Full article: http://www.inchem....cicads/cicad53.htm
-Shit can kill-
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