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1 2 3   UER Forum > Archived US: Great Lakes > Odd Email (Viewed 2266 times) Monkey-Rat  Location: Chicago, Illinois Gender: Male Mischief Maker  |  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 20 on 12/28/2005 10:01 PM >   I was interviewed about dumpster diving, and I was talking about Food not Bombs, the Working Bikes bicycle collective, and Free Geek. I was completely left out of the article, which ended up being centered around one person, and because of him, they labeled dumpster divers as "socialists"! That makes me really upset. I don't trust reporters. "While there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free." - Eugene V. Debs this_guy  Location: Chicago suburbs Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 21 on 12/29/2005 5:42 AM >   Posted by Wabbit Other security officials around Milwaukee said they are not aware of urban explorers venturing into abandoned buildings or tunnels. "I'm really skeptical of whether this is occurring," said William Fadrowski, chairman of the Downtown Security Network Association, a group of more than 100 security directors from public and private places downtown. The best part is as mentioned in the article, Fadrowski is public safety director at MSOE, which tore down their "C building" last year. I was an MSOE student at the time and numerous fellow students expressed interest in seeing the place. I have quite a few pictures because I had just gotten a digital camera that Christmas. I developed my interest in UE right under Fadrowski's nose. I guess it just means UErs in Milwaukee don't cause trouble and usually don't get caught, which is always good news. Posted by moreebolaforyou I thought that quote was pretty funny. Also pretty funny that I was POSSIBLY in pfister and vogel last night when the article came out, and i had no idea it was out there. good thing i made it out alright. i'm sure things might be tight around there for awhile. Unfortunately, your chances of encountering scavengers at P&V are probably better than getting busted by security or police. I don't think this article is going to improve the situation much. EDIT: P&V pics from 1978 for comparison http://www.uwm.edu/Library/digilib/Milwaukee/images/mayer/me000441xl.jpg http://www.uwm.edu/Library/digilib/Milwaukee/images/mayer/me000442xl.jpg http://www.uwm.edu/Library/digilib/Milwaukee/images/mayer/me000443xl.jpg [last edit 12/29/2005 5:57 AM by this_guy - edited 1 times] "Every sound shall end in silence, but the silence never dies." - from Samuel Miller Hagemen, found written on the wall of an abandoned building moreebolaforyou   |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 22 on 12/30/2005 2:42 PM >   Those pictures are awesome. Look at the mural on Schlitz! I've always wondered if that place had been abandoned for any length of time. It looks pretty interesting. Anyway, I'm just mostly concerned about P&V being under closer scrutiny. Mostly because I live close, it's an easy quick visit any time of the day basically, and it's very visually interesting for photography. I have a big project I'm working on, and I need a lot more photos. Certain other places here in Milwaukee require so much effort and time to accomplish. Chuck  Location: Chicago Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 23 on 12/30/2005 5:31 PM >   Well, so much for hassle free exploring in Milwaukee!!! Don't say the people here didn't warn you. Chuck Sometimes if you want to see a change for the better, you have to take things into your own hands. - Clint Eastwood this_guy  Location: Chicago suburbs Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 24 on 12/30/2005 8:46 PM >   Posted by Chuck Well, so much for hassle free exploring in Milwaukee!!! Hassle free? Like before the article when Andy and another urban explorer had 7 squad cars, 3 unmarked cars, 2 police SUVs, and the TEU (SWAT team) sent after them? Of the two locations mentioned in the article, one is secure enough to keep vandals and scavengers out (but not necessarily UErs), and the other, P&V, could use a little extra security. "Every sound shall end in silence, but the silence never dies." - from Samuel Miller Hagemen, found written on the wall of an abandoned building Chuck  Location: Chicago Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 25 on 12/30/2005 9:49 PM >   You are right, hassle free was probably a bit extreme. My point is that they had no idea UE existed, now they do. Although I am pretty sure that UE was covered in the Homeland Security guide. See what happens, I'm sure you guys have other locations that were not mentioned. We should set up a get together, Chicago can invade Milwaukee one weekend and the cheeseheads can invade Chicago one weekend. After football season of course!! Happy New Year, Chuck Sometimes if you want to see a change for the better, you have to take things into your own hands. - Clint Eastwood oh-ten  Location: San Francisco CA Gender: Male  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 26 on 12/31/2005 11:36 PM >   did anyone find this hilarious? "If these kids are doing it, how come some al-Qaida terrorist can't be shoving fiber optic telecommunication cables in there," said Buetow, who learned of urban explorers when Hamilton was arrested. "Unfortunately we have some landlords who don't care enough to keep the buildings secure enough to keep them out." what point would there be in shoving fiber optic cables in an abandoned building... i mean its not like theyd hide a satellite uplink on the roof or something and im pretty sure terrorists have more important agendas then hiding in old tanneries in milwaukee. Plus if anything its obvious terrorists arent using fancy communications since clinton almost fired missles up bin laden's ass in 98. but with security personnel like these... this_guy  Location: Chicago suburbs Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 27 on 1/1/2006 8:35 PM >   The location referenced actually had relatively good security. All ground-level entrances were sealed and a guard watched the area, even walking patrols occasionally. As for fiber optic cable, if terrorists wanted to communicate in the downtown Milwaukee area, they'd pick up free wireless from a park, college, restaurant, or bar and encrypt their communications. The public internet is so much more reliable, cheaper, and easier to use. I find it more disturbing than funny how clueless the police are about terrorism. If terrorists wanted to do anything in the Milwaukee area involving fiber, they'd find a few small buildings that house DOT fiber patch panels. The DOT leases their fiber for use as Milwaukee's internet backbone, so crippling the city's communications wouldn't be difficult. "Every sound shall end in silence, but the silence never dies." - from Samuel Miller Hagemen, found written on the wall of an abandoned building carbonatedwater  Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Gender: Male Gee your girlfriend is fat.  |  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 28 on 1/2/2006 8:42 PM >   That email was a genuine email for an article. Here is the article link for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal... http://www.jsonlin...o/dec05/380898.asp edit:fixed link - Krenta [last edit 1/5/2006 9:22 AM by Krenta - edited 1 times] katwoman  Location: Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN Gender: Female  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 29 on 1/3/2006 6:46 PM >   "You could burn yourself on a pipe," said Pamela Hodermann, chief of police at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, where, years ago, the underground steam tunnels were a favorite of explorers. Ha ha ha ha ha!! It's a decent article. Decent. Chuck  Location: Chicago Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 30 on 1/10/2006 5:18 PM >   Did you guys catch the "response" to this article? Some people just don't get it! I assume this is from an editorial section of the paper or something. Chuck Weekly laurels and laments From the Journal Sentinel Posted: Dec. 30, 2005 They call themselves "urban explorers," but that moniker puts an exceptionally positive spin on their activities. Really, they are trespassers on property owned by someone else and not the amateur historians or archeologists they imagine themselves to be. According to a report by the Journal Sentinel's Raquel Rutledge, they venture into deserted buildings both for the thrill of exploration and the desire to make a photographic record that they indeed visited the spot. It's an international phenomenon with local proponents, although some experts doubt that it is widespread here. Whatever the case, anyone interested in "exploring" a seemingly abandoned site should remember that someone very likely owns it. And that if it is not being used, the trespassers are putting themselves at great risk of injury for a few minutes of misbegotten thrills. Sometimes if you want to see a change for the better, you have to take things into your own hands. - Clint Eastwood this_guy  Location: Chicago suburbs Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 31 on 1/12/2006 4:52 AM >   ...they are trespassers on property owned by someone else... ...anyone interested in "exploring" a seemingly abandoned site should remember that someone very likely owns it. I consider myself a libertarian, so I take property rights very seriously, but I really don't understand why people should have a problem with what we do. Whoever wrote that is just making up excuses. To paraphrase Ninjalicious, people made their own fun when they were kids, why can't they now? "Every sound shall end in silence, but the silence never dies." - from Samuel Miller Hagemen, found written on the wall of an abandoned building utlagi  Location: Ann Arbor, MI Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 32 on 1/12/2006 8:58 PM >   I mostly liked that article. Good job reporter. But still, you're probably going to get tons more security on sites now... The rules are simple. Don't destroy anything, don't vandalize, don't steal. Leave everything _exactly_ as you found it. Use pictures as your souvenirs. DiVaMoNKeY  Location: Grundy County, IL Gender: Female I pushed with all my might; I pushed with all my love.  |  |  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 33 on 1/18/2006 5:13 PM >   i take offense that the media should be avoided "like the plague" seeing as i am a reporter for a local paper. i have been working on a UE story for the past several weeks, but have been very careful not to reveal locations, promote trespassing or influence taggers. i just wanted to write something about a sport that interests so many, including myself. i think that if a reporter gets assigned a story like this, without having any UE experience, that's different. but as a UE enthusiast, i know what lines not to cross. peace I know more about blood than you Celluloid  Location: Chicago Northside Gender: Female  |  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 34 on 1/18/2006 5:34 PM >   Posted by DiVaMoNKeY i take offense that the media should be avoided "like the plague" seeing as i am a reporter for a local paper. but as a UE enthusiast, i know what lines not to cross. But being in the media, you also know what douches a lot of your cohorts are. Sure, you're going to do a good job - but how many reporters out of the thousands in the nation do you think have your hobby? The world of un-biased, by the facts media is gone. That's why I got out of it. I personally have been mis-quoted by (of all agencies) CNN. I was made out to be a satan worshiper and almost got expelled from my high school and fired from my job. As you're the one writing the story, I'd assume you're researching it and the locations yourself. Of course you're going to keep things all DL. Someone else who "just came upon" a new site through their sources probably aren't. You can't tell me you never once leaked a juicy piece of celeb gossip to a "close, trustworthy friend". I'm suprised that you're offended by the assertion that media should be avoided. For one, I would hope you have thicker skin than that. But mostly, I would hope you can see both sides of this and realise that most reporters are out for that "infotainment", sensationlist story - even if it means not portraying UE'ers in the most positive light. Pravus  Location: Chicago Area Gender: Male Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...  |  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 35 on 1/18/2006 5:51 PM >   Posted by Celluloid You can't tell me you never once leaked a juicy piece of celeb gossip to a "close, trustworthy friend". Actually I can.. But that aside the Media doesn't do anything for the good.. so why not avoid them? all they can hope to do is put UE in the spotlight which is bad because it's something that most people will never understand.. Pretty much it's a hobby you can't understand the fun in unless you partake in it.. That aside everyone always looking for "juicy gossip" which means controversy, so they shit on everyone making controversy because it sells.. In this case UE is the little guy, people always shit on the little guy.. Live to Serve, Serve to Live.. Celluloid  Location: Chicago Northside Gender: Female  |  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 36 on 1/18/2006 6:01 PM >   Posted by Pravus Actually I can.. Then you're a better man than any I have known. this_guy  Location: Chicago suburbs Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 37 on 1/18/2006 10:24 PM >   Posted by Pravus Pretty much it's a hobby you can't understand the fun in unless you partake in it.. Some of us including myself knew about and to some degree understood UE before partaking in it. "Every sound shall end in silence, but the silence never dies." - from Samuel Miller Hagemen, found written on the wall of an abandoned building DiVaMoNKeY  Location: Grundy County, IL Gender: Female I pushed with all my might; I pushed with all my love.  |  |  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 38 on 1/19/2006 12:20 AM >   Jeez, you guys are acting like I write for the Washington Post. I am a freelance writer for a small newspaper in rural areas of Will/Kankakee county. I haven't leaked any juicy info on celebrities, unless the girl from peotone who was on American Idol last night counts. If you all hate the media so much, then don't watch the news, and when shit goes down, don't read the paper to find out what happened since we're all a bunch of secretive, manipulating jerks. Sorry to be so blunt, but do NOT lump me into a category that i don't even belong to. Have a lovely day and you can quote me on that! Peace I know more about blood than you Celluloid  Location: Chicago Northside Gender: Female  |  |  |  Re: Odd Email <Reply # 39 on 1/19/2006 4:16 AM >   Actually, if you read, you were lumped into the "sure, you're doing a good job" category. [[EDIT: Unless you're the one that wrote the article in question. Then I'd have to say you're not... Eh... You get what I'm sayin...]] To be so blunt, I don't watch the news or read the paper. I used to make the news and paper and it now disgusts me. Except for crossword puzzles. I grab the crossword puzzle from my co-worker that gets the Tribune. Now THERE is some secretive, manipulating crap. 5 letter word for "horse"? Could it be "horse"? [last edit 1/19/2006 4:36 AM by Celluloid - edited 1 times] UER Forum > Archived US: Great Lakes > Odd Email (Viewed 2266 times)  1 2 3   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site: UER CONTACT View Terms of Service | View Privacy Policy | Server colocation provided by Beanfield This page was generated for you in 91 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 740163336 pages have been generated.