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 lokiplease
  
Location: Sarasota, Florida [soon to be Orlando, Florida]
Gender: Female
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< on 11/22/2005 5:54 PM >
|  | | | I'm thinking of exploring an abandoned barn. Normally, this wouldn't be a problem. The part that worries me is the barbed wire fence, and the sign warning that there are still animals in the area.
The sign said, if I recall, something like "agricultural crime watch 141, no hunting, no fishing." That would seem to indicate that people are more of a danger to the animals than the animals are to people. However, there's an area like this near my house, and the animals in question are easily aggravated, sometimes vicious...not the kind of thing I'd like to run into while exploring.
Does anyone know anything about what creatures I might run across in south Florida, and how I can tell what lives behind that fence? Also, would there be a greater penalty than usual for being caught there, even if I don't have anything with me that could harm the animals?
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Warchyld
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Personal Text
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<Reply # 1 on 11/22/2005 6:47 PM >
| | | | hrmm... florida... dangerous animals... what could they be?
^_^
What kind of place is this?
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SpookyDan
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
Gender: Male
Reality Hacker
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<Reply # 2 on 11/22/2005 7:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by Warchyld
hrmm... florida... dangerous animals... what could they be?
^_^
What kind of place is this?
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mace will stop most animals... just watch the crocodile hunter for tactics to handle larger animals. 
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res_novae
Location: NoVA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 3 on 11/23/2005 1:11 AM >
| | | | Seriously, put 3 or 4 rocks in a backpack. If its anything really big, ignore it, but if it threatens, get your rocks out.
This is going to sound wierd, but if you encounter a large angry animal, and there's no alternatives (jumping fence, running, mace, etc...) just jump up and down screaming and looking big and throwing shit at it. Most animals will run.
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FoxTwoFoxTwo
Location: Clarksville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
I'm an explorer who photographs...
| | | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 4 on 11/23/2005 1:36 AM >
|  | | | Posted by res_novae
Seriously, put 3 or 4 rocks in a backpack. If its anything really big, ignore it, but if it threatens, get your rocks out.
This is going to sound wierd, but if you encounter a large angry animal, and there's no alternatives (jumping fence, running, mace, etc...) just jump up and down screaming and looking big and throwing shit at it. Most animals will run.
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That, or rip your arms off...
I agree about the mace though. A low voltage tazer will work on short haired animals.
Or just be very stealthy!
Bringing exploration to Clarksville.
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Ronin House
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 5 on 11/23/2005 4:07 AM >
| | | | The vast majority of animals are considerably more frightened of you than you are of they.
There is one VERY notable exception to that rule: the Cottonmouth Snake.
If this is a location with a lot of standing water, be very very careful. Cottonmouths are notoriously aggressive. They have been know to actually chase and attack people. Thier venom is not something you are likely to survive if you are alone and out in the sticks.
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lokiplease
Location: Sarasota, Florida [soon to be Orlando, Florida]
Gender: Female
silent hill! <3
| | | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 6 on 11/23/2005 4:51 AM >
| | | | Posted by Ronin House
The vast majority of animals are considerably more frightened of you than you are of they.
There is one VERY notable exception to that rule: the Cottonmouth Snake.
If this is a location with a lot of standing water, be very very careful. Cottonmouths are notoriously aggressive. They have been know to actually chase and attack people. Thier venom is not something you are likely to survive if you are alone and out in the sticks.
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That's actually reassuring. There is some water around, but not a lot, and I plan to stay away from it. I really like your signature, by the way...
Anyway, to specify, I'm most worried about big animals, bulls and the like. I guess there's a good chance that I could scare them away, but do you suppose it'd be less dangerous to encounter them in daylight or at night? We actually jumped the fence to scout out this place when we first found it, then turned back because I was afraid my flashlight might agitate anything we might come across.
I also wonder...what exactly would the animals think of us, if they aren't used to being around people? I'd imagine they'd be frightened, maybe aggressive. But is there a chance that they wouldn't see people as a threat if no person had ever hurt them before?
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res_novae
Location: NoVA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 7 on 11/23/2005 4:58 AM >
| | | | Actually, as long as you have a cell phone, you should be fine from a copperhead/cottonmouth/rattlesnake bite. Their venom is a hemotoxin, which attacks blood cells, tissue, and muscles, making it less likely to kill you(rattlesnake being the exception) than the neurotoxins of coral snakes and members of the cobra family. However, digit and limb loss can be a major problem with hemotoxic snakes like most of the pit viper family (Rattlers, Cottonmouths, Copperheads.)
Take safety in knowing that since 1948, there has not been a recorded death in Virginia from a copperhead bite. And the fact below.
" Each year, approximately 8,000 venomous snakebites occur in the United States. Between 1960 and 1990, no more than 12 fatalities from snake venom poisoning were reported annually. Most snakebites occur between April and October, when outdoor activities are popular."
http://www.aafp.or...20020401/1367.html
Some nice reading.
If you are to get bit, the best thing to do is to relax (easier said than done), and call an ambulance. The calmer you are, the slower the venom will spread.
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lokiplease
Location: Sarasota, Florida [soon to be Orlando, Florida]
Gender: Female
silent hill! <3
| | | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 8 on 11/23/2005 5:05 AM >
| | | | Though it wasn't my intention in starting this thread, I'm really a lot more confident about running into snakes now. I always got nervous about that when we'd have to go through woods or tall grass...other people would be afraid of ghosts or vagrants with knives; I'd be terrified of a garden snake. But it's nice to know that I'll be all right as long as I keep carrying the one tool I never explore without: my cell phone.
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res_novae
Location: NoVA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 9 on 11/23/2005 5:08 AM >
| | | | Ya, also, good fact to know.
90% of all snakebites from a venemous snake are those from a copperhead. 1/4th of all copperhead bites are dry bites, which means they don't extract their fangs...using their bite as a scare-tactic...ie no venom.
[last edit 11/23/2005 5:08 AM by res_novae - edited 1 times]
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Bry
 
Location: Goose Creek, SC
Gender: Male
hehe, you looked
| | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 10 on 11/23/2005 8:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by res_novae
Ya, also, good fact to know.
90% of all snakebites from a venemous snake are those from a copperhead. 1/4th of all copperhead bites are dry bites, which means they don't extract their fangs...using their bite as a scare-tactic...ie no venom.
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thats cool,about the dry bites, i didnt know that. im always finding snakes around me. its really odd...
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res_novae
Location: NoVA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 11 on 11/24/2005 9:37 AM >
| | | | Just look for the diamond shaped heads. Most venomous snakes in america (besides the coral) have the diamond/triangular shaped heads due to the fact that they are pit vipers. Look for that, and your set.
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Kobayashi
Location: Hickory NC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 12 on 11/25/2005 7:46 AM >
| | | | Heh tuck your pants into your boots, no sense in having a mouse or rat run up your pants legs.
It happens more often that you'd think.
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Dokk
Location: Lewisville, Texas
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 13 on 11/26/2005 4:26 AM >
| | | | Uh...If you see a snake, get away from it. If you get bit by a copperhead of a rattler, you may get a dry bite or you may not. 1/4 of the bites being dry means you have only a 25% chance of the little critter only punching two holes in your skin. You, most likely, won't die from it if you get help quick enough but why chance it. Do you really want to get snake bit? It freakin' hurts! Venom or not! Plus, if you don't die from a rattler bite, like was said earlier, the venom attacks tissue. That means the good Doctor gives you anti-venom in the form of a shot (another sharp object penetrating your skin) then he gets to remove any necrotic tissue. Hmmm...cutting out chunks of dead flesh. Sounds like a ruined weekend to me. Find a website that shows pictures of snakebite wounds. Not pretty or fun! Remember, in cooler weather, snakes (who are cold blooded) get under leaves and other ground clutter to stay warm. You usually don't see them until you've already stepped on them. Oh, and rattlesnakes don't always rattle before they strike. Do what you want but being big brave explorer doesn't pay enough. There are safer ways to go.
Now, ont to other animals. Do you really wanna get close enough to a 'gator of something equally aggressive to try and shock it with a stun gun or hose it with pepper spray and hope it works like on TV?
[last edit 11/26/2005 4:31 AM by Dokk - edited 1 times]
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FoxTwoFoxTwo
Location: Clarksville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
I'm an explorer who photographs...
| | | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 14 on 11/27/2005 6:55 AM >
| | | | Shock the water with the taser (remember to be on dry land) That should give the animal enough of a sign to clear out..
Or, like I said, rip your arms off.
I'm no Steve Irwin but I can tell you what things hurt like hell. And a taser is one of them.
Bringing exploration to Clarksville.
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aplz
Location: Neo-Berlin (Kitchener)
Gender: Male
When The Detail Lost Its Freedom
| | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 15 on 11/27/2005 3:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by res_novae
This is going to sound wierd, but if you encounter a large angry animal, and there's no alternatives (jumping fence, running, mace, etc...) just jump up and down screaming and looking big and throwing shit at it. Most animals will run.
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For real. Animals are just as scared as you are. They're simply defending their turf, the same way you would defend your home if some kids tried to break in. To animals, we're nothing but animals. Scaring it will usually at least do something, because in the animal kingdom, bigger and stronger prevails.
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res_novae
Location: NoVA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 16 on 11/30/2005 3:54 AM >
| | | | Posted by Dokk
Uh...If you see a snake, get away from it. If you get bit by a copperhead of a rattler, you may get a dry bite or you may not. 1/4 of the bites being dry means you have only a 25% chance of the little critter only punching two holes in your skin. You, most likely, won't die from it if you get help quick enough but why chance it. Do you really want to get snake bit? It freakin' hurts! Venom or not! Plus, if you don't die from a rattler bite, like was said earlier, the venom attacks tissue. That means the good Doctor gives you anti-venom in the form of a shot (another sharp object penetrating your skin) then he gets to remove any necrotic tissue. Hmmm...cutting out chunks of dead flesh. Sounds like a ruined weekend to me. Find a website that shows pictures of snakebite wounds. Not pretty or fun! Remember, in cooler weather, snakes (who are cold blooded) get under leaves and other ground clutter to stay warm. You usually don't see them until you've already stepped on them. Oh, and rattlesnakes don't always rattle before they strike. Do what you want but being big brave explorer doesn't pay enough. There are safer ways to go.
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Maybe its just the fact I work with snakes (a Nature Center) that I don't follow all of that, but it is good advice. If you don't know your snakes, always be safe and assume its venemous. But try to learn snakes, you don't know how many screaming session/almost heart attacks can be saved because you know the difference between a black rat snake and a copperhead.
True story, I've seen grown adults get that wrong.
Good thing about cooler weather, while snakes are under leaves and such, they are hibernating, and dead asleep. Usually, you REALLY got to piss them off, its hard to get them to bite. Having stepped on hibernating snakes before, that may or may not wake them up. Just, like normal, watch where you step.
Now, ont to other animals. Do you really wanna get close enough to a 'gator of something equally aggressive to try and shock it with a stun gun or hose it with pepper spray and hope it works like on TV?
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Word. If its anything big enough to take a chunk of skin out (Everything from rabbits, beavers, and large turtles to Coyotes, Cougars, and Gators) I say first opportunity run.
If that opportunity is not available, refer to earlier posts. Be as big and scary as possible.
My big question, for those out west and to satiate my curiosity, what do you do when you scare a Grizzly?
Edit:: I'm tired, and can't believe I said rabbit. Scratch that. Beavers are scary though, I've seen them chase people, and they chew down trees dude.
[last edit 11/30/2005 3:55 AM by res_novae - edited 2 times]
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.jer
Location: Mesa, Arizona.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Animals?
<Reply # 17 on 11/30/2005 4:47 AM >
| | | | Angry rabbits are fscking scary. I speak from experience. I do not know what happened to the rabbit, but I approached it in a friends backyard, it made some .. noise, and like, snapped it's double bunny-teeth at me, so I ran inside.
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angeloks
Location: Montreal, QC
Gender: Male
"To me, a camera is a license to explore."– Jerry Uelsmann
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<Reply # 18 on 11/30/2005 2:53 PM >
| | | | I thought that all Americans were born carrying hand guns. It should stop a vast majority of animals.
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Seolyk
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
Pie?
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<Reply # 19 on 11/30/2005 5:55 PM >
| | | | I learned somewhere that if you make heavy footsteps (not necessarily stomping), snakes will feel the vibrations and slither away long before you get to where they are. I don't know if this is true, but I heard it somewhere.
Those who think faith is blind are afraid of heights.
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