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 | Mister Sable
 
Location: Palliser City
Gender: Male
The Man with the Hat (the other man)
 |  |  | Re: high-jinks during exploration
<Reply # 60 on 11/23/2005 8:39 PM >
|  | | | I really don't think it's a personal issue between two individuals, only that such a thing sparked a topic. Apologies were made and accepted (weren't they?).
People can read this and get an idea of how other people feel about this sort of thing. It's a pretty civil and reasonable discussion for the most part.
Cloak and dagger, man, cloak and dagger. |
| kowalski
  
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: high-jinks during exploration
<Reply # 61 on 11/23/2005 8:52 PM >
| | | | Post by yokes
How exactly has this thread gone on further than this comment? I think this is the simple, respectful, and mature way of dealing with this topic. |
It's gone on further because other people weighed in on the "pro-climbing anytime, bob's a star" side of things as if that reply was never made. These people are the ones that started the "UE is dangerous anyway, so get a spine" line of debate, giving the clear impression that they wouldn't have been able to take such a simple, respectful and mature way of dealing with this topic if they were the ones in Bob's shoes.
[last edit 11/23/2005 8:53 PM by kowalski - edited 1 times]
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| Roadwolf
      
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
I'm a fluffy puppy!
| |  | | Re: high-jinks during exploration
<Reply # 62 on 11/23/2005 9:07 PM >
| | | | there is way too much finger pointing on this board.
everyones way of thinking is the "correct" way of thinking...
and everyone must follow everyone elses rules and ideals.
this is a web forum which discusses illegal tresspassing (in most cases) and yet we quibble over rules and ideals? give me a break ! no one here wants to follow rules and ideals and everyone here is prepaired to deal with their own decisions. sure climbing up on rafters is unsafe... but again... driving around on the streets of toronto is also unsafe. even IF your completely sober. because there is nothing stopping someone who is quite drunk from plowing into your vehicle and killing you. so don't turn that argument around. believe me.. i have been at accident scenes and dealt with dieing people (and dead people) who were killed by drunk drivers...
I am not saying what he did was right... I am not saying jesters or any other ideal is right. I am saying that a group of people should be able to thik for themselves. if someone in the group decides to climb. its up to that person and the group to take action if that action is deemed required. if the group does not think that it is unsafe at that given time to climb based on enviormental variables. then that is their own choice. if someone falls and hurts or kills themselves god forbid. that is their problem, but they took that risk, and its not really worth us discussing the hows and whys here. there will always be people who want to test their limits and there will always be stupid teens falling and killing themselves in abandoned places. most of them havent even heard of uer.ca so... this it is quite pointless to continue preaching to so many people with such a wide variety of ideals.
this is one of the biggest problems on UER... preaching of ideals and "rules" and such. i have been on a number of other forums in the past few months and many of which i have found to be very friendly and open to suggestions and other viewpoints. Wow... thats interesting... maybe there are people on those forums who will disagree. but they don't try to force their opinions onto everyone else.
Sorry, but in UE, there is no real "GOD" or standard globally accepted guideline. despite what some of us may think. we all have slightly different views. and since this is a free country we are entitled to them. however I personally do not think ideals and viewpoints should be forced upon anyone.
[last edit 11/23/2005 9:24 PM by Roadwolf - edited 1 times]
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| andrew
Location: colorado
Gender: Male
| | Re: high-jinks during exploration
<Reply # 63 on 11/23/2005 9:26 PM >
| | | | If you die we are splitting up your gear.
I would agree with Jester here,don't do anything thats going to get me busted.Show respect for others your with.
If you get gravley hurt I'll call rescues from a safe location,or carry your ass out if possible,but I'm not going to herorics for someone who was showing off or thrill seeking when they got hurt.
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| Cor726
Location: Saskatchewan
Go Riders!
| | | Re: high-jinks during exploration
<Reply # 64 on 11/23/2005 11:00 PM >
| | | | Posted by Cor726
I also recall an explorer in the States being killed when he fell 150ft to the bottom of a missile silo. Last I heard there were charges pending against his exploring buddies, but they left him there.
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I found it, check the media coverage for the story of this location:
http://www.uer.ca/locations/show.asp?locid=20148
"Lance Eaker was with two friends Nov. 25, 2000, exploring a 1960s-era missile silo 14 miles east of Hagerman when he was either killed and dumped there or accidentally fell more than 100 feet to his death."
I have never found the result of what happened to his exploring partners.
If it was an accident, then I can't imagine the impact on the fellow explorers (who obviously made a poor decision of leaving him there, especially if he was still alive at the time they left)
I usually prescribe to being as safe as possible when exploring, but I am still willing to take risks if it is necessary. I am not going to take a whole lot of unnecessary risks, because you are playing the odds that you will be OK. When you play those odds over and over again, eventually your number comes up.
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www.poolarchives.prairiepast.com for my Grain Elevator Photography Site |
| Kay O. Sweaver
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Gender: Male
Happiness is saying yes more often than no.
| | Re: high-jinks during exploration
<Reply # 65 on 11/24/2005 1:25 AM >
| | | | I hate to flog a dead horse. But...
In a nutshell there are clearly widely differing degrees of comfort with risk along with widely differing motivations for UE. Accept that you will not change other peoples' minds about these things. Instead have a rational discussion with the people you explore with about your motivations and comfort zone. If they don't respect it, leave. If someone addresses you with concerns, listen to them. If you can't accept them, leave.
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Amy Smith is an infected slut |
| Boffo
Moderator
Location: Oakville, Ontario
Gender: Male
Oh this is going to be so Mondaylicious!
| |  | | Re: high-jinks during exploration
<Reply # 66 on 11/24/2005 4:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by kowalski
It's gone on further because other people weighed in on the "pro-climbing anytime, bob's a star" side of things as if that reply was never made. These people are the ones that started the "UE is dangerous anyway, so get a spine" line of debate, giving the clear impression that they wouldn't have been able to take such a simple, respectful and mature way of dealing with this topic if they were the ones in Bob's shoes.
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I actually only continued posting after bob's comment because you provoked me >_>
Here's a lockpick. It might be handy if you, the master of unlocking, take it with you. |
| Embalming Candy
Location: Baltimore, MD
Gender: Male
| | | Re: high-jinks during exploration
<Reply # 67 on 11/24/2005 7:44 PM >
| | | | I think that during exploration, one takes a certain risk already. There is already, most likely, broken glass, unstable ceilings/floors/stairs, rusted metal, indigenous wildlife, squatters, and the chance of being apprehended by the police. For me, this is definately an appealing aspect of it to me. By that logic, I can totally see why the whole daredevil thing is appealing.
The group with whom I go exploring is small and we are all strict subscribers to the buddy system. However, it can also be good to have that more adventurous member in a group (in this case, myself), to squeeze into tight spaces, check for the structural integrity of stairs, and scout out other parts of the location. Having one group member willing to put him or herself in danger can often benefit the rest of the group. The problem lies when that member ends up pulling stunts like the one on the beams.
I find that the best way to form a group is to minimize the members, so that you have a tight-knit group of friends with similar interests and styles of exploring.
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