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 kjones
  
Location: Providence, RI
Gender: Male
Ninja? Or frightened little boy?
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< on 9/18/2005 1:48 PM >
|  | | | Hello all, I have been lurking for a couple weeks, but I have a question to put forth, and hopefully I can get some good suggestions.
Some friends of mine are interested in exploring their school, to an extent that is not possible during school hours. Through observation and exploration, they have discovered that they have unmitigated access to a central stairwell, which can get them pretty much anywhere they want to go, from the roof.
Now, the question is this: How can they get on the roof from the outside? And how can they get back down again without leaving evidence that they've been there?
Assume that the climb they face is about 25ft, and a relatively sheer drop (no handy windowsills, fire escapes, etc.) They've been considering things such as securing a rope to the roof during the day, tying a length of fishing line to the end of the rope, hanging the fishing line down to the bottom of the wall, and then returning later to pull down the rope. But then how do they get rid of the rope once they're all at the bottom of the wall?
I suppose this is ultimately a more general question: Once you've climbed down a wall, how do you remove the rope/ladder/whatever that's secured at the top?
Thanks, and I hope to be an active member of these forums.
(I'm sorry if this has been discussed in a previous thread, but like I said, I'm new.)
Forbidden fruit a flavor has
That lawful orchards mocks;
How luscious lies the pea within
The pod that Duty locks!
-Emily Dickinson on UE |
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Pravus
Location: Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 1 on 9/18/2005 3:57 PM >
|  | | | the way you could get onto my old HS was by climbing a fence then grabbing a low wall and pulling yourself up, Or the loading dock was easy to get up too.. You could try a grappling hook.. Watch out for motion detectors..
As far as getting down WITH your rope.. You could loop the rope around something then lower yourself with it, you could clip the rope to it's self around something large/smooth with a biner and have another cord going to the biner and then some shakes or the rope and pulling the cord will bring it down.. Another way which is with some risk is a highwaymans hitch, MAKE SURE YOU TIE IT RIGHT AND TIGHTEN IT or you WILL fall..
Good luck and don't get caught...
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Ultramasturbatron
 
| | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 2 on 9/18/2005 6:31 PM >
| | | | I'd have to rethink that one twice. I would imagine that depending on the time of day and where they're trying to explore might be easier during the day. I'm curious as to what parts of their own school they're trying to explore. I can imagine, but still curious.
I'd rather get shot down with some excuse as to trying to get into an area (social engineering). Rather than, hoping the K-9 unit that was brought in for a building search just might go away. And, explaining to the judge what the intention was just before they send you back to the holding cell.
You know just as well as almost anyone on this forum, that if it's a school, it more than likely has a security system. So, wish your friends luck for me, I'd love to hear the outcome.
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drainpunk
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<Reply # 3 on 9/18/2005 6:47 PM >
| | | | I'd first circle the whole building and search for ladders. Naturally all the rooftop areas aren't often connected to each other, so climbing one wouldn't necessarily guarantee access to other parts (too bad  ). But I guess they have already checked whether the building has ladders or not..
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JohnnyDumpster
Gender: Male
| | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 4 on 9/18/2005 7:00 PM >
| | | | My friends and I were caught near a school-we hadn't even gone in and weren't going to-but the alarm system somehow had been tripped and this security guard came. I left with one friend before we realized he was a security guard but three of my friends spent the next 3 or 4 hours in the back of cop cars trying to explain that they were never in the building. Finally at like 2 they got the principal or someone there to let them watch the security cameras and they finally let them go. Another time though my friend walked into our JR. High at night through a door they neglected to lock and just walked around the halls at midnight and no alarm went off there, be careful though man, that's what I'm trying to say.
As for the rope could you do the fishing line thing except do it on both ends of the rope so you would climb both side of the rope and just pull one and the whole rope would come, you would need something to put the rope around though.
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kjones
Location: Providence, RI
Gender: Male
Ninja? Or frightened little boy?
| | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 5 on 9/18/2005 8:31 PM >
| | | | Thanks for the replies so far guys, I've already got some more ideas. (especially you, JohnnyDumpster... that's so simple it's brilliant. Can't see why I didn't think of it before.) Keep 'em coming.
As for the security system, they know about it and where it is (point detectors on external doors, motion detectors in many corridors). The area that they're trying to access is underground, and the stairwell leads right to it (and has no motion detectors, and the point detectors are on external doors only).
Doing this during the day is impossible, as they cannot get into the area without looking too suspicious, and no amount of social engineering will get them in. If that were possible, that would be preferable, of course.
And no, no ladders, at least not on this side. There is I believe an easily climbable area on the street side, but scaling that at night will be both visible and highly suspicious.
Forbidden fruit a flavor has
That lawful orchards mocks;
How luscious lies the pea within
The pod that Duty locks!
-Emily Dickinson on UE |
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InsertNameHere
Location: North County San Diego
Gender: Male
We were playing flashlight tag, officer!
| | | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 6 on 9/22/2005 2:13 AM >
| | | | Have them check for any solid, sturdy pipes running up the side of the building. Assuming that the girth of the pipe isn't too large, scaling the building should be no problem. Simply pull on the pipe with the hands whilst pushing on the building with the feet, and move upwards - I've climbed up roughly three stories to gain access to rooftops in this manner.
A cage went in search of a bird. |
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Ryden
Location: Barrie On
Gender: Male
| | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 7 on 9/23/2005 12:37 AM >
| | | | I just got onto my old HS this summer. After assuming for the longest time we could never get up we actually decided to look HARD one day. This revealed some small pipes in front of a camera, then a large pipe with many brackets in somewhere we didn't even think to look. This lead to a good exploration of the extensive roofscape, but I personally would NEVER try to enter. Also, though it sounds like you have an accurate knowledge of the security how are you actually gaining access? A roof hatch or something? This might prove messy, and be extra careful as by the sounds of it you haven't had a chance to examine the security measures in the area you're actually trying to explore. It would be a kick in the teeth to get in and down said staircase just to set one foot in unknown territory and have the alarms go off. Let me know how it turns out though, it sounds quite ambitious!
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wr0x2
| | | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 8 on 9/23/2005 1:08 AM >
| | | | Do not open any doors while at the school. At my school, if you open a door a silent alarm will be sent to the district police, and they show up a few minutes later, gun in hand.
This led to an unfortunate incident on my part during some casual UE a couple summers ago.
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HillbillyHorus
Location: Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
| | | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 9 on 10/21/2005 10:05 PM >
| | | | I've been on the roof of a school before once. Try walking around the perimeter, and keep an eye out for things to climb/stand on. I was lucky, as I found a railing right next to the roof. All I had to do was climb up the railing, then pull myself onto the roof. It wasn't all that exciting. The flooring was a bit unsteady, and there wasn't any view to speak of. But that's just me. I have tried getting onto roofs of University buildings. Check mechanical buildings on the top floor if you ever do something like that.
You can't fall off a mountain. |
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Random
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Gender: Male
Partially Retired
| | | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 10 on 10/22/2005 2:44 AM >
| | | | Scout carefully before you go in. Oftentimes, schools are used for training police. They hide things for drug/bomb dogs to find or run practice drills with swat teams and such.
Also, sturdy pipes are good for climbing, as long as you aren't as heavy as I am. Doubling your rope over is an easy way to get it back upon descent. Toss the middle around a secure anchor, then drop both ends over the edge. This may require quite a bit of rope though. Or you could rig your fishing line to be able to pull the free end back up onto the roof and retrieve it the next day.
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kjones
Location: Providence, RI
Gender: Male
Ninja? Or frightened little boy?
| | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 11 on 10/22/2005 2:46 AM >
| | | | Well, everything went much easier than expected... motion detectors were not a problem at all, as the school does not bother to replace them when (disabled).
Forbidden fruit a flavor has
That lawful orchards mocks;
How luscious lies the pea within
The pod that Duty locks!
-Emily Dickinson on UE |
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Mickael
  
Moderator
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 12 on 10/22/2005 2:49 AM >
| | | | At the high school that I've been to, the principal/police could watch the camera from their house by using a browser. I was friend with the net admin and he showed me the systeme once. Quite awesome! You got the 30 or so camera showing in a window, and when you click on a camera you get a fullscreen. You can record, save and download pictures/video.
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JohnnyDumpster
Gender: Male
| | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 13 on 10/22/2005 7:32 AM >
| | | | My boss can and does do that at the little shitty pizza place I work. We don't get along. Then again all my friends (who are underage) get served beer with their pizza, so I guess its cool for them. I have a thing about video cameras, like I'm sure many people here do. They just make me so damn nervous
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roofwalker
Gender: Male
| | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 14 on 10/22/2005 7:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by w00t
At the high school that I've been to, the principal/police could watch the camera from their house by using a browser. I was friend with the net admin and he showed me the systeme once. Quite awesome! You got the 30 or so camera showing in a window, and when you click on a camera you get a fullscreen. You can record, save and download pictures/video.
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Yeah, at my high school they had security cameras everywhere, wired into a central server, where it'd save all the shots for like a week (they had more than a terrabyte of hard drive space).
I never tried to get onto the roofs at my high school, but I have managed to get onto a few at my university. Usually they're pretty cognizant about locking/sealing up doors that lead to the roof... but not so much with windows...
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grit1
Location: University Campus - Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Got Shear Line?
| | | Re: Rooftop Access
<Reply # 15 on 10/29/2005 9:55 AM >
| | | | The highschool I attended has 5 total accesses to the main roof, one in a section that could be climbed from the outside. I was lucy enough to have the master key for the building, as I did IT and theatre/video work in the school and needed access to a large amount of panels, storage rooms etc. For all of the roof accesses you entered through a top-floor mechanical room door, climb a narrow staircase to the HVAC penthouse and there would be an unlocked roof door to that section of the roof. They were never locked, not even on the outside [I had the key anyway]. The roof doors did not have motion sensors or magnetic contacts, but some areas inside the main building, within the hallways did. My district is notorious for not using any door contacts, 100% infrared motion sensors. That building was well covered, there were only a few exterior doors not covered by a sensor. The sensors all went back to a silent alarm control panel.
My school also had lots of security cameras [32 total] that fed into a central server. The footage was kept around for a week, but clips could be archived if needbe. They were motion detecting cameras, so the server wouldn't record video if there was no motion detected.
The University I currently attend also is not very careful about roof doors. They are all locked [I *may* have obtained a key] but only a very slim margin of them have any sort of secondary security.
Stay in school [at night]! ~Grit.
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