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Should Demolition Companies Profit from Items found in Demolition Sites? | | Total Votes: | 89 | | 1. Yes | 65 | 73.03 % | 
| | 2. No | 24 | 26.97 % |
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Roadwolf
         
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Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
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 |  |  |  | Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
< on 6/7/2005 12:17 PM >
|  | | | A Well known and Local demolition company is now selling items they have recovered from buildings they are contracted to destroy. These items are items of historical value, such as vintage coke bottles, vintage furnature and other such items.
Kind of makes you think.
By the way, this demolition company is Prestley Demolition.
I recently saw them set up at a town fair and asked them where they got all of this, and they told me.
I mean its good that its being salvaged.. but I also have mixed feelings about them profiting from these items. I dunno... I guess its their right to go in and clear the building... but as an explorer, I don't think they should be doing that. very mixed feelings on this one, I hope some others will have opinions on this one and will help me out here.
EDIT: Can A Mod please make this public.. I forgot to click the check box... Thanks 
[last edit 6/7/2005 12:21 PM by Roadwolf - edited 1 times]
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nostra-YOUPPI!
 
Umpire
Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec
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| | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 1 on 6/7/2005 12:45 PM >
| | | | demolition companies have been doing this for years, most have as a mandate to slavage. when they are given salvage rights to a building by an owner the owner ususally gets a better price on the demolition. its not theft. Where i work we are tearing down a wood and steel building from 1964. the demolition company is doing a salvage job on it, it is going to cost us a lot less, there are 42 gluelam beams in the building the demoltion company is going to sell on consignment for us. I bought a ball and claw bathtub at a wrecking yard 10 years ago, it came from montreals queens hotel. i have no problems with this , the company procured the items legally, its not like they were urban mining a building that was being pickled for later use
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atomx
Location: Brighton, ON
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 2 on 6/7/2005 12:46 PM >
| | | | I said no, but what else would you want to see? The idems being destroyed and never to be seen again? Old electronics are my love, but I'd rather see someone buy it from them, then it be destroyed. I'd rather see it donated to a museum when possible.
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Stewie
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
kill your idols
| | | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 3 on 6/7/2005 2:20 PM >
| | | | In my eyes, its garbage... somebodies garbage is another mans treasure. Let 'em sell it, better than going to waste. I don't mind them profiting on it, they found it.
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| | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 4 on 6/7/2005 2:36 PM >
| | | | They're also probably getting permission from the owner of the building, its not like they're running into a building they're not contracted for looting it and knocking it down, this is what they get paid to do. It just so happens that they have a better eye for what can be resold and salvaged then the owners do.
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oddspot
Location: Small Town Alberta
Gender: Male
| | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 5 on 6/7/2005 5:00 PM >
| | | | There's other business issues related to doing things another way. Bringing in additional people to a construction/demolition site to clean up and remove salvage increases insurance costs on site, complexities over who owns what demolition vs. salvage etc...
Demo companies have equipment on site to move just about anything in and out, they're there, they're set to go.
having one company already contracted on site speeds up the process, makes it more efficient and quite honestly gives them more money for the goods.
That's business these days...companies don't do just one thing they do it all!
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nostra-YOUPPI!
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Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec
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| | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 6 on 6/7/2005 5:30 PM >
| | | | i was reading about the demolition of veterans stadium, turns out what happened there is fairly common, as part of the demolition deal, the demolition contractor "buys" the building off its owner who then pays the difference of the demolition. in "buying" the property all fixtures and the like in the building belong to the contractor, the seats, lights, fixtures of the vet were sold off by the demo contractor
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bandi
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Location: Trent Hills, ON
Gender: Male
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| |  | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 7 on 6/7/2005 7:07 PM >
| | | | I think it's a somewhat good idea, I mean it's better than the stuff getting trashed. There are many times I've seen cool light fixtures and stuff in abandoned buildings (mostly industrial stuff) that i'd love to buy for my place.
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Rust
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| | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 8 on 6/7/2005 10:40 PM >
| | | | They're contracted to destroy and get rid of the entire buidling and it's contents, so the stuff would just be garbage anyway, so what is exactly the problem?
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rainman8889
Location: H.T.S.F.C. Time to gain and a time to lose.
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| | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 9 on 6/8/2005 2:59 AM >
| | | | Posted by Rustblade
They're contracted to destroy and get rid of the entire buidling and it's contents, so the stuff would just be garbage anyway, so what is exactly the problem?
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Well put. Since the contractor has "salvage" rights, the items are theirs to dispose of as they see fit. Also, someone who is restoring an old building may just luck out and obtain the necessary fixtures etc to do that restoration at a reasonable cost so there are other benefits. Much as I hate to see an old building get torn down, it is quite disgusting to see the demolition contractor use a backhoe to just rip everything down and dump it into landfill.
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wastedutopia
Location: Detroit, MI
Gender: Female
| |  |  | | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 10 on 6/9/2005 4:25 AM >
| | | | I'd much rather see the stuff be salvaged than to see it end up in a pile of rubble with the rest of the building. It was absolutely heartbreaking to watch them tear down the Madison Lenox in detroit knowing that no effort was made to salvage anything, in fact they went out of their way to destroy stuff that the historical society asked them to try and salvage.
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tron_2.0
Location: Ohio
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 11 on 6/9/2005 2:46 PM >
| | | | I voted no, but I really say yes and no.
The demolition team has one job. That job is to demolish a building and prepare the site to be rebuilt. Although I do think it is a really good idea to try and make sure not a lot of the parts of the old building go to waste, it still doesn’t feel right that they are selling the stuff. I think it should be free. It should be posted that there is salvage, and it should be free. In a sense it belongs to the public. First come, first serve, though. I just don’t think its right that they make money off it. But I do think its right for them to recycle the parts. That’s the problem these days; it’s cheaper to tear down, then to remodel.
My two cents.
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lopix
Location: Ontario
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 12 on 6/9/2005 5:55 PM >
| | | | At least the stuff that is bought will be saved, people will take care of it, which is the main benefit. I would rather people keep and cherish some of this stuff, as opposed to destroying it all. Something gets saved that way, even if someone is profiting from it.
BTW, where can you find out about these sales? I am in the right area and would LOVE to check one of them out!
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dirt
Location: Oakland, CA
Gender: Male
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| |  | | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 13 on 6/9/2005 6:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by Particle Man
In my eyes, its garbage... somebodies garbage is another mans treasure. Let 'em sell it, better than going to waste. I don't mind them profiting on it, they found it.
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at the same time, these companies get more money which means they can tear down more buildings. these artifacts shouldn't be wasted but there has to be a better way
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ofberenonehand
Location: Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
| | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 14 on 6/9/2005 7:19 PM >
| | | | My uncle does this as a side business. Many demo companies won't bother with salvage, but will allow individuals to purchase and remove items themselves. They literally charge pennies on the dollar for what this stuff is worth. So for instance someone like my uncle can come in, someone who has a passion for antiques or rare items, buy them for cheap, then house them until an appropriate buyer is found. The item is then re-used in a new site thus preserving it.
The demo company makes a small amount on this deal. The person removing it makes some, but usually just enough to support it as a hobby or supplemental income. Then a new project is beautified with historic stone, railings, flooring, etc... Since it is used there cost is lower, whereas if they had to go with modern things they would probably be drab, cheap utilitarian items.
It's also worth noting the environmental impact of something like this. I remember, for instance, pulling up beautiful hardwood flooring for my uncle as a teen. It was reused in several places. It was a type that is now VERY expensive to get a hold of, because of over logging. Buying salvaged flooring helped avoid contributing to the problem of over logging of hardwood forests.
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NoSuchPerson
Stop, or I'll ask you again!
| | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 15 on 6/9/2005 7:33 PM >
| | | | I'm curious.
To those who have selected "NO" (of which, there's 10 right now)...why do you see something wrong with this practice?
Let's suppose a demolition company was hired to tear down an old cinema. Suppose this cinema had very old light fixtures and/or candalabras. Would you rather see these artifacts destroyed as demolition rubble, or would you rather see them preserved through being sold to an individual or what not?
While I might not agree 100% with demolition companies profiting from this kind of thing, I'd much rather see that then old valuable items in a heap of rubble.
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Turd Furgusen
Location: Charleston, WV
Gender: Male
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| | | | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 16 on 6/9/2005 7:40 PM >
| | | | Usually it's not worth the trouble for demo companies to do this unless they stumble across a really good find. I used to have some friends in this business. They said if they stopped to get all the cool/semivaluable/salvagable things they found they'd blow all their contracts! Remember even if the do grab a few things 95% of thier money comes from safely tearing down a building as fast as possible. Money talks, bottom line.
If it were me. I'd probably grab whatever on the initial inspection and tell my men they are free to do the same as long as it doesn't interfere with work.
I actually toyed with the idea of starting a business that specifically did "salvage" and not demo, complete with a eBay style site tailored specifically to contractors looking for cheap (but still quality) parts. Basically paying the site owner a nominal fee for X amount of days to salvage whatever I could and hopefully sell at a profit. They don't make fixtures like they used to and people really do want some of the old stuff sometimes. I know some guy from New England paid me a shitload for an old barn I had just to use the wood for crafts and in homebuilding.
Bottom line: If the building owner doesn't give a shit about the demo guys picking through shit, it's all fair game.
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nostra-YOUPPI!
Umpire
Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec
Bonsoir et cest partie
| | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 17 on 6/9/2005 8:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by tron_2.0
I voted no, but I really say yes and no.
The demolition team has one job. That job is to demolish a building and prepare the site to be rebuilt. Although I do think it is a really good idea to try and make sure not a lot of the parts of the old building go to waste, it still doesn’t feel right that they are selling the stuff. I think it should be free. It should be posted that there is salvage, and it should be free. In a sense it belongs to the public. First come, first serve, though. I just don’t think its right that they make money off it. But I do think its right for them to recycle the parts. That’s the problem these days; it’s cheaper to tear down, then to remodel.
My two cents.
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this stuff doesnt "belong" to the public, yes this is heritage but it was built by someone, our legal system says its thiers, they get someone to come in and level the place and most agrements say the demo company can take what they want, we work in a capitalist society, some demolition companies make a lot of money on the salvage aspect, in montreal if you want a ball and claw tub per se everyone knows you go to A&A demoliton, they have a salvage yard bursting with stuff, they come in and strip the place of all items of value and store them in thier yard or temperature controlled warehouse, its better than the companies that come and just clearcut,
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Whitehorse
Gender: Male
| | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 18 on 6/9/2005 9:24 PM >
| | | | The correct spelling is Priestley Demolition. They're based in Aurora and a friend of mine works for them. Most demo companies have their own yard where they sell salvaged material. I've been involved in restoring a number of heritage and century buildings and without the service that they provide there are times when I would have been lost.
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TheDriftKing
| | Re: Demolition Company Selling Contents of Abandoned Buildings
<Reply # 19 on 6/9/2005 9:51 PM >
|  | | | I don’t see a problem with it at all. They bought the building and everything contained within.
Fans of the Antiques Road show may recall an episode from 1998 or 1999 where a guy bought a 3 foot tall bronze statue from a building they were tearing down for $2. Turned out to be worth $125,000.
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