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 Silent Knight
    
Location: Niagara region
Gender: Male
Kastle Archives Productions Inc. (since 1999)
 |  |  | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 20 on 4/28/2005 2:17 AM >
|  | | | Well said, Dukes...I found myself nodding in agreement with much of it. I already said a few similiar things to Av in chat earlier in the day.
I tend to think rather than being a failure, UER is actually victorious for having weathered through those who maliciously attack the community for whatever reason (jealousy much of the time, I suspect).
Its a classic case of people clinging to the lower rungs of success attempting to grab the ankles of those above them.
I was almost to the point of weening myself off UER for awhile, what with all the juvenile fighting and nonsense that was happening. It had drifted too far away from my personal idea of what exploring is all about. But with Av's latest revelations about the direction of the site, I plan to stay the course a while longer to see how it all works out - hopefully for the better.
As cliche as it is - its impossible to please everyone all-the-time. There'll always be malcontents in every endeavour.
S.K.
(votes for a benevolent dictatorship) 
You can always tell when you're watching Canadian television - the actors in the show are the same ones doing the commercials. |
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'Dukes
Noble Donor
Gender: Male
At least someone llikes me
| |  | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 21 on 4/28/2005 2:26 AM >
| | | | I just got a kick out of Samurai's response to "what momma used to make" which basically involves cookies that look like "Bukkake" victims.
The Whole "bukkake" think is just Turbo being Turbo, but here's Samurai, a guy thirty miles down the road from me. Commenting on this post. I would have never know he existed if it wasn't for this place; and ironically, I've met 2 people lately, both in business that knew "Scott *******" Small world eh?
Lately I've taken to asking people " you are from Moriah? You know Scott?" And the sure response is "Oh I've know Scott forever".
Good times
Let's not forget the meets this place has led to, regardless of my misfortunes with NEOPEX; Bizzy had her heart intent on meeting Av, Drie, Psx, Mike Digital, the whole crew, and I let her down by getting frustrated and going home.
My (former) signifacant other even loves the UER folks.
Christ I even spent the other night making Nice Nice with Jester who I always assumed was a consumate prick, but I was proven wrong; he's good people;
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I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. |
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Darkwolf
   
Mellow Moderator
Location: Florida... Again...
Gender: Male
I fix things!
| | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 22 on 4/28/2005 3:19 AM >
| | | | I agree 100% with everything said. This site has always been improving and every ones love of this site is proven over and over again. Sure there are always a few sour apples but that happens. You can never please everyone.
Big Smile
*Best Post Ever* any meetups to go to the malt plant? I'll join and be the first one over, so you know I'm not a cop. Also I'll bring beer. *DO NOT MESSAGE ME WITH ISSUES. PLEASE USE CONTACT A MODERATOR* |
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DjMalign
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Gender: Male
Sexy, sexy, sexy
| | | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 23 on 4/28/2005 8:20 AM >
| | | | AV,
This site has been an invaluable resource. Without it I would have never met the group I am with now. Like any community it has flaws but if we concentrate on the things that unite us instead of divide us its all good. Keeping a good sets of basic morals like no vandalism/arson and no snitches is good but leave the rest for mere discussion.
Thanks AV!
I hate all of you |
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D-rock240
Location: Baltimore
Gender: Male
| | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 24 on 4/28/2005 2:37 PM >
| | | | Av-
I think you have done an excellent job bringing this site and this online community together. I have yet to find a site that is as complete as this one. The LDB is the best i've seen, most of the people here are polite, knowledgeable and eager to learn more about their hobby. While each person may have a different part of UE that they like (buildings, drains, subways, etc.) they can all come here and learn about UEing from all over the world. Your original goal was probably too utopian and thats why you may think you have failed to complete it. I think a testament to how good the site is that I found the LDB while surfing the web almost a year ago and like others I was hooked. When I found the site I didn't know that so many people shared my interests. Growing up, my parents and my friends thought I was crazy because I would always stop to look at and old or abandoned factories or other buildings because I wanted to see artifacts from it's heyday and didn't just want to smash all the windows out. This site has helped me grow my "wierd interest" into an informative hobby and has changed me as a person (hopefully for the better  )
Anyways I think you are doing a great job, especially since running this site is not your full time job. Keep up the great work Av.
D-rock
"If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," Katherine Harris said.
separating religion and politics is "wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers." :( |
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Ellery
Location: Virginia
Gender: Male
Living in the shadows
| | | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 25 on 4/28/2005 3:20 PM >
| | | | Sounds good Av...want to go on record supporting the comments Dukes made.
As a mod on another site, I'm familiar with trying to be something for everyone...doesnt quite work out the way you want it to. It can drive you nuts, sap you of time and energy and then one day, you realize it just isnt fun anymore. You have to do what is best in your heart for you and the site itself. You are the creator, UER is your dream, your gift to the community...there may be those who have constructive comments that can add to the community, but then there are those who would seek to subvert it, complain and make no contribution other than to tear down (and that is not a contribution...far from it). You did not fail. You brought a diverse group of people together. Now it and you are in a sense growing up and maturing...finding new directions/refinements that you feel are needed. Nothing wrong with that at all. Refocusing and refining the goals and purpose could lead to a better site for all.
Wish you the very best in pursuing the new goals. You gave it your best and cant be faulted for that. I hope that you'll have success and things are even better for UER. I wish to give you my support and help...
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Burzum
Noble Donor
| | | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 26 on 4/28/2005 8:02 PM >
| | | | I think UER is great. It has had a huge impact on me as an explorer, and is the only reason I know of any explorers outside of my crew. it sucks away hours of my day. it is the only website i have ever donated to.
I don't think you failed, Av - I just think you succeeded in a manner you perhaps did not intend.
www.rouskrew.com
because evil won't just do itself. |
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cjb
Location: Sept-îles/Saint-John's/Corner Brooks/Montréal/Sydney
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 27 on 4/29/2005 2:24 AM >
| | | | I think the new level system is probably going to kill the site.
News users are not able to see the regional boards ( or at least they're not able to see 99,98% of it). They can't post in it. They can only proove themselves in the main forum. which isn't the most popular board of all.
I see the user base of uer slowly shrinking in the future. The number of active 'level 3' members will constantly drop, unless the rules are changed.
http://www.magazin...dossiers/index.htm |
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 28 on 4/29/2005 3:14 AM >
| | | | Actually Level 2 members are indeed permitted to post in the regional boards, as well as all other sections of the site.
I particularly don't care if the membership shrinks -- all it means is that we are losing the people who aren't as dedicated or interested in this hobby as the rest of us are.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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Styrofoam15
Location: Kitchener, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 29 on 4/29/2005 3:34 AM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
I particularly don't care if the membership shrinks -- all it means is that we are losing the people who aren't as dedicated or interested in this hobby as the rest of us are.
-av
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It has the side benefit of saving you some bandwidth too 
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Nosferatu Von
Location: Ancaster
Gender: Male
| | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 30 on 4/29/2005 5:31 AM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
I particularly don't care if the membership shrinks -- all it means is that we are losing the people who aren't as dedicated or interested in this hobby as the rest of us are.
-av
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You can do explore without this site... it's not a status symbol (but perhaps it is becoming one). Despite what a lot of people may think, the level doesn't dictate of how 'dedicated' you are to the hobby. It's related to this website, nothing else. I know real explorers who dont even have an acount on this website.
Seems your Phenomena is a Phenoma-NOT. |
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M3G4
Gender: Male
Mine!
| | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 31 on 4/29/2005 3:17 PM >
| | | | I think this website is a work of art, it certainly is (or, as the case may soon end up being, i fear, was) very impressive. I think the levels system has caused a huge outcry, and as a result, we've lost some of the better explorers that frequented this site. Scotland will end up looking very sparse soon.
I love UE, and recently (a few mins ago, in fact) I completed my very first exploration on the strength of this website and my coursework. If it wasn't for this site, I don't think I would have bothered.
Another sticking point is the fact that the levels system is very prejudiced toward newer members - those like me who do not have L3 access are unable to create locations and share their masterpieces. I fear that this, along with some of the newer nuances of the site will create less of a community and more of an elitist movement.
I can see AV's point that the system prevents undesirables from access information and making convictions or creating vandalism problems. However, on the other hand, I doubt there were many examples of that in the thousands upon thousands of explorations that were documented on this website. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.
Just my 2 pennies.
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nightbird
Girl Moderator
Location: Buffalo, NY
Gender: Female
Gone abortin, BRB
| | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 32 on 4/29/2005 4:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by M3G4
Another sticking point is the fact that the levels system is very prejudiced toward newer members - those like me who do not have L3 access are unable to create locations and share their masterpieces. I fear that this, along with some of the newer nuances of the site will create less of a community and more of an elitist movement.
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You can get around this by posting a few pics in the photo forum or linking to an offsite gallery. There by showed you are trustworthy and getting L3, by which you can then make locations. 
WTF indeed. |
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M3G4
Gender: Male
Mine!
| | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 33 on 4/29/2005 4:53 PM >
| | | | Posted by nightbird
You can get around this by posting a few pics in the photo forum or linking to an offsite gallery. There by showed you are trustworthy and getting L3, by which you can then make locations.
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Thanks for that, I'll shove some up on my webspace
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andrea
Location: Baltimore MD
Gender: Female
Apparently, I am heinous.
| | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 34 on 4/29/2005 4:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by M3G4
Another sticking point is the fact that the levels system is very prejudiced toward newer members - those like me who do not have L3 access are unable to create locations and share their masterpieces |
Its not prejudiced ! Its exactly what it is, you are new so you have to hang around abit before we share everything with you. We want to see your stuff, you can't put it into a pretty little page. Post a story or two, with some pictures. Thats all we ask. Be active in the boards and make your self a member of the community. COMMUNITY. Adding DB locations can be hard work and it contributes but its pretty passive agressive. When you come in to the forums, talk, let us get to know you, and maybe you get to know us then we want you to be able to see every thing. I don't see why that is prejudiced. I think that is actualy a pretty insulting us of the word to people who have been actually been a victum of prejudice at one time or another...
[last edit 4/29/2005 4:59 PM by andrea - edited 1 times]
This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit.
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DjMalign
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Gender: Male
Sexy, sexy, sexy
| | | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 35 on 4/29/2005 5:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by Two Dots
You can do explore without this site... it's not a status symbol (but perhaps it is becoming one). Despite what a lot of people may think, the level doesn't dictate of how 'dedicated' you are to the hobby. It's related to this website, nothing else. I know real explorers who dont even have an acount on this website.
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No one says you can't explore apart from the site. The dedication is to this particular community, not UE in general. I am a "real" explorer who uses this site for contacts and fun as it should be used for. 'nuff said.
I hate all of you |
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GMGuy
Gender: Male
| | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 36 on 4/30/2005 12:39 AM >
| | | | From this users perspective Av, your new 'goals' don't change how I see/use the site. I've been a lurker for a couple of years, and you sum it up pretty well. And as much as I don't particually care for the level system (but I can't disagree with why you did it) it is what finally prompted me to sign up.
For the initial points you make, its human nature. Doesn't matter if you run an automotive board, or china tea pot appreciation site, you have one hell of a range of fans to fanatics, and you sure as hell ain't going to be able to please the entire spectrum. Rain, ducks backs, and all that.
Alex.
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greywolf45
Location: U.S.A.
Gender: Male
Resident UER pain in the ass
| |  | | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 37 on 5/2/2005 6:21 AM >
| | | | Posted by M3G4
I think this website is a work of art, it certainly is (or, as the case may soon end up being, i fear, was) very impressive. I think the levels system has caused a huge outcry, and as a result, we've lost some of the better explorers that frequented this site. Scotland will end up looking very sparse soon.
I love UE, and recently (a few mins ago, in fact) I completed my very first exploration on the strength of this website and my coursework. If it wasn't for this site, I don't think I would have bothered.
Another sticking point is the fact that the levels system is very prejudiced toward newer members - those like me who do not have L3 access are unable to create locations and share their masterpieces. I fear that this, along with some of the newer nuances of the site will create less of a community and more of an elitist movement.
I can see AV's point that the system prevents undesirables from access information and making convictions or creating vandalism problems. However, on the other hand, I doubt there were many examples of that in the thousands upon thousands of explorations that were documented on this website. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.
Just my 2 pennies.
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I can also understand why Av did all this. However, by doing this, he has more or less labeled members level 2 and below thieves, vandals, snitches, ect. Av, maybe that was not your intention when you created the level system, but that's what it has evolved into.
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"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends"
Martin Luther King Jr. |
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 38 on 5/2/2005 2:05 PM >
| | | | Actually, I think it's more that Level 2 members are either "new", or people who haven't yet contributed to the community.
Nowhere does it say they are vandals.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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greywolf45
Location: U.S.A.
Gender: Male
Resident UER pain in the ass
| | | | Re: Theories about Communities (or UER's General Direction)
<Reply # 39 on 5/2/2005 3:18 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
Actually, I think it's more that Level 2 members are either "new", or people who haven't yet contributed to the community.
Nowhere does it say they are vandals.
-av
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Don't get me wrong Av, but that is what it looks like to me. I could be wrong though.
"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends"
Martin Luther King Jr. |
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