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 Burzum
   
Noble Donor
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<Reply # 20 on 3/11/2005 7:03 PM >
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Maybe by default you should provide "trusted" access to the LDB for those of us that have earned our DB "star" already.
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agreed, this would be an excellent solution.
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Snarg
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 21 on 3/11/2005 7:06 PM >
| | | | Posted by Burzum
agreed, this would be an excellent solution.
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And those who don't have a star but have made contributions?
If you base it on a DB star then I guarantee you, you will have people 'spam' locations into the DB in order to gain the star.
Mean people suck.
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Burzum
Noble Donor
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<Reply # 22 on 3/11/2005 7:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by Snarg
And those who don't have a star but have made contributions?
If you base it on a DB star then I guarantee you, you will have people 'spam' locations into the DB in order to gain the star.
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I believe we were just discussing the initial launch, regarding who would start off as trusted. The way I read Av's proposal, those who have contributed but not gotten their star as of yet would be the first to gain the 'trusted' status. But I could be wrong...
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totensiebush
  
Location: Berkeley, CA
Gender: Male
neophyte
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<Reply # 23 on 3/11/2005 7:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by Snarg
And those who don't have a star but have made contributions?
If you base it on a DB star then I guarantee you, you will have people 'spam' locations into the DB in order to gain the star.
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maybe have it start out so that people with db stars now get trusted, but in the future contributing does not get you trusted?
i doubt that people will really contribute if there is no way for them to even look at their contributions, anyway.
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Bratchny
Location: New York City
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 24 on 3/11/2005 7:10 PM >
| | | | First off, it's AV's site - so he should do whatever the hell he wants...with that said, here is a continuation of my opinion...
I don't think that I should be "forced" to meet up with other local explorers in my area, as someone suggested - I'm perfectly content exploring with my friends and posting what we find on here, on our behalf. New York city is a strange place sometimes, and I don't make a habit of befriending people I meet online - but that is just me.
I happily put my pictures on here, and you can keep them with or without my being able to access them - if people are worried about what their posting, they shouldn't post it, or shouldn't be there in the first place - but that is a whole different story for another time...
I like the idea of making members who have a LDB star level 3 - those people have likely contributed a good amount of time and energy adding to this site, and the fun of accessing the DB should not be taken away. Servo made it sound as though this "significant" contribution will be recognized - if that is the case then that is great!!
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Chainsaw
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Location: Underground, Colorado
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 25 on 3/11/2005 7:10 PM >
| | | | Posted by Snarg
And those who don't have a star but have made contributions?
If you base it on a DB star then I guarantee you, you will have people 'spam' locations into the DB in order to gain the star.
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You're right, it's not appropriate. I was looking for a solution for myself and did not consider your position. You are right though, your access to what you have contributed shouldn't be removed. That's just wrong.
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Roadwolf
  
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
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<Reply # 26 on 3/11/2005 7:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by Chainsaw
You're right, it's not appropriate. I was looking for a solution for myself and did not consider your position. You are right though, your access to what you have contributed shouldn't be removed. That's just wrong.
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I disagree.. there needs to be a change. yea some people might be screwed over to not view locations. but hey, make the effort to gain trust.
the majority of people who contribute will gain their trusted stars easily, and I do like the idea of people having LDB stars already getting trusted stars automatically.
the others who only have one or 2 locations will either have to find some more legit locations and put them up... or make some friends. (I happen to know some users DO NOT POST locations on UER because they don't want their locations vandalized... this will hopfully change that.. being that everyone able to access the LDB will be true explorers... and trusted people - maybe this will encourage them to post some locations...)
I don't think people should have to meet in real life. I think people can meet online and talk.. and when you get to know someone enough online, you generally get a feel for how trustworthy they are. for example... I have never met "el nerdo" but I am trusting him to bring a package I bought off of ebay across to canada for me, from the states. because they wouldn't ship to canada.
Yes.. it will interupt the normal operation of uer.ca for a few weeks... but I think in the end it will be a more friendly place with less fights and more trust.
UER.ca and all of the affilliated sites which share their forums all combine to make the biggest and most popular UE Related forums and database on the internet, and yeah, there are untrustworthy people on here like security guards and even police cheifs who watch the site and monitor locations and whos posting pictures of them locations.
Making the site fully accessable to only level 3 members will ensure that those people can not monitor the galleries.
compare these numbers...
Number of registered users: 6492
Number of active users (seen in last 30 days): 1359
Number of contributing users (post in last 30 days): 528
how many people are just lingering ? quite alot !
now I know some people on here who I trust who don't contribute and I will surely vouch for them even tho I havent met them in person.
All in all, I think everyone who deserves it will eventually get a trusted star. but for everyone it may not be right away.
lets just try it out,
Roadwolf,
[last edit 3/11/2005 7:40 PM by Roadwolf - edited 1 times]
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Sinister Crayon
Location: Colorado
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 27 on 3/11/2005 7:41 PM >
| | | | I smell a big popularity contest.
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Subav
This member has been banned.
Location: Colorado
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 28 on 3/11/2005 7:46 PM >
| | | | Honestly, what's to stop untrustworthy people who are part of a clique from 'trusting' each other and then becoming "trusted" members? This won't stop much, it will make it more difficult for the general public to see parts of UER, but will it stop rats and thieves who are otherwise "contributing" members of UER from becoming "trusted"? No. It won't.
If an undercover FBI agent can get into the Mafia, a few bidonistas will be able to become "trusted" on UER.
Having said that, it's a good idea, it just won't do what it's intended to.
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Chainsaw
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Location: Underground, Colorado
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 29 on 3/11/2005 7:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by Roadwolf
All in all, I think everyone who deserves it will eventually get a trusted star. but for everyone it may not be right away.
lets just try it out,
Roadwolf,
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From the very trusted close friend of several admins and the site owner...
yeah...
Run some more number for us RoadWolf for the ~2000 US and Canada location database entries - how many of them were posted by the people that get the initial trust star? My bet is not very many - is it appropriate for this initial group to control access to a set of information that they did not create?
Here's an alternative - how about only the people that *I* have given my "trust" to can see the sites *I* have posted? This is instead of *YOU* giving "trust" to see the sites that *I* posted?
Let's take Joe Dispshit - I don't trust Joe further than I could spit a rat (not very far, just imagine its little claws digging at your tongue) - but if he manages to get you to give him a trust he can see my locations, right?
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Sinister Crayon
Location: Colorado
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 30 on 3/11/2005 7:53 PM >
| | | | Posted by Chainsaw
Here's an alternative - how about only the people that *I* have given my "trust" to can see the sites *I* have posted? This is instead of *YOU* giving "trust" to see the sites that *I* posted?
Let's take Joe Dispshit - I don't trust Joe further than I could spit a rat (not very far, just imagine its little claws digging at your tongue) - but if he manages to get you to give him a trust he can see my locations, right?
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That sounds a bit more logical... but it's still not right. This trusted thing was abolished a long time ago because.... IT DIDN'T WORK. And the reason it didn't work is because not many people who deserved the status thingy got it.
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Roadwolf
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
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<Reply # 31 on 3/11/2005 7:57 PM >
| | | | I think you forgot about the fact that you could vote someone who is trusted, out of being trusted. .. if given a good reason.
so if you dont trust someone, you could vote for them to not be trusted...
uhm.. also, maybe in the future if required, we could impliment the ability to block certian users from seeing your locations, but i dont see that as being an initial step.
Roadwolf,
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Averus Black
Mr. Evil
Location: Toronto, ON
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 32 on 3/11/2005 8:00 PM >
| | | | I'm glad to see the site is back, and working again.
Trusted, trusted. What's trusted? Someone you know and can vouch for? Unfortunetly, when you get down to it, this idea - while it may be a good one in theory - may not work in real-world application. You can try it I suppose, but Av, I'm tellin' ya' dude... Don't hold your breath on this one. =/
The system, over time, will be subject to corruption. I'm 95% sure this won't work the way it's intended to, but it will probably give a bit of leverage against people who would, say, sign up to raid the LDB to commit crimes or some such, which is one of the major concerns of law enforcement agencies when it comes to this site, as far as I've been able to tell. At least it'll put a bit of a curve on things, but it won't work entirely the way you want it, not to mention the internal politics that this system can cause. It's a problem waiting to happen, methinks. =(
But, that's just my opinion.
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Chainsaw
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Location: Underground, Colorado
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 33 on 3/11/2005 8:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by Magical Trevor
That sounds a bit more logical... but it's still not right. This trusted thing was abolished a long time ago because.... IT DIDN'T WORK. And the reason it didn't work is because not many people who deserved the status thingy got it.
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I agree, I just refrain from posting critical information in my LDB locations, and I don't post sensitive sites at all.
This won't change anything.
That's not true, it will send the very clear message to the majority of users that though their contribution is valuable enough to keep, they are not.
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Explorer H
Obla-di-obla-doberator
Location: Around the corner from the Turkey Hill
Gender: Male
I just want some slack.
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<Reply # 34 on 3/11/2005 8:08 PM >
| | | | <One note though, I'd like to remove the locations I have posted in the database before I lose my access to the database. I don't think it would be fair to keep database locations available for other members when the creator is not able to access them. Especially when they are in no position to determine who can or cannot see them.
I'm not much for sucking admin dick, so I assume it will be a while before I get any kind of trusted status and I don't think it's appropriate for you to restrict *my* access to the content *I* provided because of it.
So, you can either pull down the locations I have created and remove the content I contributed to other locations or I'll do it myself.>
I feel this trust thing could be good, but can also have some drawbacks. I strongly agree with the above quote. I mean, if I went to my friends house with a brand new set of Lego, and my buddy lets my new Lego in the house, but not me ... I'd be pretty pissed. I'll just take my toys and go someplace else. I really don't know anybody on this board except for one or two pals that I've turned on to it. So how the hell do I gain this "status" - sounds a lot like High School. I like this board very much, and have several new locations that I was going to post into the LDB - but, hell, if I can't view ’em, what's my incentive. It's a great conversation piece to show a buddy, or two, what I like to do when I'm not being a daddy and a teacher. It's a very impressive place, and I truly understand the need for "security", but how do I know I'm going to be accepted into the "Board of Trustees"?
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The Great Bear
Gender: Male
I wonder what this does....ZAAAAP!!
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<Reply # 35 on 3/11/2005 8:13 PM >
| | | | Seems like a good idea to me....
One way to get things going i.e. full trusted status, is to use the stars we already have.
First the admins, and the mods, then people we (you've) met at OPEX or NEopex. then people that have made a signifigent time or money contribution or who have made a signifigent number of posts over time.
That should give uer a good start of trusted people in order to start trusting others.
Just my thoughts
The Great Bear
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Subav
This member has been banned.
Location: Colorado
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 36 on 3/11/2005 8:15 PM >
| | | | Honestly, what this will do is not keep those who aren't worthy of trust from attaining the "trusted" status, it will just keep those who don't want to kiss ass from becoming "Trusted". All this system will do is allow *any* ass kissers to become trusted, while keep otherwise trustworthy people who do not from becoming trusted.
Take me for example, I can be an asshole and I refuse to kiss ass. Will I become "trusted"? Probably not. Not because I'm not trustworthy, but because I don't play politics.
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Chainsaw
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Location: Underground, Colorado
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT
<Reply # 37 on 3/11/2005 8:16 PM >
| | | | One way I see to make this fair - delete the current database, or leave it public.
Then the admins and their "1337" crew of trusted buddies can start their own database - and nobody will care.
Screw this, I'm sick of this argument already.
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Chainsaw
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Location: Underground, Colorado
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT
<Reply # 38 on 3/11/2005 8:27 PM >
| | | | Ya know what - I just tried to go through and delete my location entries - slow piece of shit - screw it - you can keep em.
I just can't believe that us good hearted contributing members of this board have to go through this bullshit to protect sniveling little pissants like Mike Dijital. He's a thief and an asshole and I no longer want to be associated with him - and I'm sick of jumping through hoops to protect his damn "rights".
I'm not playing this damn "trust" game, I've invested too much of myself in this site to play - I've watched too many honorable, decent contributors run out of here on a rail because of these stupid games and I'm not waiting my turn.
So, in honor of EXPLORERS like Max Action, Big Poppa Mikey and Barraclou I'm outta here. You whiney wannabes can kiss my ass.
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Emma Peel
Location: Ahowah
Gender: Female
Ghosting you like you've never been ghosted before.
| | Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT
<Reply # 39 on 3/11/2005 8:33 PM >
| | | | Nice job, Av. It really sounds like you're being very democratic in how you want to run your site in the future, and seems like you have gone to great lengths to meet people in the middle who have different ideas than you. Hopefully some people can recognize that. I think this is a great idea, and is definitely a step in the right direction.
However, regarding people saying that, "This won't stop snitches," etc, yeah. It won't. But if you don't want someone "snitching" information about you, don't post it online for the rest of the world (or "trusted" community) to see. There is a certain level of acceptance for your own actions that comes along with UE, and that is knowing that what you're doing IS illegal, and you have to be ready to accept the consequences of your actions, if you DO get caught or "snitched" on.
Anyway. Again, I'm all for this, it sounds great. And on the contrary to someone saying, "I smell a popularity contest," I think the "popularity contest" was with the trusted things before. Now, I think it will be much more neutral, since normal members can do it. Hopefully people will be responsible about it and try to keep it to people they really do trust.
<3 Emma
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