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1 2   UER Forum > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > Lock Picking (Viewed 1449 times) deltacbravo  Location: NYC, Rochester I am Shiva, the Destroyer of Worlds  |  |  Lock Picking < on 2/9/2005 5:10 PM >   Does anyone here effectively use lock-picking as a method of entry when there are no alternatives? Is it a difficult thing to learn and perfect? What types of tools would I need to pick most deadbolts and padlocks? http://www.industrialnewyork.com ofberenonehand  Location: Minn-e-snow-ta "Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 1 on 2/9/2005 5:51 PM >   Pretty sure this has been covered, but, here are some default answers: Yes, they can be effective. No, most people don't use them often for legal reasons. Yes, it is a difficult skill to perfect. Start with a basic pick kit and lock. Practice. "That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal Bleak   |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 2 on 2/9/2005 6:41 PM >   Once you get the hang of it, Lock Picking is quite easy. A friend of mine is better than I am; but here is the site I used to teach myself, and passed on to him later: http://www.lockpic.../lock-picking1.htm It explains very well how a lock works, and what flaws it has. When were out on a UE, we take Picks with us, because it has been proven useful. Just, if you want to, check the state laws on carrying Lock-Picks in your area. In Alabama, were we live, it's ok to have them on you. But if you are seen using then on a restricted area, you can be fined or something. This sight looks like it has some good info on other types of locks, other than the most common Timber Lock: http://www.fortlib...lock-picking.shtml It has stuff like Magnetic Locks, U-locks (I think?) witch there was a topic on not too long ago. (New York Times did an article on them.) And some other interesting stuff too. Anyways, Hope I've been of help. [last edit 2/9/2005 7:02 PM by Bleak - edited 2 times] I once was lost, but now I'm just forgotten; Was blind but now I see. All I once loved, ever held dear, Is just a memorie. -Bleak uem-Wotan  Noble Donor Location: Montreal Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 3 on 2/9/2005 7:55 PM >   Posted by MrWrinkleBear7 When were out on a UE, we take Picks with us, because it has been proven useful. Just, if you want to, check the state laws on carrying Lock-Picks in your area. In Alabama, were we live, it's ok to have them on you. But if you are seen using then on a restricted area, you can be fined or something. The general consensus is also that if you get caught inside a site with lockpicks - whether or not you used them to gain entry - you're in a ton more trouble then if you didn't have them. Hence why most people will not bring lockpicks with them. Asbestos, schmestos! deltacbravo  Location: NYC, Rochester I am Shiva, the Destroyer of Worlds  |  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 4 on 2/9/2005 9:13 PM >   Now that I think about it, carrying lockpicks doesn't seem lick such a good idea, but I guess having the skill is still neat. http://www.industrialnewyork.com PyroMaster  Location: wny hamburg area Gender: Male best band ever  |  |  |  |  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 5 on 2/9/2005 11:49 PM >   i carry picks with me every were i go...the come in handy more thatn u would think it took me a while to learn and i was pretty good at it but lately i havent used them much and find i have a hard time with them...does any one know the laws on carrying them? i stoped recently cause of paranoia wait i'm not supposed to be here? -no o ok fuck you then ofberenonehand  Location: Minn-e-snow-ta "Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 6 on 2/9/2005 11:57 PM >   In most places they are only illegal to use in the commission of a crime. *technically* In reality, if you are caught with them you will automatically become MUCH more suspicous. Also, they will be confiscated and possibly used as character evidence against you. Side note--My friend was arrested and had picks on him. They were perfectly legal to have and had absolutely nothing to do with the crime (and could not be construed that way by the farthest stretch of imagination). They were still confiscated and kept. They also like to do this with multi-tools. "That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal Bleak   |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 7 on 2/10/2005 4:28 AM >   Yeah. I see what you guys mean. Buy, it can be as simple as having two paperclips with you, or in your pocket. I was in my church the other night, picked open a few locks using just a paperclip, and a safety pin. Its good stuff. I once was lost, but now I'm just forgotten; Was blind but now I see. All I once loved, ever held dear, Is just a memorie. -Bleak Suave   |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 8 on 2/10/2005 3:54 PM >   Yeah but Bleak those are brand new locks so the action is smooth and you can really tell if you've bound a pin. With old locks it's much harder without the proper tools. NuclearWinter  Location: Cobb CA, ever heard of it? Gender: Male  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 9 on 2/13/2005 8:59 AM >   sort of new here, this is my first post and iv only been here for a week or 2. anywho, when i go on an adventure which i have already taken a peek at (as in know the area from either maps, trusted info, ect) i bring my picks. i dont use them as much as i would like and i have been stopped before by police with them on me. i know the dangers of being caught in a sticky situation with a set of picks on. like i said, i only go on adventures if i know the layout. i use a 17 piece southord. maybe next year i shall move a bit up in size but i havent had any trouble with the set i use. You Cant Spell Manslaughter Without Laughter greywolf45  Location: U.S.A. Gender: Male Resident UER pain in the ass  |  |  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 10 on 2/13/2005 6:48 PM >   Posted by deltacbravo Does anyone here effectively use lock-picking as a method of entry when there are no alternatives? Is it a difficult thing to learn and perfect? What types of tools would I need to pick most deadbolts and padlocks? Lock-picking is considered breaking and entering, and the authorities here frown on that shit. Wish i knew how though. "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" Martin Luther King Jr. Erehwesle  Location: Philadelphia, PA Gender: Male How can you hide from what never goes away? - Heraclites  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 11 on 3/13/2005 1:09 AM >   There are a ton of ethical issues here, which have been discussed to death. I will point out, though, that to compromise the average cheap Master Padlock, you really only need a rake pick and a tension wrench. These are small, and can be kept in a small slit, say in the lining of your jacket, thread into the inseam of a pair of jeans, or tucked into a small slit in your pack if it has a foam liner of any kind. Again, at your risk, but most of the time police don't take you apart with a fine tooth comb. There is the standard issue that you might look dodgy if caught out as you are concealing things, but if you are to the point where they are examining the seams of your clothes, you're in trouble anyway. I'm just saying, that there is a middle ground between going out with no picks and having a $5.00 padlock frustrate you, and roaming about the countryside tricked out like an gypsy locksmith. Edited to add: Again, I most of the time, will only pick padlocks (particularly Master Padlocks, I have utter contempt for those), and then leave them unlocked. I think this often makes me less likely to get accused of B&E, as the couple times I've been approached, I was able to say, truthfully, well, the gate was unlocked, actually, and I just thought considering that I'd walk in to see if I could get a better picutre/find someone to ask permission from/whatever occurs to me. The usual response to this from the rent-a-cops is, 'damn, I could have sworn I locked that up', and a minor disinclination to write up a report, as it is their responsibility to keep things locked. Of course, there is always the risk of getting locked in... easier to get out than in though. Of course, I try to stay away from active sites, so your mileage may vary. my $.02 [last edit 3/13/2005 1:22 AM by Erehwesle - edited 2 times] Screaming to god for death by drowning One salt smell of the sea once more? sephatista  Location: Colorado  |  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 12 on 3/13/2005 5:06 AM >   I do lockpicking and safecracking as a hobby, as well as exploring, however i wouldn't want to mix the two. when you lockpick recreationally you are picking only your locks that you have bought, or a lock that you have permission from the owner to mess with. the same goes for safes. in a UE type situation you don't normally have permission from the owner(if there is one) and thus don't have explicit permission to any locks on site. there is a clear and large legal difference between breaking and entering and trespassing. if the site has anything that may be of interest to ANY kind of thief, and you are caught on the premeses with any sort of locksmithing tool or anything that could be used as such, you're in big trouble. nobody will believe you that you were there just looking around and more to the point, nobody will care. in addition to the legal issues, if a certain locked door or gate is frustrating you, there is usually another, easier, way in if you look hard enough. a friend of mine was having a really hard time with a 12ft. razor wire topped fence when trying to get to some train tracks, well after mucking about at the gates and trying his feeble lock skills on the padlocks, he eventually found a hole at the bottom of the fence. as for the difficulty of picking locks, some are easier than others. people seem to have misconceptions about picking locks, it's not some james bond thing where you stick a pick in the lock and voila! it yields. with practice some lock become easy, like master padlocks. it also depends on the tools you have, if you have the right type of pick, etc. master padlocks are pretty easy with practice, the ones i practice on i have gotten them open in 2 seconds flat using raking techniques with a proper pick, conversely, it took me about 30 minutes to pick my front door deadbolt. lockpicking101.com for good information. my philosophy is that any door or access point that someone thought enough about to stick a lock on it and secure it isn't any of my business, but open doors are fair game. anyway i'm a n00b from colorado. JustiN   |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 13 on 3/13/2005 9:13 PM >   Would anyone know of possible places to get lockpick kits from some where else than the internet, or some way to make efficient lockpicking kits yourself? ofberenonehand  Location: Minn-e-snow-ta "Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 14 on 3/13/2005 10:19 PM >   Dremel tool+dipsticks=Lock picks. "That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal sephatista  Location: Colorado  |  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 15 on 3/13/2005 10:29 PM >   most of the custom picks people make use hacksaw blades. there are templates for different types of picks you can get online and then cut/grind them yourself. again, lockpicking101.com for more info. pretty much any question you have can be answered using the search function on that board. JustiN   |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 16 on 3/13/2005 10:36 PM >   Dremel Tool??? Dipsticks??? whah?!? sephatista  Location: Colorado  |  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 17 on 3/13/2005 10:49 PM >   you can shape picks with a grinder(dremel isn't the best unless you can secure it into a vice) and some flimsy yet strong metal, like hacksaw blades. Freak  Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite  |  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 18 on 3/14/2005 3:54 AM >   The MIT guide recommended metal street sweeper bristles, which I've used to make picks. You can find them in the street after it's been cleaned, they break off frequently. Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 ofberenonehand  Location: Minn-e-snow-ta "Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."  |  Re: Lock Picking <Reply # 19 on 3/14/2005 5:30 AM >   Their all plastic around here. 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