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 Maverick
Location: South Carolina
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<Reply # 40 on 7/14/2003 4:33 PM >
|  | | | yeah they can if ther new and not broken in and taken care of. I use them because I run through woods and dont like nails. The point is keep those feet protected. If your good and dont step on crap thats cool. If your like me sometimes you need steel shanks ;)
egos stop learning and if your not learning your dead |
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j0lt
Location: Kobe, Japan
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 41 on 7/14/2003 4:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
I've sat here with people telling me my grappling hook wouldn't work, my boots aren't going to help in climbing<snip>
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I've seen both the grapple and the boots in action.
They work.
j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 42 on 7/14/2003 4:39 PM >
| | | | Posted by j0lt
I've seen both the grapple and the boots in action.
They work.
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thats just crazy talk j0lt... the grapple will not work, it will bend, and rope with knots in it, will break...
and Tabi have no purpose...
;)
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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j0lt
Location: Kobe, Japan
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 43 on 7/14/2003 4:42 PM >
| | | | Posted by Maverick
yeah they can if ther new and not broken in and taken care of. I use them because I run through woods and dont like nails. The point is keep those feet protected. If your good and dont step on crap thats cool. If your like me sometimes you need steel shanks ;)
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Well, if you're at a site that requires such protection, a good pair of Gladiators would be quite nice. (Gladiators = high quality steel-toe/shank combat boots)
I have black leather shoes that I wear, and they're old and worn in to the point where they fit like a glove, but they still creak. Not loudly, but enough so that I can hear them.
I think I need a new pair of tabis.
j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! |
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Shane
Moderator
Location: Bronx, NY
Gender: Male
| |  |  |  | | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 44 on 7/14/2003 5:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by Maverick
Yeah but man i wanted to be friendly with you but I hate to say it you jab every new guy who comes in here making them not like you to much at first. |
Actually, I haven't been around on this board all that long, and Jester's never jabbed at/made fun of me. Then again, I usually just stay out of flamewars and only post when I have something valuable to say.
"Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk |
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j0lt
Location: Kobe, Japan
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 45 on 7/14/2003 5:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by Shane
Actually, I haven't been around on this board all that long, and Jester's never jabbed at/made fun of me. Then again, I usually just stay out of flamewars and only post when I have something valuable to say.
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If more people posted like that, this place would either be much more useful, less cluttered, or empty. :p
j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! |
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Conundrum
   
Criticón
Location: GTA
Gender: Male
Now Entering The Bling Chamber
| | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 46 on 7/14/2003 7:22 PM >
| | | | how do you do the water infiltration, silent movement, and no foot print tricks to the boots ?
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Carpe Noctem
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Green Man
Location: Niagara Escarpment
Gender: Male
| | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 47 on 7/14/2003 7:28 PM >
| | | | Maverick,
my bullshit meter is also tingling, but it's not off the scale.
The world is filled with bullshitters, wannabes and fraudulent losers, and most of them are pudgy, pasty faced kids who think that playing CounterStrike makes them seasoned operators. So you'll forgive me for being a little leery. There is maybe a battalion worth of real deal, been there, done that guys, and divisions of pitiful, pud pulling pecker heads who claim to be. So you know some guys who were such and such. So what? So do I. Doesn't make me anything. Just cause you know some of them, doesn't mean that you have special skills that we should all defer to. Proximity doesn't transfer hard earned skills. Unless you've earned your Ranger tab, or graduated SF Q course, or passed Delta selection, or survived Hell Week, it's all moot. I have acquired a lot of the same skills over the years. The knowledge isn't that hard to find. There are definitely some very useful skills that can be learned from their methods. I don't however mistake this knowledge for being SF qualified. There are good reasons why a lot of people try out for these units and don't pass. That is because they require abilities and skills most people don't possess. So unless you can actually proffer valid credentials, you just come across as a guy who thinks he's a battle hardened SEAL cause someone told him a few things once.
There is a world of difference between going into an abandoned factory, taking some photos, and going home to your nice warm bed at the end, and parachuting into a hostile country with 150lbs. of gear strapped to your self, navigating your way through a darkened forest under that weight, lying in an OP for days, getting no sleep, shitting and pissing in a bag, assaulting the target, and then fleeing for your life, engaged in a running gun battle with an angry pursuing army. I suspect that most UEers are very cognizant of the distinction. I admit I like investigating my environs. I'm a curious, cautious explorer with an interest in history and architecture, and a wee bit of a thrill seeking side. I don't however think that this qualifies me to be an AF PJ. I'm not living out any commando fantasies. I'm not pretending that I'm on a SWAT team doing CQB drills.
So you claim to have done some freaky, daring stuff. Whoopteedoo, so have I. So have a lot of people on this board. Doesn't mean that I am more qualified than anyone else and that they should now follow my directives. I have learned a lot of neat things in my time, and I will gladly pass on the knowledge I have garnered. Conversely, I am grateful for some of the tips people have posted here, for sharing their knowledge with me. You may well know some things. Cool. Share the info. But coming on with an antagonistic holier than thou air won't win you a lot of friends. I have some bad news for you. You don't know everything, and you aren't the messiah we've all been waiting for. I don't know if you've noticed but this is a pretty diverse group of people, with different ideals and motivations. There is also a bit of an anarchistic bent to this whole endeavour. This isn't a military unit that will follow the same SOPs.
I admit that I am fairly prudent in my explorations. I will check out the surrounding area, draw maps, gather as much info about the site as possible, observe the place for a while, figure out ingress and egress routes. Maybe I'm somewhat more strack than some UEers. That's just my approach. Don't know if it's right or wrong, but it is how I do it. I bring a lot of safety gear, maybe even too much, but I would rather air on the side of caution.
Your point of Nomex is an interesting and to my mind valid one. I have Nomex gloves, balaclava and flight suit. I used to fight forest fires, am around fires daily, and rally nav-co. So perhaps it makes sense for me to have this stuff. For UE it is probably overkill, although I would say that having it probably can't hurt. When it comes to the difference between something that will melt into my skin or not, I know what I will choose.
I also have to agree with you about safety belts. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about look into riggers belts or last chance belts. A wortthwhile thing for anyone to have really. you can wear them like a regular belt, but you can use them in an emergency to rappel with.
I personally prefer boots, but I also appreciate something like mocassins, which are to my mind a better choice than tabis.
There are different approaches to this, and all of them have some validity. Like I said, this isn't an army you can tell what to do. Share ideas, ask questions, offer suggestions, but coming across as some bad ass spec ops warrior who knows the gospel truth about all of this stuff, is bound to rub some folks the wrong way.
And I don't think your writing skills are really that abysmal, but I have to concur, there is the magic of spell checkers.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 48 on 7/14/2003 7:46 PM >
| | | | Greenman,
quite well put.
Though I would say mocasins will do quite well to give you a silent step, equal or superior to Tabi, they won't grant the benefit I choose Tabi for primarily, the split toe. It's actually quite amazing how in many climbs, they can make a bad climber competant, and a good climber extremely good...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Maverick
Location: South Carolina
| | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 49 on 7/15/2003 12:08 AM >
| | | | I take back my last statment due to the fact he took it to private msgs
[last edit 7/14/2003 10:29 PM by Maverick - edited 1 times]
egos stop learning and if your not learning your dead |
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Pyrodesiac
Location: NL, Canada
Gender: Male
TNT can make a dull day fun!
| | | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 50 on 7/15/2003 1:57 PM >
| | | | I agree with greenman. Anyway, I just though you'd like to know, in a PM Maverick told me he can keep up with his Ranger buddies. My question is, if you're so covert ops, why are sitting around bragging about it on a computer? Two more points and then I'm done.
1) Special operations soldiers have to have a university degree. Your spelling dosen't look like you've got a university degree.
2) Special operations soldiers aren't allowed to tell anyone that they are. So, how do you know all this about them?
I would like to reiterate that I am not trying to flame, just raising sensible points. Please keep the flaming out of it, everyone.
Only turkies have left wings.
Happiness is a belt-fed weapon. |
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Maverick
Location: South Carolina
| | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 51 on 7/15/2003 7:29 PM >
| | | | Pyrodesiac
I wasnt braggin period. I keep up your the one who got on my friggin case and said i cant do this well yes I can. Hence the so called bragging.
point one is wrong.. plain and simple.. to do spec ops you need a highschool dregree.
point 2 is wrong. Two reasons one is you can tell unless your delta you cant tell what you do specficly.
Also most of the guys i know are no longer actively serving allowing them more leway about things. If you dont believe me go to every recruiting site. you gotta be 18 have a High school diploma or GED. Also spetsnaz are US there Russian
Yes I am in a university no I havent finished due to being activated by the air force. Gramer can be fixed by spell checks and proof reading and help from my teach that helps me with my learning disability. Im not fast on my feet with spelling sue me.
[last edit 7/15/2003 2:52 PM by Maverick - edited 2 times]
egos stop learning and if your not learning your dead |
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Pyrodesiac
Location: NL, Canada
Gender: Male
TNT can make a dull day fun!
| | | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 52 on 7/15/2003 11:33 PM >
| | | | Special forces soldiers do need a university degree in a field of their choice. You're wrong. Sorry. And they aren't allowed to talk about anything. You're wrong about that too. Sorry.
Only turkies have left wings.
Happiness is a belt-fed weapon. |
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Green Man
Location: Niagara Escarpment
Gender: Male
| | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 53 on 7/16/2003 12:40 AM >
| | | | Sorry Pyro,
But I think he's correct. There isn't a demand to have a university degree for most Special Forces units. It would definitely stand you in good stead, but it is not necessarily a requirement. The selectors would probably cast a more favourable eye upon you, but it isn't as though you would be rejected out of hand for not having a college or university degree. Mind you, dummies will get washed out very quickly, due to the fact that the intellectual component of selection is almost as tough as the physical component. A very high degree of mental power is necessary. Dems school is very mentally rigorous and Meds school is even tougher. You'd better be operating at a very high intellectual level for SOF, but a university degree is not an out of hand requirement.
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Maverick
Location: South Carolina
| | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 54 on 7/16/2003 1:43 AM >
| | | | I just checked to make sure if anything changed on the Air force special operations command site. There is nothing about people needing a degree. SECONDLY they can say they were special operations (excluding delta). However beyond that and a few other things they can't. Now get your crap straight. Hell I'll pull out the idiots guide to special operations when I get my 3 days off and write the requirments (my spelling errors included). They however like you to have a 2 year degree (I believe its 2 year) for level 5 which is 3-5 years from the end of training. Not to mention while you go through basic training and other training programs you get college. I was half way to my two year after my tech school.
egos stop learning and if your not learning your dead |
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Mochi
Location: West Jordan, Utah
Gender: Male
Stare deep into a kitty's nose.
| | | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 55 on 7/16/2003 3:43 AM >
| | | | MORAL OF THE STORY:
(Nearly) Everybody hates Maverick.
>_< Mochi, and then the squirrel ate Dib's greasy head.
JESUS SAVES!!!
(And then he redeems his tickets for free prizes!) |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 56 on 7/16/2003 3:47 AM >
| | | | I'm not hating Maverick. I don't agree with some of what he says, but on the other hand I agree with some of it. I don't agree with lots of people though... 
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Maverick
Location: South Carolina
| | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 57 on 7/16/2003 7:00 AM >
| | | | Well shit if I am that well hated I'll get off here its no real skin off my back. I thought I would put my imput in, but thats cool if you guys dont want the info I'll leave you be.
egos stop learning and if your not learning your dead |
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Mochi
Location: West Jordan, Utah
Gender: Male
Stare deep into a kitty's nose.
| | | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 58 on 7/16/2003 9:11 AM >
| | | | NOTE TO MAV: I've said nothing but good things towards you (unless I recall incorrectly) since you've gotten here. I just said NEARLY EVERYONE hates you, which tends to be true. I'm not saying whether or not I do, because I don't want to flamed. (Cuz I forgot to snag RHS' fire-proof suit from Manual Override's house tonight.)
>_< Mochi, what a lame UE. Just a portapotty. Hardle abandoned too. There was a hobo...
EDIT : Forgot 5 words...
[last edit 7/16/2003 4:12 AM by Mochi - edited 1 times]
JESUS SAVES!!!
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Maverick
Location: South Carolina
| | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 59 on 7/16/2003 10:42 AM >
| | | | No its not about Mochi. He stated a fact. I realized my information feel on deaf(SP) ears. Why should I leave it up as it was chastized at every turn? Personally I'm ashamed of myself for allowing my honesty (weather you believe it or not), and my exsperinces turn this whole thread into a flame war that ate up the moderators bandwith. I pulled it to kill the fire a bit. I said some aggressive things to people making it worse. I guess I will go off for now unless I have something truely stupendise to add which I doubt will be heard anyways. "With no fuel there is no fire" So I removed the fuel. Thanks for the few that were supportive and I am sorry I feel ashamed of starting this over something as trivial as people I know, and the information I gave.
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