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1 2 3 4   UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > Banning lurkers... (Viewed 1588 times) Poll Question: Should lurkers be banned from UER? Total Votes: 86 1. Yes, if they do not introduce themselves. 6 6.98 % 2. Yes, not posting, no enjoying of this site. 12 13.95 % 3. Yes, lurkers of any type not welcome. 6 6.98 % 4. No, give them a chance. 45 52.33 % 5. No, anyone including vandals and arsonists can read about us. 17 19.77 % BigPoppaMikey  This user has been banned. See the banlist page for more details. Location: Milpitas, California Gender: Male Don't follow me unless you want to...  |  |  |  |  Banning lurkers... < on 12/31/2004 3:29 AM >   I understand that certain people here are lurkers. Whether for good or bad reasons, we may never know. And I am not saying that just because someone lurks it automatically makes them a bad person. Some people use this site as a resource for their explorations and just do not feel comfortable sharing what they feel, find, etc. It is the other types of lurkers that I am concerned about. Those that use the UE DB to find sites to vandalize, tag, steal from, use for raves, commit arson, etc. Why should we have to put up with that? So, I propose to Av that he start banning people that do not post within their first 30 days (at least tell us who you are). There are many people here who have the same concerns that I do and I do not know why this has not been brought up before. If we lose some people here, I am sorry, because not all lurkers are bad. But I would rather lose a few to save the sites for the many... Wishing I was Jack Dalton just to have all the cool leftovers... oCtAnE  Location: TORONTO, CANADA Gender: Male EXPLORER AT LARGE  |  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 1 on 12/31/2004 3:32 AM >   I second that. It's well worth it if we can save some locations. -Octane FUELED BY OCTANE. The Hitman's Daughter  Account Closed Location: ottawa, canada Gender: Female hot pavement.  |  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 2 on 12/31/2004 4:14 AM >   just because someone "introduces" themselves, doesn't mean they aren't lying their faces off and aren't a cop or vandal. richellesart.com From now on and until the end of time, "Hip To Be Square" will conjure images of bloody bodies being hacked apart with axes. HauntedPA  Location: Anywhere and Everywhere Gender: Female What do you mean the rum is gone?!  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 3 on 12/31/2004 4:23 AM >   Posted by The Hitman's Daughter just because someone "introduces" themselves, doesn't mean they aren't lying their faces off and aren't a cop or vandal. Definitely true there. However, someone who never posts after a long period of time really isn't doing anything for the site as a whole. Taking up space is all they're doing in reality. Maybe something if you don't post or post a location within 6months or something you should have to re-register? I know there's a lot of dead accounts lying about so some "house keeping" might be in order. arcanehl  Gender: Male  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 4 on 12/31/2004 4:51 AM >   I propose a new poll: anyone who has committed something of questionable nature in the past be banned. After all: if they've done it before, why not again? greywolf45  Location: U.S.A. Gender: Male Resident UER pain in the ass  |  |  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 5 on 12/31/2004 4:53 AM >   Lurkers deserve as much a chance as anyone of us did when we first came here, as long as they don't make asses of themselves, as we did at sometime in our stay here at UER. "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" Martin Luther King Jr. Freak  Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite  |  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 6 on 12/31/2004 4:54 AM >   There are plenty of reasons for lurking besides devious or surveilance purposes, and it's usually impossible to judge someone's intentions based on their posts. The only reason I can see for such a posting requirement is to clean up "dead" accounts. I'd be interested to see what other people think, which is always a good idea before trying to take matters into your own hands. Personally I think a period of lurking is good on any forum. It lets you learn the ways of the forum, super-secret features like the "search" button, forum rules, etc. Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 greywolf45  Location: U.S.A. Gender: Male Resident UER pain in the ass  |  |  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 7 on 12/31/2004 4:55 AM >   Posted by arcanehl I propose a new poll: anyone who has committed something of questionable nature in the past be banned. After all: if they've done it before, why not again? Where's the poll? Almost said "where's the beef", caught myself in time though. "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" Martin Luther King Jr. HauntedPA  Location: Anywhere and Everywhere Gender: Female What do you mean the rum is gone?!  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 8 on 12/31/2004 4:56 AM >   Posted by greywolf45 Lurkers deserve as much a chance as anyone of us did when we first came here, as long as they don't make asses of themselves, as we did at sometime in our stay here at UER. When you've lurked for more than a year I think it's time to give it up though. I mean I posted the same day I got access. Why? I had been lurking prior to that. You can read all the forums you wish (cept for private forums and the LD and not be registered. ::shrugs:: greywolf45  Location: U.S.A. Gender: Male Resident UER pain in the ass  |  |  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 9 on 12/31/2004 5:29 AM >   Posted by HauntedPA When you've lurked for more than a year I think it's time to give it up though. I mean I posted the same day I got access. Why? I had been lurking prior to that. You can read all the forums you wish (cept for private forums and the LD and not be registered. ::shrugs:: I'm registered, check my profile. And yeah, i lurked around for a while, replying to comments that i felt need my opinion. I just wanted to get the lay of the site, and wanted to become comfortable with everything before i started adding my two cents worth.I enjoy the site, and interacting with all the members, so there is a logical need for lurking. Some are comfortable with it, some are not. Me, i think i'll have another beer. "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" Martin Luther King Jr. BigPoppaMikey  This user has been banned. See the banlist page for more details. Location: Milpitas, California Gender: Male Don't follow me unless you want to...  |  |  |  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 10 on 12/31/2004 5:33 AM >   Posted by Freak There are plenty of reasons for lurking besides devious or surveilance purposes Which is why I said some people use this site as a resource for their explorations and just do not feel comfortable sharing what they feel, find, etc. And I completely understand that because there a few locations I will never post on here. But... After 6 months, hell, even 3, you need to say something... BPM [last edit 12/31/2004 6:44 AM by BigPoppaMikey - edited 1 times] Wishing I was Jack Dalton just to have all the cool leftovers... Noah Vale  Location: Portland, Or It's nobler to never get paid, than to bank on shit and dismay  |  |  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 11 on 12/31/2004 6:03 AM >   Posted by Octane I second that. It's well worth it if we can save some locations. -Octane If you want to save some locations, simply be more prudent with what you post in the LDB/online. No need to go witch hunting. "Dallas is a magnificent and wide open city, and I'm deeply envious of any urban explorers who have the good fortune to live there." -Ninj. The Great Bear  Gender: Male I wonder what this does....ZAAAAP!!  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 12 on 12/31/2004 6:09 AM >   You seem to imply that lurkers are somehow doing "something" I'm registered, a semi-active explorer, and I lurk most of the time; reading posts, looking through the database, should I be banned? My gut feeling is that most people reading the forum have lurked for a while, some never register some do. Lurking allows outsiders to become familiar with what we do and what we're about. Av already has a system to limit bandwidth (that image replacement on the database) Now, if you want to talk about people that have registered and never posted on any forum, yeah, after a given time they should be removed from the user list. How long...a month, 6 months...I don't know. For the record, I registered because I wanted to look at the pictures. I'm sure others have done the same, and will continue to do the same, but as I said before, if they haven't become active after a given time, remove them from the user list. 'nuff said for now, [last edit 12/31/2004 6:09 AM by The Great Bear - edited 1 times] greywolf45  Location: U.S.A. Gender: Male Resident UER pain in the ass  |  |  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 13 on 12/31/2004 6:32 AM >   Posted by BigPoppaMikey Which is why I said ome people use this site as a resource for their explorations and just do not feel comfortable sharing what they feel, find, etc. And I completely understand that because there a few locations I will never post on here. But... After 6 months, hell, even 3, you need to say something... BPM I hear what you're saying, and i agree. But speaking from the point of view of someone who has participated in lurking before joining UER, some folks take longer to feel "at home" with a new place, and strangers. I had no problem in this department, but I do see your point BPM. I am just looking at things from both sides of the fence. [last edit 12/31/2004 6:35 AM by greywolf45 - edited 1 times] "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" Martin Luther King Jr. Samurai  Vehicular Lord Rick Location: northeastern New York No matter where you go, there you are...  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 14 on 12/31/2004 7:09 AM >   Can of worms question. There are great arguments both for and against... if you are really into the topic, most people post right away. If you are shy, well... I can see where this forum is kind of intimidating. Of all the forums that I frequent, this is probably the most intelligent, well-informed and politely combative one of them all. That can be scary. Sure we fight, bicker, bitch and moan, but hey, that's the fun of it. I agree with the fact that if you haven't posted in 6 months, maybe a reminder should be mailed saying, "hey, post or be deleted." that may provoke people to, as my dear old mom says, 'shit or get off the pot.' outright banning may not be the coolest solution. But hey, this isn't my world... I just play in it. Samurai Krenta  Location: Saint Paul, MN Nope, wasn't me.  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 15 on 12/31/2004 7:40 AM >   Posted by The Hitman's Daughter just because someone "introduces" themselves, doesn't mean they aren't lying their faces off and aren't a cop or vandal. [observation] You type "cop" like it's a bad thing. [/observation] Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. White Rabbit  Women's Advocate Location: Missouri Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 16 on 12/31/2004 2:36 PM >   If someone's a cop or a vandal or looking for rave sites, banning lurkers isn't going to deter them one bit--they'll just post some crap in a few pointless threads around here. Bottom line is the only ones you will be getting rid of will be the lurkers who joined just to look at the pictures, who probably don't want to be forced to participate just to look at cool UE stuff. Underground Ozarks http://www.undergroundozarks.com Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Kansas stealthy  You got a problem bro?  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 17 on 12/31/2004 3:17 PM >   Posted by HauntedPA Definitely true there. However, someone who never posts after a long period of time really isn't doing anything for the site as a whole. Taking up space is all they're doing in reality. Maybe something if you don't post or post a location within 6months or something you should have to re-register? I know there's a lot of dead accounts lying about so some "house keeping" might be in order. But how much space are they really taking up? Without an avatar, around 2kb. With an avatar, maybe approaching the 17kb range, given it is a big avatar. Given that this server has what, a 200gb hdd, it can hold many user profiles. Besides, who knows if they will actually post? Perhaps they haven't found a suitable thread to post in, or they're too shy to start a new thread introducing themselves. The Hitman's Daughter  Account Closed Location: ottawa, canada Gender: Female hot pavement.  |  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 18 on 12/31/2004 3:51 PM >   Posted by Krenta [observation] You type "cop" like it's a bad thing. [/observation] *shrugs* if there was a cop investigating break-ins with certain buildings and they track you down here, find your website, your name, your information, your photos, and bust your ass.... that could be a bad thing. i'm not saying "cops are bad". I just meant "cop or vandal" as in "somebody here to use the site for purposes that could be detrimental to exploration" richellesart.com From now on and until the end of time, "Hip To Be Square" will conjure images of bloody bodies being hacked apart with axes. Silent Knight  Location: Niagara region Gender: Male Kastle Archives Productions Inc. (since 1999)  |  |  Re: Banning lurkers... <Reply # 19 on 12/31/2004 5:22 PM >   Posted by BigPoppaMikey I understand that certain people here are lurkers. Whether for good or bad reasons, we may never know. And I am not saying that just because someone lurks it automatically makes them a bad person. Some people use this site as a resource for their explorations and just do not feel comfortable sharing what they feel, find, etc. It is the other types of lurkers that I am concerned about. Those that use the UE DB to find sites to vandalize, tag, steal from, use for raves, commit arson, etc. Why should we have to put up with that? So, I propose to Av that he start banning people that do not post within their first 30 days (at least tell us who you are). There are many people here who have the same concerns that I do and I do not know why this has not been brought up before. If we lose some people here, I am sorry, because not all lurkers are bad. But I would rather lose a few to save the sites for the many... The fact that "we may never know" pretty much says it all. Forcing people to post within 30 days - isn't a lie detector test. Obviously anyone can make up any fiction they like and we'd be none-the-wiser. Instead, we'd end up with people who would otherwise silently lurk simply posting junk and nonsense just to meet the 30-day posting criteria. As I said in the pvt. msg exchanges between you and I the other night - given the often hostile environment that takes place in many of the forums...I can hardly blame someone for not getting actively involved with posts. A large majority of msg. threads disintegrate into flamewars and non-productive garbage. Whether or not Avatar figures out a better solution remains to be seen. But it doesn't mean members should take it upon themselves to harass other members they deem to be lurkers. If you have reason to believe an individual is becoming a problem - bring it to the attention of the mods (or Av himself). Silent Knight You can always tell when you're watching Canadian television - the actors in the show are the same ones doing the commercials. UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > Banning lurkers... (Viewed 1588 times) 1 2 3 4   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site: UER CONTACT View Terms of Service | View Privacy Policy | Server colocation provided by Beanfield This page was generated for you in 406 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 741282845 pages have been generated.