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 'CrasH
Location: Ottawa
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 |  | Safety Harnesses for Climbs?
< on 10/19/2004 10:26 PM >
|  | | | Hey All,
I have a question about harnesses used on long climbs... (like, too high for me to want to worry about falling climbs... ;))
Would a standard sport climbing harness work (with a suitable set of double 'biners (sorry, dunno what the thing is called, that you clip to the ladder as you go)) ..or would a full body (industry type) safety harness be the only way to go? I'd kind of like to be able to rappel in the harness, as well as do some sport climbing.
Additionally, does anyone know what the double 'biner thing is called, and where I can buy one? I'd like this to be as safe as possible, the thing I'm planning on climbing is rather high... 
Thanks,
'CrasH
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| | Re: Safety Harnesses for Climbs?
<Reply # 1 on 10/19/2004 10:35 PM >
| | | | Get a sport harness and a few carabiners. Thats really all thats needed, unless your inverted. However you will need describe just a little more about what your climbing on. That may better help in your safety needs.
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'CrasH
Location: Ottawa
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| | Re: Safety Harnesses for Climbs?
<Reply # 2 on 10/19/2004 10:42 PM >
| | | | ...well, I haven't exactly finished scouting (that will be tonight, I hope..  ) but what it looks like is a basically unprotected (ie. no cage) ladder running up the inside of a 1.5m x 1.5m shaft... The ladder that I have seen is in good repair, but i still haven't checked it all out... I don't plan on being inverted, but I may look into a chest harness (in addition to the sport harness) to prevent inversion...
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
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| | Re: Safety Harnesses for Climbs?
<Reply # 3 on 10/20/2004 3:24 AM >
| | | | I would strongly advise you invest in some formal training before you invest in equipment you don't know how to use. Judging by the kinds of questions you're asking and the terminology you're using, you don't have any experience with this kind of stuff. Look for a course in this subject or find someone that is certified to show you the ropes.
That aside, you'd probably be better off with a full body harness designed for ladder climbing. Rock climbing seat harnesses don't give you any upper body support, which can be important when you're coming to a jarring stop on a steel cable.
Depending on what the ladder has to attach yourself to, you could need one of several different kinds of anchoring rigs. There are some setups that use something similar to an ascender that grabs the steel with a cam to arrest a fall. Other types have a sling that tears apart a calculated amount to absorb the force of a fall.
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| |  |  |  |  | Re: Safety Harnesses for Climbs?
<Reply # 4 on 10/20/2004 3:04 PM >
| | | | People use climbing harnesses for ladders? Is this a pretty common thing? I've climbed a few decently tall ladders in my time and it never really occured to me to get a harness for it. I've been thinking about doing some huge construction cranes sometime in the near future, would a harness be adviseable?
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Caput_58
Location: Virginia, USA
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Safety Harnesses for Climbs?
<Reply # 5 on 10/20/2004 3:15 PM >
| | | | My understanding of OSHA type rigs is that the chest harness isn't for support, its to keep you head up after a fall. For what its worth, you can improvise a chest harness with a length of webbing if you know what you're doing. Of course you may not be at that point, since you have me fairly confused with the "double 'biner" thing. I'm guess that you mean two seperate carabiners on short lengths of line used to clip in. If that what you mean, then you're talking about 'lobster claws'.
Anyway, you should find a copy of "On Rope" before going much further. The harness issue is sort of a matter of preference. Me, I prefer not to wear a bulky super expensive harness, so a climber or caver harness is enough for me.
Caput_58
Disclaimer: Never used a harness for climbing a ladder, considered it at time though.
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| | |  | | Re: Safety Harnesses for Climbs?
<Reply # 6 on 10/20/2004 3:20 PM >
| | | | Industry standard says three points of contact while climbing a ladder and harnesses for anything over six feet high that does not have an approved safety railing around it.
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
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| | Re: Safety Harnesses for Climbs?
<Reply # 8 on 10/20/2004 5:06 PM >
| | | | If you have a good seat harness already, using a chest harness like the one you linked to should treat you well. Make sure you test the setup by hanging from a tree in your backyard to see if everything works like you want it to before you're dangling from some ladder.
If the ladder in question has the long cable type of safety, you'll want something that will absorb as much energy as possible and in as graceful a manner as it can. It would not make your day any more fun if you were caught by your fall arresting equipment, but the carabiner attached to the cable snaps from crossloading or something.
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'CrasH
Location: Ottawa
Gender: Male
...I need a picture...
| | Re: Safety Harnesses for Climbs?
<Reply # 9 on 10/20/2004 8:53 PM >
| | | | Posted by MacGyver
If the ladder in question has the long cable type of safety, you'll want something that will absorb as much energy as possible and in as graceful a manner as it can.
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...I don't think this is the case, but I'll be sure to keep it in mind.
Thanks for all the help, guys.
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
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| | | Re: Safety Harnesses for Climbs?
<Reply # 10 on 10/23/2004 8:29 AM >
| | | | You won't need any gear if you don't fall. If you do you're going to want an energy absorbing lanyard, a good harness, and a brain bucket in case you bash your noggin on the way down. OSHA is a bit more anal than most explorers are since it is for people who do this on a daily basis. If you do something 1000 times, I almost guarantee you will fuck it up once....at least. Some people do something 3 times and think they know everything because nothing bad has ever happened to them. You always take your chances, being more prepared just lessens them.
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