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1 2 3   UER Forum > Archived UE Main > Change to Quiz (Viewed 1104 times) -MisfitStyle-   |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 20 on 10/16/2004 5:15 PM >   Such an intelligent response that it had to be posted twice! EDIT: the post I was responding to has been removed. [last edit 10/17/2004 2:31 AM by -MisfitStyle- - edited 2 times] "I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window." Need help? Please use the Contact a Mod forum — I'm slow to see PMs. Plytheman  Location: Lawrence, Massachusetts Obey The Deer  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 21 on 10/16/2004 5:43 PM >   Whatever, if the person taking the test had any common sense they would know what answers to pick anyway... I think there were a few I didn't agree with 100% but I still managed to get in and be part of the boards. =P Whatever, I dont intend on needing to take it again, so either way it doesn't bug me. I'm achin, I'm shakin, I'm breakin, Like Humans Do!! -Byrne HairyTheTaco  Location: The Hammer, Ontario Gender: Male  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 22 on 10/16/2004 9:16 PM >   Its your choice really, its your site and you probably put the most time and money into it. I had no problem with any of the questions I had my quiz, however I forgot what most of them were because its been months since I had to do it. Maybe you can post the questions you removed? Porcelain Princess  Location: Westminster, Colorado Gender: Female Defunct  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 23 on 10/16/2004 9:20 PM >   I think it helped to make people aware of what most of us do stand for. I am sorry but coming here and bragging that you break windows or something stupid like that, you will have your ass handed to you. It was a heads up to people. And about the mods, I am sorry but screw that comment... I have had like one of my comments removed why? I knew it was coming because the comment the person made, it was a jack assed off topic responce, I said "I have a feeling that this will be deleted" or something on those lines but I wanted my feelings known, the only reason it was removed was because that other post was being removed. If you are totaly stupid, if you make a lot of jack assed remarks expect to have it removed. I love the mods for that, they save us our sanity... I have no problems with the mods, they are a lot more laid back than many mods I have seen. http://defunctplaygrounds.com - Defunct Playgrounds http://defunctplaygrounds.com/asylum - The Asylum Forum - We have a NICE chat! ;) salt  Location: winta hill, in sommaville Gender: Male  |  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 24 on 10/16/2004 9:26 PM >   what comment was removed, or what was it roughly saying, i to think the mods are very cool and laid back on this board, there not too laid back wich is usually a bad thing, but there also not uptight. they seem to play by the rules exactly which is what a mod should do. Live in Asylum  Location: Stratford, CT Gender: Male  |  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 25 on 10/16/2004 9:57 PM >   Yes, screw the ethics quiz... glad its gone, not fair to impose rules on people like that, dont be like the hilter wannabe big poppa mike... TK Porcelain Princess  Location: Westminster, Colorado Gender: Female Defunct  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 26 on 10/16/2004 10:01 PM >   Posted by Live in Asylum Yes, screw the ethics quiz... glad its gone, not fair to impose rules on people like that, dont be like the hilter wannabe big poppa mike... Fine example of what is off topic and needs to be removed or atleast edited... Now, Av didn't impose his ethics or the ethics of most the people here on anyone... Even if he did, fine, this is his site. If you can learn to read LiA, it doesn't say it was the rules... http://defunctplaygrounds.com - Defunct Playgrounds http://defunctplaygrounds.com/asylum - The Asylum Forum - We have a NICE chat! ;) Mike Dijital  UEDB Moderator Location: Boston MA. Gender: Male UE ver. 1.0  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 27 on 10/16/2004 11:08 PM >   Ive always thought the ethics UER promoted were shit, If im already breaking one law ( trespassing ) why not go for a few more. And to be quite honest with you, Go urbex with any of the people from this board who pound ethics, and you will learn like I did, that UER ethics are for the UER forum , and are " for the most part " not observed by UER people in the real world. So why even have them 80% of flaming and piss fighting is about these ethics. I understand In a situation as big as UER its good to wear a wholesome mask. but you know what , its not 2000 anymore, this thing has been chugging for many years and most people are tierd of the ethics. UER ethics that is, we all have certain guideline of how we explore. while my ethics have never changed because of this forum, I know of people who don't agree but pander up to these ethics, because they are going with the trend , flow of traffic, how ever you want to put it In life breaking the law in any fasion , is unethical, so where do ethics come into play for unethical behaviour. BPM lied and said he called the cops for me selling junk on Ebay, but never called for the 3000 members of UER who trespass on other peoples property. is it not unethical to call the police on an explorer who has posted the name of a location Look at the database, now take any random 10 locations, and ask the owner(s) if they think its ethical that you have there property advertized as a great place to " break into " on the internet, on a forum that is made of 70% people who break into buildings, and trespass into places they dont belong. Just because your ethic didn't destroy or steal, you have done something much more unethical to these property owners who our UER ethics should protect. you have opened them up to a lawsuit liability when johnny newbie hits UER and sees this great new factory and gets really hurt in there. What do you think the owner would rather have Johnny newbie spraypaint " motherfucker " on the wall or Johnny newbie not to have so easily learned about that location in the first place and not get hurt Ethics and trespassing look as perfect together as the words suffocation and life . Mike [last edit 10/16/2004 11:10 PM by Mike Dijital - edited 1 times] www.deggi5.com / www.mikedijital.com Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 28 on 10/16/2004 11:53 PM >   Posted by Mike Dijital And to be quite honest with you, Go urbex with any of the people from this board who pound ethics, and you will learn like I did, that UER ethics are for the UER forum , and are " for the most part " not observed by UER people in the real world. Well MikeD, I have never had a real problem with you, and you know that, but that statement is wrong, at least in my case. Ask any, and I do mean ANY explorer that has met me and they'll tell you that my ethics are in fact, EXACTLY as I say on here. It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Mike Dijital  UEDB Moderator Location: Boston MA. Gender: Male UE ver. 1.0  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 29 on 10/17/2004 12:09 AM >   Why are you being so DEFENSIVE jester? I did preface it with " for the most part " for moral people like you At Neopex I saw a few trinkets go into pockets from people who thump the ethics bible, and im sure there are others out here who can say the same. lets get off that comment Jester and focus on the REAL meat of my post. [last edit 10/17/2004 12:09 AM by Mike Dijital - edited 1 times] www.deggi5.com / www.mikedijital.com Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 30 on 10/17/2004 12:51 AM >   Posted by Mike Dijital Why are you being so DEFENSIVE jester? I did preface it with " for the most part " for moral people like you At Neopex I saw a few trinkets go into pockets from people who thump the ethics bible, and im sure there are others out here who can say the same. lets get off that comment Jester and focus on the REAL meat of my post. Precisely because the whole topic pisses me off. And it's a reason why I was extremely disillusioned with the UE community a few months ago... At Opex I also witnessed an explorer take something. I asked him about it, and when he said he did take it, I made a rude statement to him about it and walked away in disgust. For the rest of the exploration, I constantly spouted rude sarcastic remarks about the incident and suggested to the leader of the expedition (the person kind enough to take us into his turf) that the item the other explorer took should be put back. The thief (this was not an abandonment, it was an active facility the guy was Stealing someone's preoperty, no grey area) agreed to return the item to our guide to return. But, that person in question, I have lost all respect for. He returned it to save face, not for any other reason. It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Mark  Very Noble Donor Location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 31 on 10/17/2004 1:14 AM >   Jester, from everyone I meet and talked to and my personal exsperince, has great ethics. Although I dont think everything he is so ethical about suits, me I think the promotion of his ethics are a good thing. However preventing a guy that goes in drains, and tags in them, seems upseting. I'll show you what I mean about taging later, I dont want to see everything taged up by any means. However some sites are more interesting that way. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" Shane  Moderator Location: Bronx, NY Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 32 on 10/17/2004 1:18 AM >   Posted by Mike Dijital Ive always thought the ethics UER promoted were shit, If im already breaking one law ( trespassing ) why not go for a few more. Sure, we might as well carry guns with silencers and just shoot security guards. That way they won't bug us and can't call the cops. Hell, we can even use the guns to shoot out locks on doors doors and windows, eliminating all the trouble we have to go through to climb stuff and find a way in. you will learn like I did, that UER ethics are for the UER forum , and are " for the most part " not observed by UER people in the real world. So why even have them I agree, there are many people on this board (some very prominent and well known explorers) who suggest ethics such as not stealing, but in reality have houses full of "souveniers". To be honest, as long as they aren't stealing from places that I visit, it's their business and I'm not gonna get involved. If it's from a place that I see on a regular basis, I will tend to be a bit more protective of it because it is my home turf and it will be directly affecting my UE experience. The difference between those well known explorers that lie about their ethics and you that openly admits to stealing is one of tact. They know better than to go around talking about stealing things because it hurts the IMAGE of urban exploration. When explorers steal stuff from sites and stay quiet about it, it only directly affects the building owner and any other explorers that may visit the place. When explorers steal things from sites and talk about it, it hurts EVERY EXPLORER OUT THERE. Why? Because that contributes to the idea that all explorers are theives and vandals, and when authorities think that they will: 1. Be less likely to let explorers go with just a warning. 2. Pay more attention to UE sites and start monitoring activities more. 3. Make better efforts to secure/close up locations, making it difficult for everyone. While stealing and then spouting good ethics may be hypocritical, it is beneficial to the exploring community at large. There is absolutely NOTHING positive that can come from explorers stealing and talking about it on a public forum. In life breaking the law in any fasion , is unethical, so where do ethics come into play for unethical behaviour. BPM lied and said he called the cops for me selling junk on Ebay, but never called for the 3000 members of UER who trespass on other peoples property. is it not unethical to call the police on an explorer who has posted the name of a location Law does not = ethics. Something can be unethical, but still be legal, as can something be ethical but also be illegal. Laws can be changed for a reason, and they often are. Slavery was once legal, does that mean that it was ethical? Did it only become unethical when slavery laws were passed? Also, let me get this straight... You first claim that we should get rid of ethics on UER and then whine about BPM doing something "unethical" to you? Yeah, it may have been selective enforcement because he didn't call the cops on everyone on the board, then again, not everyone on the board admits to stealing. The fact remains that what he did was perfectly legal, although some people may claim that it was unethical to call the police on a fellow explorer. I guess you only want ethics to be an issue when it is convenient for you. "Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk Jesus Jones  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: back in Belleville Gender: Male 1973-2005  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 33 on 10/17/2004 2:32 AM >   *Jesus Jones sees the ball of forum members arguing and calmly wanders away to watch seagulls shit on pedestrains.* Arguing on the internet is like winning a race at the special olympics. Doenst matter if ya win, yer still retarded! People, this is turning into another pissing contest over ethics. We all have our own ethics and live by them, Av changed the quiz so as not to make it look like UER was trying to make every new member follow a certain set of ethics. Thats it... Final... Really in all seriousness, small things like this seem to set off a huge fight every time. Im surprised that he even posted this. Ive been here for one year and Ive seen more ethics fights here than drunk fights in a bar. Its time to calm down and relax. [11:23:20] * nightbird looks at jj's crotch in amazement [19:48:06] <Freak> YOUR TOAD A SPLODE [22:04:21] <keti> in fact, im rather robotic Virginity does not collect intrest. -Andrea [15:44:19] <Kellogs> i'm part of a complete breakfast you know =P wait...that sounds so wrong TurboZutek  King Dick Location: Scotland Gender: Male Giant octo-penised rapephant  |  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 34 on 10/17/2004 2:45 AM >   I agree with Jesus... Nahahahh! That sounds like a profound statement. Anyways, I had great ethics - until some bastard STOLE them!! Chris... We all had ostriches. My dad had an ostrich farm! I remember one day someone came in and said the high altitude bombing of Kosovo had been a limited success, so we all went out and celebrated… by killing an ostrich and boiling it in kiwi fruit. Mike Dijital  UEDB Moderator Location: Boston MA. Gender: Male UE ver. 1.0  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 35 on 10/17/2004 2:54 AM >   Ill tell you what my reply to all this is, Im going to get off this computer chair, Log ofF UER, and go explore And wether you agree with anybody on UER , you all should go right out now and Explore something for the sake of not wasting your night arguing mute points on an internet forum Drop your mouse, Burn your computer and go explore, Argue ethics in a dark hallway or tunnel jesus people =) Viva la urban exploration!!!! www.deggi5.com / www.mikedijital.com Shane  Moderator Location: Bronx, NY Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 36 on 10/17/2004 3:25 AM >   Posted by Mike Dijital Ill tell you what my reply to all this is, Im going to get off this computer chair, Log ofF UER, and go explore Just came back from doing that, 300+ pics. =D And wether you agree with anybody on UER , you all should go right out now and Explore something for the sake of not wasting your night arguing mute points on an internet forum By the way, its moot, not mute. I guess you have no actual response to the things I said. Maybe I should condense it down. You have 3 choices when it comes to exploring and stealing/vandalising: Choice 1: Don't steal/vandalise when at UE sites. Result 1: No harm to site owners or other explorers at all other than liability(maybe). Choice 2: Steal/vandalize and don't tell anyone about it. Result 2: You gain a trinket, the owner looses some property, local explorers miss out on an interesting part of the site, slight chance of owners locking down location if they notice anything missing. Choice 3: Steal/vandalize and tell everyone about it, on a very popular website. Result 3: You gain a trinket, the owner looses some property, local explorers miss out on an interesting part of the site, higher chance of owners locking down locations, the police/media/authorities opinion of explorers in general is lowered which can possibly cause harsher consequences for explorers worldwide. I don't really have a problem with stealing, as it generally doesn't affect me, but when you start talking about it in public, the consequences are much farther reaching. I'm not preaching about the ethics of stealing, I'm just asking that you be respectfull of other explorers and don't do things that will make their explorations riskier. "Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk salt  Location: winta hill, in sommaville Gender: Male  |  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 37 on 10/17/2004 4:16 AM >   Posted by salt just outa curiosity, why. im not saying its either a good or bad thing im just wondering why the ethics part of the quiz was trashed? is it because they do not pertain to the rules? thats what i assume. now im sorry i ever asked......lol Live in Asylum  Location: Stratford, CT Gender: Male  |  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 38 on 10/17/2004 4:32 AM >   If I could i would try and grab a whole UE site If it would just fit in my damn back pack... That is before the fucking assholes who find this site, then find the locations i enjoy and break all the good stuff inside before I would even be able to think of taking anything. I may take things from sites, I may also be saving them from complete destruction, and from never being seen again. I mean its different in a state hospital where the property has been sold and its all gonna be destroyed anyways. The only one who would get something in the end would be the demolition salvage person, and most of what I take is junk they would have to pay to have removed. A wonderful service I offer eh? Oh yea if it hurts your UE experience to of missed seeing it at a site you can come see it at my house. I guess its time to go get a bigger bag... TK Mike Dijital  UEDB Moderator Location: Boston MA. Gender: Male UE ver. 1.0  |  |  Re: Change to Quiz <Reply # 39 on 10/17/2004 4:32 AM >   Yeah , and i just got back too, no pictures, because thats only required in online dickwaving contets the way you seemed to boast that fact. Salt you can't argue with them , you got two things you can do smile and laugh, then go on pushing buttons or go to someother website And shane I choose 3 cause im not a very ethical person cheers LIA ---- Use a hockey bag, you can cram those things !! 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