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1 2   UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > Active sites in the LDB (Viewed 739 times) The Hitman's Daughter  Account Closed Location: ottawa, canada Gender: Female hot pavement.  |  |  Active sites in the LDB < on 10/5/2004 12:46 AM >   I decided i'd finally make a thread about this, since I've mentioned it in a couple of LDB locations. This is probably gonna piss some people off, but it has to be said. Is it just me, or do some "active" locations in the LDB just seem like a total cop-out? More and more lately i've been noticing people creating locations in the LDB for active sites, such as hotels, schools, universities, and other buildings, that haven't even been infiltrated. They're just a couple photos of the outside of an office building that's still in use. Or a few photos of the lobby inside the hotel, and a hallway. Photos taken by people who did no real "infiltrating", they were just there like any other normal person would be. Now.. this is just my opinion, and some people may disagree... but I think that if you're going to be creating a location in the database for a "live" location, you darn well better be infiltrating it. And I mean seriously infiltrating. Sneaking in undetected and showing us some crazy no-access areas where nobody's allowed to be. Not just a photo of the front door of the local library. I don't care how "cool" the library looks, I don't care how big and beautiful the hotel is - if you haven't infiltrated and explored it, how is it a UE location? Snapping a picture of the local highschool as you drive by is not UE. At least not to me. Some people may argue that... but by that logic, I could just enter every single building in my entire city into the LDB. I could just walk up and down the street taking pictures of the mall, and the outside of the courthouse because it looks neat, and the local gas station, and the hospital and some dude's house, and make thirty thousand LDB entries. Lets see some actual infiltration of these live sites. example... good: The Chateau Laurier Great photos of the roof, power rooms, storage rooms, and basement of this active location. not just a couple photos of the building because it's "cool looking" (which it is, actually) bad: The University Of Ottawa nothing personal, minable... but how is this UE? One photogaph of the outside of Ottawa U? [last edit 10/5/2004 12:58 AM by The Hitman's Daughter - edited 1 times] richellesart.com From now on and until the end of time, "Hip To Be Square" will conjure images of bloody bodies being hacked apart with axes. 'Dukes  Noble Donor Gender: Male At least someone llikes me  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 1 on 10/5/2004 12:54 AM >   I guess I agree, but at least these are not "Ames". Off subject, but related, does anyone remember the post some guy put up of the old Manhattan project part that he took shots of? The cyclotron, to heavy and radioactive to be removed from the building. Now that was cool live infiltration, and history in the making. Who was that? And if I remember, it wasn't bullshit. 'Dukes Oh yeah, and eveyone was pissed because he had to use a screw gun and a crowbar. For something like that I think I would as well. Anyone remember the link? [last edit 10/5/2004 12:56 AM by 'Dukes - edited 1 times] I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. The Hitman's Daughter  Account Closed Location: ottawa, canada Gender: Female hot pavement.  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 2 on 10/5/2004 1:07 AM >   Posted by 'Dukes I guess I agree, but at least these are not "Ames". i know what you mean... those frigging Ames locations... *sigh* Anything's cooler than Ames. But that seems to be peoples excuse. It's a "cool looking" library, or a "cool looking" old hotel. People are forgetting that this web site and database is primarily about infiltration and exploration, not architectural appreciation. (heh, that sounds like some sort of crazy rap song)... But what i'm saying is the attractiveness and "coolness" of the building's architecture should come second to the infiltration and exploring of the building. richellesart.com From now on and until the end of time, "Hip To Be Square" will conjure images of bloody bodies being hacked apart with axes. ofberenonehand  Location: Minn-e-snow-ta "Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 3 on 10/5/2004 3:10 AM >   Someone on here wrote at some point that places that give tours can be considered infiltration. It's sort of a greay area as far as I'm concerned. On the spectrum, I'd say a shot of the outside of a building and nothing other than "it looks cool" falls short. Something 100% accessible anytime falls short, however I think you can UE open and active buildings or be lacking something in a profile. You would either have to "get off the beaten path" or dig up some good info or history. I mean, if you go to a place that's open to the public, atleast stick your camera around the corner and get a short of the off-limits area. Scope out the basement a little. Or, perhaps you haven't been able to infiltrate a space yet. Maybe you don't want to take the risk of a high security site. I'd say it's legit to scout it, research it, take some exterior photos and add it to the database. If it's capable and worthy of infiltration I'd say it is a good addition. Maybe people are just slacking when they add this stuff. Maybe they need to research a bit more. "That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal Mark  Very Noble Donor Location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 4 on 10/5/2004 3:17 AM >   Well we did alot of live stuff during OPEX. If anyone remebers Ruffis I think. Anyways none of the buildings were hard to get into but they were fun. I also do active sites but I almost never take a camera. Its crazy to get caught with a cam while in disguise in say a chicken plant. If I had a mini cam I could pull it off. Live infils should have more info and a story if your going to short the pics in my opinion. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" The Hitman's Daughter  Account Closed Location: ottawa, canada Gender: Female hot pavement.  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 5 on 10/5/2004 5:02 AM >   I just noticed the thread about this in the "main" board, and I'd like to state again that my beef is not with live sites. My beef is with live sites that are being entered into the LDB without any sort of exploring/infiltrating being done. richellesart.com From now on and until the end of time, "Hip To Be Square" will conjure images of bloody bodies being hacked apart with axes. Mark  Very Noble Donor Location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 6 on 10/5/2004 6:24 AM >   Next time you seem them THD kick them right in the balls. Then have Thirsty laugh at them because hes got a sexy gf and they dont;) Just revenge I think. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" micro  Gender: Male Slowly I turned  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 7 on 10/5/2004 9:49 PM >   Posted by The Hitman's Daughter good: The Chateau Laurier Great photos of the roof, power rooms, storage rooms, and basement of this active location. not just a couple photos of the building because it's "cool looking" (which it is, actually) I wouldn't even count this one as an example of "good" seeing how whoever took the pictures of the roof just took it from one of the windows inside the place. I mean, if you're going to post roofing shots you should have at least set foot on it. As for that storage room.. *yawn* And apparently this is a "drop everything - must see" location? C'mon! Roland  Location: Baltimore, MD Gender: Male Proud Leader of Brandishing a Firearm on the High Seas UE  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 8 on 10/6/2004 2:07 AM >   What would you say about partially abandoned (or completely abandoned, I guess) locations without inside pics? I know I've put a few locations in the database such as this one: http://www.uer.ca/...ow.asp?locid=21995 and this one: http://www.uer.ca/...ow.asp?locid=21845 Now in both of these cases I actually have been inside (honest!) but for some reason or another I didn't have a camera. I am definitly planning on going back to both locations to get some interior shots, but I was anxious to add a few of my favorite places to the database. Would you say that I should have waited until I got some pictures from inside to create the location? Buildings have two natural enemies- water, and bears. Duke  Noble Donor Location: Awww-shitby, Ontario Gender: Male Move it or lose it  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 9 on 10/6/2004 4:45 AM >   I think it's safe to say that we all UE for reasons OTHER than just an overwhelming urge to trespass, so I don't see anything wrong with a guided tour. We still get an idea of a building's history and "personality" if you will. I do agree that just random shots of the outside is quite the cop-out and should be held to a totally different standard. Contrary to popular belief, death isn't just for dead people. I know I was surprised too! It can happen to anybody! Horses, fiddler crabs, even a potato can die! - Tick The Hitman's Daughter  Account Closed Location: ottawa, canada Gender: Female hot pavement.  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 10 on 10/6/2004 11:04 AM >   that's different roland. I'm talking more about entries that are just one plain old picture of the outside of some random active building just for the sake of getting as many LDB entries as you can. richellesart.com From now on and until the end of time, "Hip To Be Square" will conjure images of bloody bodies being hacked apart with axes. Detroit  Moderator Location: Ottawa /Gatineau /Montreal Gender: Male 4-aminophenol and 2-5% potassium hydroxide  |  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 11 on 10/7/2004 9:19 PM >   This sort of crap happens because no one reviews the UEDB locations after they have been created. Perhaps the existing moderators are too busy to do this but I am sure there are lots of other members who would be more than willing to devote a little bit of time every couple days to review a list of pending new DB entries to ensure that they merit being online. Obviously there will be some disagreements but these would be far less annoying than the total lame ass DB entries that "some" people enter. On another note, I am sick of people who review new sites just to get a damned icon beside their name. How is that some entries get 8 or 9 out of 10 for content when there is next to no write up or information while others locations also score an 8 even though each photo is commented and there is accurate information about the history and future of the location? Obviously there are "some" members who check for new locations, click on the minimum number of pictures and then haphazardly score the entry with all 8s or 7s without even taking the time to properly review the information and photos. How can locations with blurry washed out pictures score the same as entries with carefully selected, creative, well shot photos? Bah! The level of intelligence on this forum keeps dropping every month. I think the stupid icons for number of sites created and number of sites reviewed should be abolished. They do nothing to promote quality DB entries and they entice people to act stupidly. The end of the beginning is the beginning of the end. Slickis  Noble Donor Location: Kokomo, Indiana Gender: Male Rest In Piece Booger 4-6-08  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 12 on 10/7/2004 11:14 PM >   Posted by Mark Next time you seem them THD kick them right in the balls. Then have Thirsty laugh at them because hes got a sexy gf and they dont;) Just revenge I think. Yeah, kick em in the nuts and give the loc a score of three 1's. I've been feeling funny since I went in that open crypt. Not sure what it is. IIVQ  Location: La Sud-Est du cité majeur du North-Holland (Bijlmer), .NL Gender: Male Back in Urbex!  |  |  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 13 on 10/13/2004 10:17 AM >   Posted by Detroit This sort of crap happens because no one reviews the UEDB locations after they have been created. Perhaps the existing moderators are too busy to do this but I am sure there are lots of other members who would be more than willing to devote a little bit of time every couple days to review a list of pending new DB entries to ensure that they merit being online. Obviously there will be some disagreements but these would be far less annoying than the total lame ass DB entries that "some" people enter. I'd be happy to do this, and I think THD and you (detroit) might be as well... Maybe there could be special LDB mods for this, where they have Mod access to the LDB but not the fora (forums) ... But that'd mean more coding for av... I don't think every location should be checked by a mod before it goes public, more like that mods check the LDB randomly and then sais "A mod endorses this location" or "A mod thought this location is not worth the LDB". In the latter case, after a PM to the creator and enough time for him/her to fix things up has not had any result: Unpublic and after some time: delete. I'm seriously willing to devote time to both helping in setting up such a system and modding the db. I'm addicted to uer.ca anyways so I could just as well make myself "useful" P.S. let's not get another star for this to keep the star hunters out - which reminds me: when is the star whore star coming? On another note, I am sick of people who review new sites just to get a damned icon beside their name. How is that some entries get 8 or 9 out of 10 for content when there is next to no write up or information while others locations also score an 8 even though each photo is commented and there is accurate information about the history and future of the location? [...] See my "Location DB: Rating Guidelines" rant for more on this. I tried to adress this, I know some people do know how I feel but I got a lot of negative replies like "don't tell me how to vote"... Somehow I feel that we should even get rid of the voting ... Well at least any location that is <5 sure is crappy, but a loc having 10/10/10 does not mean it's good. Bah! The level of intelligence on this forum keeps dropping every month. Every day you mean. *sigh* I think the stupid icons for number of sites created and number of sites reviewed should be abolished. They do nothing to promote quality DB entries and they entice people to act stupidly. Well, as Av allready did away with the and stars, there are now only 2 stars left that might lead to unwanted behaviour (and one reward for it: ). I couldn't see the star being dropped as you have to rate 50 locs for it which is massive, even I haven't rated that much. You have to be desparate for stars if you do that. About the star, in itself there is a safeguard: the location being above 7, but that turns us back to the problem of overrating which I have adressed but know no solution yet other than to abolish the ratings which safeguard the misuse this star. The snake bites its own tail. Tijmen P.S. Star System Explanation Edit: Appearently I Have rated over 50 locations as I do posess a db rater star. But it still is quite a task. [last edit 10/13/2004 10:12 PM by IIVQ - edited 1 times] Posted by MapMan | 18/9/2005 19:25 | Hedy Lamarr made porn? Posted by turbozutek | 20/9/2005 2:29 | Dude, educate us! The Hitman's Daughter  Account Closed Location: ottawa, canada Gender: Female hot pavement.  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 14 on 10/14/2004 12:03 AM >   Posted by IIVQ I'd be happy to do this, and I think THD and you (detroit) might be as well... Maybe there could be special LDB mods for this, where they have Mod access to the LDB but not the fora (forums) ... But that'd mean more coding for av... I don't think every location should be checked by a mod before it goes public, more like that mods check the LDB randomly and then sais "A mod endorses this location" or "A mod thought this location is not worth the LDB". In the latter case, after a PM to the creator and enough time for him/her to fix things up has not had any result: Unpublic and after some time: delete. I'm seriously willing to devote time to both helping in setting up such a system and modding the db. I'm addicted to uer.ca anyways so I could just as well make myself "useful" P.S. let's not get another star for this to keep the star hunters out - which reminds me: when is the star whore star coming? See my "Location DB: Rating Guidelines" rant for more on this. I tried to adress this, I know some people do know how I feel but I got a lot of negative replies like "don't tell me how to vote"... Somehow I feel that we should even get rid of the voting ... Well at least any location that is <5 sure is crappy, but a loc having 10/10/10 does not mean it's good. Every day you mean. *sigh* Well, as Av allready did away with the and stars, there are now only 2 stars left that might lead to unwanted behaviour (and one reward for it: ). I couldn't see the star being dropped as you have to rate 50 locs for it which is massive, even I haven't rated that much. You have to be desparate for stars if you do that. About the star, in itself there is a safeguard: the location being above 7, but that turns us back to the problem of overrating which I have adressed but know no solution yet other than to abolish the ratings which safeguard the misuse this star. The snake bites its own tail. Tijmen P.S. Star System Explanation Edit: Appearently I Have rated over 50 locations as I do posess a db rater star. But it still is quite a task. those are some good ideas. I would definately help check out LDB locations, but i think people would just get pissy about it and complain that certain people get to judge what's a "good ue location" entry. richellesart.com From now on and until the end of time, "Hip To Be Square" will conjure images of bloody bodies being hacked apart with axes. IIVQ  Location: La Sud-Est du cité majeur du North-Holland (Bijlmer), .NL Gender: Male Back in Urbex!  |  |  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 15 on 10/14/2004 12:48 AM >   Posted by The Hitman's Daughter those are some good ideas. I would definately help check out LDB locations, but i think people would just get pissy about it and complain that certain people get to judge what's a "good ue location" entry. Well, In my opinion the db-mods wouldn't mark "good" locations, but rather clear out really crappy locations. Just as the mods do a loxor on crappy threads, we do a loxor, and maybe eventually a remove, on the crappy ones. Any more Ideas? Tijmen Posted by MapMan | 18/9/2005 19:25 | Hedy Lamarr made porn? Posted by turbozutek | 20/9/2005 2:29 | Dude, educate us! The Hitman's Daughter  Account Closed Location: ottawa, canada Gender: Female hot pavement.  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 16 on 10/14/2004 1:37 AM >   as much as i would love to do this, i don't see it happening without causing some sort of giant argument. but yeah. there should be a way to flag entries that are total crap. The rating system works but not everybody rates locations. They might look at everything and see all the pictures but they won't rate it. richellesart.com From now on and until the end of time, "Hip To Be Square" will conjure images of bloody bodies being hacked apart with axes. oCtAnE  Location: TORONTO, CANADA Gender: Male EXPLORER AT LARGE  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 17 on 10/14/2004 12:50 PM >   Posted by The Hitman's Daughter Now.. this is just my opinion, and some people may disagree... but I think that if you're going to be creating a location in the database for a "live" location, you darn well better be infiltrating it. And I mean seriously infiltrating. Sneaking in undetected and showing us some crazy no-access areas where nobody's allowed to be. Not just a photo of the front door of the local library. I don't care how "cool" the library looks, I don't care how big and beautiful the hotel is - if you haven't infiltrated and explored it, how is it a UE location? Snapping a picture of the local highschool as you drive by is not UE. At least not to me. Some people may argue that... but by that logic, I could just enter every single building in my entire city into the LDB. I could just walk up and down the street taking pictures of the mall, and the outside of the courthouse because it looks neat, and the local gas station, and the hospital and some dude's house, and make thirty thousand LDB entries. Lets see some actual infiltration of these live sites. I couldn't agree more. If people are too lazy too infiltrate the active site, then don't bother putting it up as a location. It's a waste of space to have an active location with one or two exterior shots. -Octane FUELED BY OCTANE. The Hitman's Daughter  Account Closed Location: ottawa, canada Gender: Female hot pavement.  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 18 on 10/20/2004 2:31 PM >   Posted by Detroit On another note, I am sick of people who review new sites just to get a damned icon beside their name. How is that some entries get 8 or 9 out of 10 for content when there is next to no write up or information while others locations also score an 8 even though each photo is commented and there is accurate information about the history and future of the location? I noticed that too. I know for a fact that Thirstysandwich did a tonne of research for one of his locations, and he's rated a "6" for content on that one, which is lame... and then I was just looking at someone else's entry - they had absolutely nothing for content in their entry whatsoever, no information, nothing - and their content rating was "8". So, yeah, I think some people don't even think about what they're rating, they just look click through all the pictures and go "click click click" on the 7 or 8 and go on to the next location. richellesart.com From now on and until the end of time, "Hip To Be Square" will conjure images of bloody bodies being hacked apart with axes. Silent Knight  Location: Niagara region Gender: Male Kastle Archives Productions Inc. (since 1999)  |  |  Re: Active sites in the LDB <Reply # 19 on 10/20/2004 7:36 PM >   Just a quick comment... Since Av has just appointed a few of us as new LDB mods (Detroit, Servo and myself) - I thought it best to read through as many LDB discussions as possible to get ideas from everyone else as to what constitutes both good and bad database entries. In this regard, I appreciate everyone's input and hope it continues. I think the end goal is always to improve the LDB in whatever way possible, while listening to the opinions of those who participate in it. THD, you raised some good initial points about lame entries (peeps just wanting to add stuff to get an LDB star, or whatever) - and I think that's an issue that needs to be looked at more. Personally I think most of the Ames locations are rather lame - but at the same time they can also serve as reference to other explorers who might actually want to infiltrate and explore them further rather than just photograph them from the parking lot (like so many seem to do). Its also a good point that not everyone explores with a camera 24/7. In fact, I'd even love to see an LDB entry made with someone's artistic drawing or painting of a place (*nudge* THD *nudge*). Perhaps part of being an LDB mod can also be to actively encourage explorers to expand on their existing LDB locations with additional pics, stories, useful info, etc. I generally try and get as much info myself about places I've explored to add along with my LDB entries, even if its just relating a relevant factoid or conversation I had with someone I encountered while exploring a place. At any rate - hope everyone keeps up the input - and hopefully we can put some of it to practical use. Silent Knight You can always tell when you're watching Canadian television - the actors in the show are the same ones doing the commercials. UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > Active sites in the LDB (Viewed 739 times) 1 2   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. 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