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 Roadwolf
         
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
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< on 8/4/2004 6:27 PM >
|  | | | this is great stuff, if you haven't seen how well you can actually hide in it you'd be surprized.
Octane and I were in the woods doing some tactical training, when we split up, Octane was wearing US Army camo, the old stuff... I was wearing my new CADPAT uniform.
I had found our target that we were trying to sneak up on (wuffychicky) and i had called Octane on the radio. I was laying down on the forrest floor in a small clearing behind a very small and sparsely populated shrub (maybe only a foot high with only a few twigs). I could see Octane 100 feet away as he knelt down behind a tree... I told him to come to my location and I told him about 100 feet north west of his location. I also told him i was laying on the ground behind a bush...
He made his way towards me... but stopped 10 feet short of my exact position. he knelt down and looked around... came on the radio and asked me where i was again...
I told him i was right infront of him, he looked around... he couldnt see me... I told him to head straight... so he headed off in another direction... i had to actually tell him to come around the bush i was behind and it was only when he came around the bush that he saw me.
There are many other times where i have had very close calls with CADPAT. I was in a ditch once hideing in some bullrushes with a guy looking for me and knew exactly where I had entered the ditch cuz he saw me dive into it... but i was cornered then and i couldnt move... his car was right up against the ditch with his headlights shining over it, and he had gotten out and was looking through the bullrushes with his flashlight to find me. I stayed very still, it took him quite a while to find me even though his light had lit me up more then a few times , he said he just thought it was a mossy rock.
Real army issue CADPAT is apparently also good for hideing from thermal cameras. Apparently it hides your heat signature somewhat... I have no clue how.. but it does from what I have heard.
Also, the BDU's are useful for their number of pockets. the common BDU (battle dress uniform) or army jackets (commonly known as) typically has 4 pockets on the jacket and 6 pockets on the pants. great for equipment, masks, lenses, bug spray, gloves, maps, phones, cameras, monoculars, and many other things you might need for UE'ing.
The only unfortunate thing about BDU's is if your in the city or a urban area using them, you look out of place. but it is great for country adventures.
- Roadwolf,
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Duke
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Location: Awww-shitby, Ontario
Gender: Male
Move it or lose it
| | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 1 on 8/4/2004 6:38 PM >
| | | | Well as it's been pointed out around here numerous times, even in cities BDUs don't stick out too much because so many people wear them anyway.
Contrary to popular belief, death isn't just for dead people. I know I was surprised too! It can happen to anybody! Horses, fiddler crabs, even a potato can die! - Tick
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Roadwolf
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
| | | | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 2 on 8/4/2004 6:44 PM >
| | | | Posted by Duke
Well as it's been pointed out around here numerous times, even in cities BDUs don't stick out too much because so many people wear them anyway.
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yea but how often do you see someone dressed in full camo. i mean yea it is common to see someone with a pair of camo pants of a jacket, but a full uniform?
not that this doesnt stop me from using my camo in the city.. i just say i am practicing for paintball or going to painball or something....
but again, what is the point of using camo in lets say the downtown core where there is nothing but pavement?
on the other hand:
they should come out with a digital urban jungle type camo.. like a digital fabric with grey and light grey and dark grey colours... it would blend in well with pavement...
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Duke
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Location: Awww-shitby, Ontario
Gender: Male
Move it or lose it
| | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 3 on 8/4/2004 8:19 PM >
| | | | hmmmm, time to head to fabric-land and start makin EDUs (Exploration Dress Uniforms) to sell online : P
Contrary to popular belief, death isn't just for dead people. I know I was surprised too! It can happen to anybody! Horses, fiddler crabs, even a potato can die! - Tick
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scourge
Location: United States
Gender: Male
strive
| | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 4 on 8/4/2004 9:35 PM >
| | | | The new Army uniform is a digital pattern of green, tan, and gray (no black) which should work well in forest, desert, and urban environments.
The Marines have a digital pattern that works very well. It is even good at camo when the wearer is not standing in forest or desert - it breaks up the human outline that well.
The new Air Force BDU, on the other hand, is going to be a sickly bluish tiger stripe that looks ridiculous and is probably worthless as camouflage. Except, somebody probably got promoted for making that change. Thankfully I'm probably never going to have to wear them.
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r0sie
Resident Locksmith
| | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 5 on 8/4/2004 10:07 PM >
| | | | Cadpat is tacky IMHO, well for cities.
I prefer black. I have the pants, love em, and they dont stick out since I dont wear that matching top. I stick to active sites usually, so not looking out of place (too much!) at least is paramount.
Get a pair today!
rosie
[last edit 8/4/2004 10:08 PM by r0sie - edited 1 times]
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Gunslinger
Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region"
Gender: Male
| | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 6 on 8/4/2004 10:08 PM >
| | | | Where did you manage to get CADPAT without paying an exorbetant price for it?
[last edit 8/4/2004 10:59 PM by Gunslinger - edited 1 times]
[00:22:07] * Roadwolf prefers tampons over pads.
[19:42:01] <Roadwolf> i like penis.
17:04:43] <Avatar-X> i saw a husky outside earlier today 17:05:11] <Silent_Knight> you didn't get shagadelic on it, didya' Av? ;p [17:05:12] <Avatar-X> yeah i don't know why :P |
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Roadwolf
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
| | | | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 7 on 8/4/2004 11:04 PM >
| | | | i got a full uniform for like 160.. at a small place i know in richmond hill
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Mark
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Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 8 on 8/4/2004 11:27 PM >
| | | | id like to see this died black. If anyone was at opex and saw jesters pants thats the shades most of us should look for if wearing that. That type of color is used by delta force quite regularly and works great.
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Gunslinger
Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region"
Gender: Male
| | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 9 on 8/5/2004 4:35 AM >
| | | | they actually make forest, jungle, desert, and urban CADPAT, its just outside of forest, the other types are diffcult to get in a surplus store. You have to understand most stuff in a surplus store has been "decomisioned" (means used) and the surplus store can purchase it. As of yet no CADPAT has been decomisioned, so the only way for a surplus store to get brand new CADPAT is if the supply sgt. is feeling good that day and a few sets happen to "fall of the back of the truck".
[00:22:07] * Roadwolf prefers tampons over pads.
[19:42:01] <Roadwolf> i like penis.
17:04:43] <Avatar-X> i saw a husky outside earlier today 17:05:11] <Silent_Knight> you didn't get shagadelic on it, didya' Av? ;p [17:05:12] <Avatar-X> yeah i don't know why :P |
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reduxzero
Location: Edmonton, AB
Gender: Male
| | | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 10 on 8/5/2004 7:12 AM >
| | | | CADPAT is, as mentioned, apparently really awesome for hiding in anything that's green and natural. But the combats are fuckin' hot, and the wind goes right through them. Not to mention, the workmanship and material is kind of shitty (damn cheapest bidder!) and they seem to fade really fast.
Also, I've heard they're illegal to sell in Canada. You can find knock-offs, but real CADPAT is controlled material.
The old green combats were awesome.
Edit: About the thermal signature of CADPAT: the material does indeed have some IR reducing properties. However, every time you put the combats in the washing machine, or the dryer, it takes away a tiny bit of the masking substance. Better than nothing, I suppose.
[last edit 8/5/2004 7:15 AM by reduxzero - edited 1 times]
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Roadwolf
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
| | | | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 11 on 8/5/2004 11:20 AM >
| | | | Posted by Gunslinger
they actually make forest, jungle, desert, and urban CADPAT, its just outside of forest, the other types are diffcult to get in a surplus store. You have to understand most stuff in a surplus store has been "decomisioned" (means used) and the surplus store can purchase it. As of yet no CADPAT has been decomisioned, so the only way for a surplus store to get brand new CADPAT is if the supply sgt. is feeling good that day and a few sets happen to "fall of the back of the truck".
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there is also civilian CADPAT which is what this store sells NEW... Although my pants and my helmet are both military issue, decomisioned items, those items are hard to find. The NEW Civilian stuff is similar the the army stuff but not made to the same specs and there is something different in the design. Not much, just something slightly different which makes it legal to sell to the public. (For the most part the company which makes the stuff... "Frontinac" just sews their name on the front of the jacket where the soldiers name would go.)
So far of the canadian CADPAT... Both Forest and Desert are available at this place.
I believe they also sell the urban US Army digital camo and jungle camo.
Roadwolf,
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NoSuchPerson
Stop, or I'll ask you again!
| | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 12 on 8/5/2004 11:26 AM >
| | | | Posted by reduxzero
Also, I've heard they're illegal to sell in Canada. You can find knock-offs, but real CADPAT is controlled material.
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It's not that it's illegal to sell, it's illegal to posess it in Canada unless you are a member of the armed forces. That's for the "Real Deal" however. The "knockoff" stuff Frontinac makes is 100% legal to sell, buy, posess, wear...whatever. It's a Federal offence to impersonate a member of the Canadian Armed Forces (The charge is called Treason, something you don't wanna mess with), so I don't think I'd want to get caught wearing the real ones.
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Roadwolf
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
| | | | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 13 on 8/5/2004 11:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by reduxzero
CADPAT is, as mentioned, apparently really awesome for hiding in anything that's green and natural. But the combats are fuckin' hot, and the wind goes right through them. Not to mention, the workmanship and material is kind of shitty (damn cheapest bidder!) and they seem to fade really fast.
Also, I've heard they're illegal to sell in Canada. You can find knock-offs, but real CADPAT is controlled material.
Edit: About the thermal signature of CADPAT: the material does indeed have some IR reducing properties. However, every time you put the combats in the washing machine, or the dryer, it takes away a tiny bit of the masking substance. Better than nothing, I suppose.
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The canadian BDU's are lighter and more durable then the american style BDU's... Canadian BDU's use a polyester / nylon fabric which makes it light yet strong. I have never had a problem with the stiching other then on the used pants that i have... one of the leg pockets needs to be stiched up a tiny bit but hey, a little work and their as good as new.
Actual military issue CADPAT as mentioned above is illegal to buy new as a civilian. however they company which makes the military CADPAT "Frontinac", just redesigns the civilian stuff. For example the civilian pants are a single layer of fabric, with a regular fly and regular ankle cuffs.
Whereas the military pants have double ankle cuffs so they can tuck one cuff in their boot and have the other cuff outside of their boots... They also have a interesting double fly... which has a up and down zipper on it (for going to the bathroom i would assume). They are also double layered fabric from about 4 inches above the knees down to the ankles.
It is the same pattern, just a different design slightly.
Roadwolf,
[last edit 8/5/2004 11:28 AM by Roadwolf - edited 1 times]
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Conundrum
Criticón
Location: GTA
Gender: Male
Now Entering The Bling Chamber
| | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 14 on 8/5/2004 1:50 PM >
| | | | Posted by Roadwolf
I believe they also sell the urban US Army digital camo and jungle camo.
Roadwolf,
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the way to tell if the digital camo they have is real US Army issue, look on the fabric for a globe and anchor (the USMC logo), it will be printed throughout the fabric. Hard to find, but if its there it's the legit stuff.
and even though the new digital camo is better, as stated above, I still like the all green uniforms we used to have.
[last edit 8/5/2004 4:16 PM by Conundrum - edited 2 times]
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Gunslinger
Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region"
Gender: Male
| | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 15 on 8/5/2004 3:15 PM >
| | | | So far of the canadian CADPAT... Both Forest and Desert are available at this place.
Is it the civillian stuff or actuall CADPAT? Also the dual zipper is desinged for men (sorry ladies) to be able to take a piss easier, you use the one on the bottom so you dont have to undo your belt and button to take a piss. Its so you dont get caught on the field with your pants down (yes i expect several jokes to follow). Also i can give several tips on how to wear in combats (just pm me) because typically brand new stuff is stiff and bright and needs to be worn in slightly. Also you can get real CADPAT, its just damn expensive.
[00:22:07] * Roadwolf prefers tampons over pads.
[19:42:01] <Roadwolf> i like penis.
17:04:43] <Avatar-X> i saw a husky outside earlier today 17:05:11] <Silent_Knight> you didn't get shagadelic on it, didya' Av? ;p [17:05:12] <Avatar-X> yeah i don't know why :P |
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Roadwolf
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
| | | | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 16 on 8/5/2004 4:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by Gunslinger
So far of the canadian CADPAT... Both Forest and Desert are available at this place.
Is it the civillian stuff or actuall CADPAT? Also the dual zipper is desinged for men (sorry ladies) to be able to take a piss easier, you use the one on the bottom so you dont have to undo your belt and button to take a piss. Its so you dont get caught on the field with your pants down (yes i expect several jokes to follow). Also i can give several tips on how to wear in combats (just pm me) because typically brand new stuff is stiff and bright and needs to be worn in slightly. Also you can get real CADPAT, its just damn expensive.
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most of it is civilian... you can get the odd military issue cadpat... and it is normally used so it is worn in and such (it is also cheaper then the new stuff)
the double zipper works great... i have used it many times 
i didnt know you could actually buy the real stuff new? but why would ya do that if you can get something very similar, for alot cheaper?
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scourge
Location: United States
Gender: Male
strive
| | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 17 on 8/5/2004 5:57 PM >
| | | | Posted by Conundrum
the way to tell if the digital camo they have is real US Army issue, look on the fabric for a globe and anchor (the USMC logo), it will be printed throughout the fabric. Hard to find, but if its there it's the legit stuff.
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The globe and anchor are the Marines, and that stuff is not Army issue. Right now the US Army still uses the old school woodland camo but they will transition to a brand new style uniform very soon. Army =/= Marines. The Army stuff will not have the globe & anchor, obviously, however it is still legit. The real way to tell is look inside and find the sewn-in labels, which should have the description, date of manufacture, contract number and date, and a ton of other stuff printed in them.
The Marines have all-digital camo now, both woodland and desert. They do not use the standard camo any more. The Army and Air Force still use the standard woodland and desert camo. If you ever find the 'chocolate chips' looking desert camo, snatch it, because that stuff is old-school and has been decommissioned, and is getting harder to find.
I imagine in a couple years it will be very easy to buy brand new old-school woodland and desert BDU's since all the services are transitioning to new stuff. The new things however are very difficult to get right now - my dad is a retired Marine and he wanted to buy some of the new digital camo. We went in the cash sales uniform store on base one day and they wouldn't sell it to him, even though he had his 'retired after 20 years, unlimited privileges' ID card. I had to flash my active duty card and they sold them to me, even though I'm a different service.
BDUs are cool. Now I wish someone would design a flight suit with a camo pattern on it, so when I get shot down over Korea in 10 years I won't stick out like a sore thumb.
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Conundrum
Criticón
Location: GTA
Gender: Male
Now Entering The Bling Chamber
| | Re: CADPAT BDU's Great for Exploring !!!
<Reply # 18 on 8/5/2004 7:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by scourge
The globe and anchor are the Marines, and that stuff is not Army issue. Right now the US Army still uses the old school woodland camo but they will transition to a brand new style uniform very soon. Army =/= Marines. The Army stuff will not have the globe & anchor, obviously, however it is still legit. The real way to tell is look inside and find the sewn-in labels, which should have the description, date of manufacture, contract number and date, and a ton of other stuff printed in them.
The Marines have all-digital camo now, both woodland and desert. They do not use the standard camo any more. The Army and Air Force still use the standard woodland and desert camo. If you ever find the 'chocolate chips' looking desert camo, snatch it, because that stuff is old-school and has been decommissioned, and is getting harder to find... |
it was the USMC that desinged the US Armys version of the CADPAT called MARPAT, the MARPAT is what the army will be using, and is imbedded with the globe and anchor. also the tags on the inside of clothing, most times at surplus places the tag has been cut out. The MARPAT was created by the USMC with help from the Canadian Armed Forces, they provided the CADPAT to them and helped the USMC alter it, and gave them permission to use it.
Below are the CADPAT and MARPAT Digital Woodland Camo swatches.
Here is CADPAT
Here is MARPAT (can you spot the globe and anchor, its their signature put on ALL Digital clothing that will be warn by any US Military Officer)
Here is MARPAT with the globe and anchor circled
Conundrum
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