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 1993gt40
 
Location: Austin, Texas.
Gender: Male
 |  | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 20 on 8/12/2004 12:10 AM >
|  | | | My Beretta 96fs. .40cal I do have my C&C permit. It's not that I take it with me to go UE, but rather I take it everywhere anyway.
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tick
Location: Abingdon, VA
Gender: Male
| |  |  | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 21 on 8/12/2004 12:39 AM >
|  | | | I have my concealed handgun permit too, but as far as exploring goes, I only carry if I'm not blatently trespassing. It'd just be too much trouble trying to explain why I need a gun in a steam tunnel.
As previously mentioned though, the best protection is to explore with other people, and to avoid potentially dangerous situations.
Oh, I used to have a hiking stick with an 8" aluminum spike on the end (it was great for climbing loose, steep hills, and for finding buried bottles & other artifacts). I had to saw the spike down to 4" because too many people thought that I intended it as a weapon.
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Drie
 
Rat-Hole Chic
Location: Hudson Valley NY
Gender: Female
bringing it back.
| | | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 22 on 8/13/2004 12:46 AM >
| | | | Something that hasn't been mentioned yet: Know as much as you can about the location before you head out. Do your homework if possible. Granted, this isn't always an option, but if you have the time, it can save your skin. Some things to try:
Scout. Even if you have randomly just found a site on the side of the road, it doesn't hurt to hide out for a while and see what happens. You can sometimes find out if the place has security, nosey neighbors, or maybe squatters, just by a half hour of laying low.
Know the grounds. This is especially important for big compound-esque places like asylums and hotels. Try and spend some time learning where some possible exits are if you need to make a run for it.
Park safe. Don't put your car where it's obvious you are inside.
As far as exploring alone...Im not against it. I do it a lot, actually. Mostly if im having a bad day. I do follow these rules-
I always tell someone I trust where I am, and when I'll be home. I tell them what to do if they don't hear from me too.
I only explore alone if I know the site very well.
I don't explore the dangerous places, no mater how well I know them, alone. This means no unsafe floors or caving in roofs when going solo.
Hope this helps.
Drie - www.synestheticlight.com
"In the absence of the living, there still exists a life." |
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Lord Nat, The Ex-God of Chaos
Location: Maplewood, MN
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 23 on 8/13/2004 3:37 AM >
| | | | I like to keep a walking stick (AKA cut off wooden broom handle) with me when I UE.
It can be helpful when just going around and if need be I can fight with it.
Right now I live in the woods so I keep it with me most the time (Really just from being so used to haveing some thing in my hand (I feel naked with out some thing to fight with in my hand or on me)) but once I move to the city (Next week) I am going to have to work out some thing new...
Maybe back to work on the Blade Glove...
Forever hiding from the Evil SpellingMonkey Bot. |
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Tupsumato
 
Location: Finland
Gender: Male
How close can you go?
| | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 24 on 8/15/2004 4:37 PM >
| | | | I carry a Leatherman, but not for self defence. I wouldn't probably be even able to use it against another person. Maybe I'd just run.
Fortunately a self-defense device is quite a obsolete in Finland, if you avoid "certain places", (though even in such places the probability of getting in a situation where you would need to defend yourself with violence is close to zero). Carrying anything dangerous (a knife, a screwdriver, anything) (only) for self-defense is also illegal.
I explore alone sometimes. Sometimes I just want to be...alone, especially when I'm photographing.
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Decoy
Location: Leslieville
Gender: Male
Oh I have slipped the bonds of earth...
| | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 25 on 8/15/2004 8:58 PM >
| | | | What the hell, I'll be the first to go deep with the pep-talk route:
I believe that confidence is the best protection you can carry with you while exploring. Wait. Scratch that.
Awareness of your confidence is the most important protection you can take with you while exploring, or in any situation.
If you're feeling confident and in-control of a situation, you're more likely to come out of any dangerous situation (which UE is a constant string of) than someone that isn't. What I mean is that if you can sense your confidence waning, and you just don't feel strongly enough to go around that next corner or out over that wobly plank, then perhaps it's time to try a different approach...
History dictates that those who cannot sense their own confidence often meet with tragic ends. I'm speaking of people who, for whatever reason, fail to aknowledge their lack of confidence. Often this makes them appear bold, full of themselves, or just plain stupid. But I think that what we're dealing with is individuals whom have fallen out of touch with their confidence, their gut instinct to turn back, if you will.
Napolean and Custer are military examples of this scenario, bullfighters who get scewered are a "sporting" example. Poker players bluff and call and pull at the heart of this issue as well. How much confidence does their opponent have in themselves and their hand, and is it feigned? More applicible to this forum would be deepwater divers who's airtanks implode, freeclimbers who take the big fall, and cavers whos remains are found long after their last breath. But if we remain in contact with our confidence, we'll know when to pull out.
But there are other reasons to be aware of this contact. Namely, the fact that a person who is unsure of themselves is a loose cannon. People who are not confident of their actions for the majority of time during an Urban Exploration are more likely to flip out when a sticky spot presents itself. Would you want to be in a flash-flooding storm drain with someone who has no concept of their own confidence, or someone that has a healthy grasp of where their confidence is, and where it's supposed to be? If loosing contact with your "internal confidence meter" and subsiquently going too far is going one way, then freaking out and running headlong into disaster is the opposite. However, both are equally dangerous in my opinion.
An individual who is not confident enough to climb a ladder isn't a chicken, and the person that takes a chance and climbs it, isn't stupid. They simply have different calibrations on their "internal confidence meters". Infact, both of them, with any luck, are excercising good judgement of the situation and a healthy communication with their confidence. What I mean is that, though both people acted differently, they may have both acted correctly for themselves.
So make sure you take your confidence meter with you when you go UEing, it might just save your life.
And with that all said, I'll agree with the "take a friend" idea. Comparing your confidence in actions with your friends is a good way to stay in contact with your confidence. If you're taking every chance that presents itself, and he or she is staying behind too often, maybe you need to think about taking it a little easier.
So go into the darkness in constant contact with your confidence, and you're sure to return safely.
It's a drag, it's a bore, it's really such a pitty
To be lookin' at the board, not lookin' at the city. |
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 26 on 8/16/2004 12:58 AM >
| | | | What happened to the duct-tape-pipe-saw-shotgun guy? I wanted to ridicule him some more, but I guess he must have blown his hands off and can no longer type.
I've mentioned this before in one of the ten million previous threads on weapons and UE, but I've never had any problem with anyone while exploring and hardly ever carry more than a pocketknife. I keep meaning to learn some pressure-point tactics for mini-maglites someday, since I carry one at all times.
Now when I'm rural exploring, IE in Alaskan forests, I like to carry a gun for bear protection. It's accepted practice for hiking and backpacking around here (as is poking around old mines), so it's not suspicious or illegal. I've run into several bears while unarmed, and it was pretty frightening (especially when you don't see it, but you hear it grunting at you a few feet away in the bushes).
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 |
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j0lt
Location: Kobe, Japan
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 27 on 8/17/2004 10:25 PM >
|  | | | Posted by Paradox_87
Has anyone here ever taken personal safety measures when going urban exploring |
<excerpt from Wraiths Mission logs>
While wandering the property, Jolt finds a freaky looking rusty pick/rake like tool, oddly placed in a tree (and his horror movie mind goes to work...)
<eof>
I hid the rake before we went in. 
j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! |
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the devil made me do it
Location: east coast
Gender: Male
"if my answers frighten you, vincent, perhaps you should cease asking scary questions."
| | weapon selection and presence???
<Reply # 28 on 8/21/2004 6:38 PM >
| | | | does anyone here take weapons with them while exploring? by weapon, i mean anything that could be used offensively...but is intended for defense. like clubs, knives, firearms (both long and small). it seems that the masses tend to gravitate toward abandons locales...which gives us the opportunity to enjoy chance encounters with the local riff-raff. in the spirit of ALWAYS PREPARED, it seems obvious that first and foremost we should avoid conflict, but be prepared when conflict finds us. agree, disagree?
I didn't make the world you live in, I make the world you live in...SCARIER. |
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the devil made me do it
Location: east coast
Gender: Male
"if my answers frighten you, vincent, perhaps you should cease asking scary questions."
| | Re: weapon selection and presence???
<Reply # 30 on 8/21/2004 6:44 PM >
| | | | i appreciate that information...again, i'm learning its a personal thing.
I didn't make the world you live in, I make the world you live in...SCARIER. |
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Shard
Location: WA
Gender: Male
Baron Deathchemical
| | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 31 on 9/17/2004 10:11 AM >
| | | | In my opinion, having the proper mind set is more important than carrying any weapon. I’ll admit to being a bit on the paranoid and twitchy side, but as I enter a room I immediately begin spotting possible escape routes, items of furniture which could be used as bludgeoning devices, and the like. Similarly, when I see a person I immediately think about how they could be taken down, should they prove to be of a hostile disposition.
That said, I also rarely go anywhere without some sort of weapon. I wouldn’t want to use a knife to actually defend myself (too messy, both physically and legally); my personal favorite is something along the lines of the koppo. Koppo, yawara, tekko, kubotan, Chinese dildo, suntetsu, or 2AA MiniMag, it’s pretty much just different names for the same thing. I have a six and a quarter inch piece of rebar on my keychain.
[last edit 9/17/2004 10:12 AM by Shard - edited 1 times]
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Corvid
Location: Oxford, UK
Gender: Male
Master of Illusion!!
| | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 32 on 10/7/2004 9:46 AM >
| | | | A cheap, safe ways of haveing the ilusion of power in the eyes of someone else, is a blank firing replica. No trouble if you caught, but it can be pointed and fired like the real thing.
[last edit 10/7/2004 9:47 AM by Corvid - edited 1 times]
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 33 on 10/7/2004 3:59 PM >
| | | | Many people in the US have died, and saved there life with that. Its like saying I have a gun to a punk trying to rob you, sometimes it works. Not a bad idea, just realize you dont have a real one
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Giblet
Location: Atlanta
Gender: Male
| | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 34 on 10/7/2004 5:10 PM >
| | | | Just wear a red-plaid hunting cap (with ear-flaps), tie a dead pigeon to your belt, and carry a loaded Mossberg pump-action shotgun.
Crack-heads won't mess with a nut-case with a shotgun. The police will only ask you what you intend to do with the pigeon -- just grin and lick your lips a lot. Or, ask "What pigeon?!" and when the officer points to your belt, start screaming in a high voice while dancing/squirming "GET IT OFF ME! GET IT OFF!".
Nobody will accost you, but I want to see pictures. I promise I won't laugh.
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1993gt40
Location: Austin, Texas.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 35 on 10/7/2004 6:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by Corvid
A cheap, safe ways of haveing the ilusion of power in the eyes of someone else, is a blank firing replica. No trouble if you caught, but it can be pointed and fired like the real thing.
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Not true, anything that can be intrepreted as a weapon IS a weapon. ESPECIALLY if you point it at someone, even more so if you fire it.
Freelance OPEC taste tester. |
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 36 on 10/7/2004 7:47 PM >
| | | | http://www.wftv.co...786870/detail.html
As if there weren't enough crappy saturday night specials out there, now we have the shotgun credit card! Slightly annoy your attackers with a burst of pellets!
I don't think the authors know what they're talking about in regards to gun laws:
" The new guns don't count as firearms under federal regulations because they're muzzleloaders, Koscielski and Teel said. It's illegal to carry one without a permit for a concealed handgun, they said, and they both pledged not to sell them to anyone without valid identification and either a carry permit or a purchase permit."
So muzzelloaders aren't real guns, but you still need a concealed carry permit? Damnit I wanted to take my pirate pistol UEing 
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 |
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Shard
Location: WA
Gender: Male
Baron Deathchemical
| | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 37 on 10/8/2004 1:52 AM >
| | | | You’d probably get more stopping power out of that card-gun if you threw it at somebody instead of firing it.
textfiles.com |
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The Hitman's Daughter
Account Closed
Location: ottawa, canada
Gender: Female
hot pavement.
| | | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 38 on 10/8/2004 4:25 AM >
| | | | i cary a knife or two on me every day, so yes i have them with me when i explore. it's a great thing, being a girl. you could have an entire arsenal in your purse and no one would suspect it. I used to have to walk home alone several blocks through the city every night after work, which was about 3:30am, so i got in the habit of carrying knives. I want pepper spray, i just haven't gotten around to getting any. It's illegal in canada unless it's specified as animal pepper spray.
[last edit 10/8/2004 4:25 AM by The Hitman's Daughter - edited 1 times]
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From now on and until the end of time, "Hip To Be Square" will conjure images of bloody bodies being hacked apart with axes.
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Spooky
Location: Jersey C.I.
Gender: Male
And your problem is what exactly ?
| | Re: Protection when UE
<Reply # 39 on 10/8/2004 10:57 AM >
| | | | Posted by Roland
There have been a few occaisons when I've brought a sword with me, as sort of a confidence booster. When you have a sword in your hand you feel like no one can mess with you, whether you know how to use it or not.(and for the record I take fencing classes so I do know how to use it.) |
I thought for a minute the drugs trolley had missed me out this morning !
Anyone know where I can purchase a cutlass ?
It might look like I’m doing nothing – but at the cellular level I’m really quite busy ! |
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