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 archiphoto
Location: North Carolina
Gender: Male
 |  |  | Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
< on 10/16/2013 8:14 PM >
|  | | | Weird afternoon. I received a phone call from one of the partners of the management company who purchased the Ashley-Huber breaker and feel compelled to pass on this information.
First, and most importantly, it's coming down before the end of the year. Go now and go often.
Second, they are looking at purchasing the St. Nicholas coal breaker. You can get bet your ass off if they buy that building, they'll tear that one too. Go now and go often.
[last edit 10/16/2013 8:43 PM by archiphoto - edited 1 times]
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CatAndTie
 
Location: Southeastern PA
Gender: Male
LifeInDecay. com
| | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 1 on 10/16/2013 9:34 PM >
| | | | What's your connection with that company?
Also, definitely keep us updated in the progress... I'd love to at least get up there and record some of the demo if/when it's happening.
[last edit 10/16/2013 9:35 PM by CatAndTie - edited 1 times]
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archiphoto
Location: North Carolina
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 2 on 10/16/2013 10:48 PM >
| | | | Until today, I had no connection to the company. They discovered my contact info and called me this afternoon. I then followed with some due diligence to verify who I was speaking with. Their intent is to demolish these buildings for scrap. I'm likely going to fly up there within the next 30 days.
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Soldat
      
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Gender: Male
The Mayor of Noobtown
| |  | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 3 on 10/17/2013 3:17 AM >
| | | | Not looking great for St Nicks as it is
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archiphoto
Location: North Carolina
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 4 on 10/17/2013 10:59 PM >
| | | | That's tragic, is it already being prepped for scraps?
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PAexplorations
Location: Pennsylvania
Gender: Female
Medication Time...
| | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 5 on 10/18/2013 12:58 AM >
| | | | Lol.......
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Soldat
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Gender: Male
The Mayor of Noobtown
| | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 6 on 10/18/2013 10:26 AM >
| | | | Posted by archiphoto
That's tragic, is it already being prepped for scraps?
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Well I can guarantee they sure aren't not already tearing down the smaller portion of it near the road.
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ahhntzville
Location: Boston
| | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 7 on 10/18/2013 12:41 PM >
| | | | Having never been to St. Nick's, I'm just curious... is that siding transite (asbestos)? I would think they would have to remove and dispose of that before getting on with the scrapping.
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xtacyturbo
Location: Pittsburgh
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 8 on 10/26/2013 11:52 AM >
| | | | Posted by arntzville
is that siding transite (asbestos)?
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Yep. It is.
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randomesquephoto
Don't be a Maxx
| | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 9 on 10/30/2013 12:39 AM >
| | | | Nicks is owned by reading anthracite. If they want it for scrap im sure they won't sell it. I don't think you have to worry about that one.
they tore down some insignificant sections. That's all.
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EsseXploreR
Location: New Jersey
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 10 on 10/30/2013 10:10 AM >
| | | | Posted by arntzville
Having never been to St. Nick's, I'm just curious... is that siding transite (asbestos)? I would think they would have to remove and dispose of that before getting on with the scrapping.
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Eh, I used to play with the asbestos siding on my garage as a kid. There really isn't a whole lot of dust when they break, even when they completely shatter.
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ahhntzville
Location: Boston
| | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 11 on 10/30/2013 12:45 PM >
| | | | Oh I know, you'd have to put it through a woodchipper to get airborne fibers. I was just saying that it would slow down the process if they went about things legally. Since that always happens *coughbyberrycough* *coughnorwichcough*...
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macgruder
Location: Northern NJ
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 12 on 11/4/2013 4:06 PM >
| | | | Both places don't have much longer , I'm afraid. Get to them now if you haven't seen them. Otherwise it may be too late.
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mikeandike
| | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 13 on 11/6/2013 7:35 PM >
| | | | What happened to that massive push to preserve Ashley-Huber? Such a fucking shame I was hoping to make it there this month.
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archiphoto
Location: North Carolina
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 14 on 11/7/2013 6:09 PM >
| | | | Economically speaking, preserving these buildings is a money drain. If you're familiar with the Lonaconing Silk Mill in Maryland the owner who has bought it and welcoming photographer for years has been losing money like a sieve fighting an uphill battle out of pure love.
Before I became a photographer, I practiced architecture for a living and I worked on a few historically preserved buildings and modified/added to a few others. I feel and empathize with those who are so vehement about preserving history. However if someone really wants to preserve these buildings they a) have to put ALL the money up front. Fund-raising NEVER gets to their desired benchmarks. In order to make it economically viable and less of a liability, they'll have to make it safe for people to visit, which means a) mitigating the property of lead/asbestos/chemicals, b) hire a structural engineer to stabilize the building and c) hire an architect to make it open to visitors.
Often when buildings like this are preserved it's when the land is purchased by a government entity - and we all know in today's political climate and economic recession that's not going to happen. It's just too much to ask for most private individuals to throw money at. However, there is money to be made in the scraps of these buildings. It's the unfortunate reality, but I see no real way to avoid such things.
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fiftyone_eggs
Location: jerzey
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 15 on 11/7/2013 7:27 PM >
| | | | Posted by archiphoto
Economically speaking, preserving these buildings is a money drain... |
I totally agree with you about these buildings in particular archiphoto. They are enormous, dilapidated, loaded with lead and asbestos, and not very attractive or reuseable from an architectural perspective.
But on this forum and otherwise I've seen a good deal of successful restoration jobs. Yet most often I see instances where rehabilitation should and could have been employed but wasn't. I'm not convinced that the decision not to rehab is driven by pure economics as I've read several studies stating that restoration is a better economic alternative. Personally, I've bought and restored a couple very old and very dilapidated houses and I can say for certain that the cost of gutting and restoring them is a fraction of knocking them down and building new.
But in the case of these two: Yeah. Restoration is a pipe dream.
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Soldat
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Gender: Male
The Mayor of Noobtown
| | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 16 on 11/7/2013 9:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by fiftyone_eggs
I totally agree with you about these buildings in particular archiphoto. They are enormous, dilapidated, loaded with lead and asbestos, and not very attractive or reuseable from an architectural perspective.
But on this forum and otherwise I've seen a good deal of successful restoration jobs. Yet most often I see instances where rehabilitation should and could have been employed but wasn't. I'm not convinced that the decision not to rehab is driven by pure economics as I've read several studies stating that restoration is a better economic alternative. Personally, I've bought and restored a couple very old and very dilapidated houses and I can say for certain that the cost of gutting and restoring them is a fraction of knocking them down and building new.
But in the case of these two: Yeah. Restoration is a pipe dream.
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Just keep the damn things as a monument-ruin dedicated to all of the miners of the PA anthracite region.
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fiftyone_eggs
Location: jerzey
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 17 on 11/7/2013 10:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by Soldat
Just keep the damn things as a monument-ruin dedicated to all of the miners of the PA anthracite region.
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Fukn A.
As you probably know, there's a fairly shitty memorial at the Huber to honor the 30,000+ anthracite miners who died so the lights can stay on. I think the Huber itself is much more majestic. It's not like anybody would go to Ashley just to see that pissant miner memorial.
But in the end a couple Gs worth of scrap metal wins over remembering history.
[last edit 11/7/2013 10:10 PM by fiftyone_eggs - edited 1 times]
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archiphoto
Location: North Carolina
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 18 on 11/7/2013 11:06 PM >
| | | | I LOVE it when they're preserved. You're right, even when they're economically viable often public perception is the exact opposite, very frustrating to deal with. I don't know if you've had to deal with city/town commissions when restoring your houses, but it's a very mob mentality.
Posted by fiftyone_eggs
I totally agree with you about these buildings in particular archiphoto. They are enormous, dilapidated, loaded with lead and asbestos, and not very attractive or reuseable from an architectural perspective.
But on this forum and otherwise I've seen a good deal of successful restoration jobs. Yet most often I see instances where rehabilitation should and could have been employed but wasn't. I'm not convinced that the decision not to rehab is driven by pure economics as I've read several studies stating that restoration is a better economic alternative. Personally, I've bought and restored a couple very old and very dilapidated houses and I can say for certain that the cost of gutting and restoring them is a fraction of knocking them down and building new.
But in the case of these two: Yeah. Restoration is a pipe dream.
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Porcelain Doll
Location: philadelphia
Gender: Female
Who Cooks For You?
| | | Re: Huber's going, St. Nick could be next
<Reply # 19 on 11/9/2013 4:52 AM >
| | | | Posted by randomesquephoto
Nicks is owned by reading anthracite. If they want it for scrap im sure they won't sell it. I don't think you have to worry about that one.
they tore down some insignificant sections. That's all.
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I'm getting sick of correcting everyone about St Nick's, lol they are just removing a part and not the whole structure.
Here's the pictures of the Ashley Monument:
http://www.timesle...ate=art_smartphone
it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring.
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