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 StarFruitAttack
 
Location: Burlington, VT
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< on 1/16/2013 5:28 PM >
|  | | | This is really a simple question, but first I'm going to put a little bit substance to it. Also, I apologize if this isn't where this question is supposed to go. I've skimmed over the threads and haven't really found anything that answers this, though, so I'm taking the chance to ask. Also, before it's mentioned: yes I did see the whole sub forum to post your videos, that's not really what this question is about. ANYWAYS.
SO, my friends are going to start exploring together in a few weeks ( we all have explored before, this is just a new group with all of us doing it together blah blah more words ), and we want to document it. Since I do freelance writing and what not I'm going to do the typey-typey documentation of our explorations, BUT we also wanted to do a little... video capturing. As in, doing our own little - for lack of a better term - 'episodes' of each time we explore. Capturing how we prepare, our process, and the fun we have while doing it. Now... I know the thing where it's smart to NEVER give the address or even fully state where exactly you're going or are, so that bit is covered. We wouldn't show /how/ we got there either. So, with this little bit of substance, now to get down to the simple question:
Is it smart to video document, do you have tips or tricks to not get trouble with it, do you have tips or tricks on good video documentation in general?
As I know this may or may not be a ridiculous question, and the fact that I'm new, I am prepared for all berating comments, bahahaha.
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AnAppleSnail
   
Location: Charlotte, NC
Gender: Male
ALL the flashlights!
| | |  | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 1 on 1/16/2013 5:42 PM >
| | | | Video evidence of criminal trespass might not make your day. Mostly you'd want to avoid high profile places, identifying shots of people, and video of entering a place. Depending on your rig, the camera might help or hurt you. If you and five guys in jeans and hoodies get rounded up with six flashlights and a GoPro between you, with footage of b&e, you might have a bad week. If you and your buddies are dressed like college art students with swooping shots on your semi pro video rig, you might play the art card okay.
Edit: you usually have to be caught on site for trespass. But on suspicion of other crimes and for civil suits, reasonable evidence is enough to drag you through the legal process. Some members here have been threatened and (rarely) wrung out over photos.
[last edit 1/16/2013 5:46 PM by AnAppleSnail - edited 1 times]
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StarFruitAttack
Location: Burlington, VT
| | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 3 on 1/16/2013 5:54 PM >
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As I said in my OP, I saw the video section, I was asking a specific question, however, and decided to post it here in order to get the answer I was looking for.
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randomesquephoto
Don't be a Maxx
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<Reply # 4 on 1/16/2013 5:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by StarFruitAttack
As I said in my OP, I saw the video section, I was asking a specific question, however, and decided to post it here in order to get the answer I was looking for.
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Ah... I just figured you may have got a good answer in the section of the forum where people do what you want to do...
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StarFruitAttack
Location: Burlington, VT
| | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 5 on 1/16/2013 5:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by AnAppleSnail
Video evidence of criminal trespass might not make your day. Mostly you'd want to avoid high profile places, identifying shots of people, and video of entering a place. Depending on your rig, the camera might help or hurt you. If you and five guys in jeans and hoodies get rounded up with six flashlights and a GoPro between you, with footage of b&e, you might have a bad week. If you and your buddies are dressed like college art students with swooping shots on your semi pro video rig, you might play the art card okay.
Edit: you usually have to be caught on site for trespass. But on suspicion of other crimes and for civil suits, reasonable evidence is enough to drag you through the legal process. Some members here have been threatened and (rarely) wrung out over photos.
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Thanks for the prompt response! Yeah, I figured that keeping ourselves out of the shots would be a good idea, and all of us are pretty artsy in the first place so we were hoping to play the art card if we ever did get caught. It wasn't really gonna be high profile video anyways, more just little bits and pieces to show what we do and the fun we have. YouTube, obviously, wasn't going to be our posting site as we are currently putting together a place to post my writings and the video should we get the video bit together safely and without criminal threat.
Thanks again for the response, dude! I would carry on this post and ask for more clarification but I gotta get to work so if anything I'll pop back on here later or sommat~
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StarFruitAttack
Location: Burlington, VT
| | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 6 on 1/16/2013 5:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by randomesquephoto
Ah... I just figured you may have got a good answer in the section of the forum where people do what you want to do...
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Heh, good point. I just figured I'd try here first. I'll end up popping over there at some point, though. :3
Didn't mean to come off as snippy if I did, by the way, haha.
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Chris-Kicker
Location: New York, NY
Gender: Male
no, I did not Kick Chris.
| | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 7 on 1/16/2013 6:00 PM >
| | | | Posted by AnAppleSnail
......you usually have to be caught on site for trespass. But on suspicion of other crimes and for civil suits, reasonable evidence is enough to drag you through the legal process....
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this has happened to a friend of mine at a well known location.
he had posted the name of the place in the video and a week later an "official" showed up AT HIS HOUSE over an hour away to threaten him over it.. he basically had to choice to remove the video or they were threatening legal action..
http://ChurchofAtom.com/
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AnAppleSnail
Location: Charlotte, NC
Gender: Male
ALL the flashlights!
| | | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 8 on 1/16/2013 6:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by Chris-Kicker
this has happened to a friend of mine at a well known location.
he had posted the name of the place in the video and a week later an "official" showed up AT HIS HOUSE over an hour away to threaten him over it.. he basically had to choice to remove the video or they were threatening legal action..
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Eh, we had one dumbass post a location name with photos and (allegedly) have to strike a deal with certain authorities to pretend it never happened. Ever. As for video, well, some basejumpers have gotten in hot water over it.
Even without posting names, some places are just so recognized that they get named anyway. One UER member climbed some rollercoasters and posted the photos on his flickr. Fans of that rollercoaster park saw them, said 'OMG this is the new rollercoaster being built!" and security stepped up. Then when myself and some others unknowingly went to climb that weekend...well, we saw more trucks that night that we'd seen on the way there.
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StarFruitAttack
Location: Burlington, VT
| | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 9 on 1/17/2013 2:53 AM >
| | | | Thanks so much for the info and warnings, guys. Really appreciate it. Next time my buddies and I get together I guess this will be a big topic. Don't wanna end up getting legal action taken against us and all that jazz. T'would suck that would!
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CatAndTie
Location: Southeastern PA
Gender: Male
LifeInDecay. com
| | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 10 on 1/17/2013 3:59 AM >
| | | | I think it all depends where you are, what you show, who the owners are (if they ever see it)... could be wrong place at the wrong time. Yes, if you are infiltrating a top secret base and post all over about it, you're more likely to get in trouble. If you change names, blur faces, cover your asses best you can, meh. They might have an uphill battle against you... but still a battle that you should be ready to encounter.
Are most people going to try and press charges if you trespassed on their property a year ago? Can they prove they owned it when you were there? Can they prove where the footage came from? 99.5% of the posters on this site have never had issues after the fact of trespassing I'd say, but of course there is that slight chance.
I'm working on a feature right now, so I'll let you know how it goes! Haha... it's a tough subject to pin down.
Try looking into other films that have done illegal things before... "Exit Through the Gift Shop" (potentially a mockumentary), the UE doc "Into the Darkness". As far as I've read (not too too much) I didn't see any issues that they faced.
I'd say do it, and then deal with it... if all you are showing is trespassing on Youtube... worst case would be getting a trespassing charge thrown at you if the case even made it to court and they could prove it was you and your friends?
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore." - Andre Gide |
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StarFruitAttack
Location: Burlington, VT
| | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 11 on 1/17/2013 4:15 AM >
| | | | Posted by CatAndTie
I think it all depends where you are, what you show, who the owners are (if they ever see it)... could be wrong place at the wrong time. Yes, if you are infiltrating a top secret base and post all over about it, you're more likely to get in trouble. If you change names, blur faces, cover your asses best you can, meh. They might have an uphill battle against you... but still a battle that you should be ready to encounter.
Are most people going to try and press charges if you trespassed on their property a year ago? Can they prove they owned it when you were there? Can they prove where the footage came from? 99.5% of the posters on this site have never had issues after the fact of trespassing I'd say, but of course there is that slight chance.
I'm working on a feature right now, so I'll let you know how it goes! Haha... it's a tough subject to pin down.
Try looking into other films that have done illegal things before... "Exit Through the Gift Shop" (potentially a mockumentary), the UE doc "Into the Darkness". As far as I've read (not too too much) I didn't see any issues that they faced.
I'd say do it, and then deal with it... if all you are showing is trespassing on Youtube... worst case would be getting a trespassing charge thrown at you if the case even made it to court and they could prove it was you and your friends?
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So I love this response. It wasn't berating, it had both sides. Thanks, seriously!
I feel this is the conclusion my buddies and I would have come to anyways. Your response makes me feel a little more comfortable about it should we come to the decision to continue pursuing what we wanna do with our documenting our explores.
I'll still be looking up anything else I can to get a good feel on how to go about it. We do have someone who can do the dirty work of blurring what needs to be blurred and blanking what needs to be blanked so that's really no worry.
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Chris-Kicker
Location: New York, NY
Gender: Male
no, I did not Kick Chris.
| | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 12 on 1/17/2013 4:28 AM >
| | | | by all means keep filming. Just be smart about it. same goes for photography...
I film when I explore sometimes. I was just pointing out there is a risk, but everything is risky. videos are cool.
http://ChurchofAtom.com/
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StarFruitAttack
Location: Burlington, VT
| | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 13 on 1/17/2013 4:47 AM >
| | | | Posted by Chris-Kicker
by all means keep filming. Just be smart about it. same goes for photography...
I film when I explore sometimes. I was just pointing out there is a risk, but everything is risky. videos are cool.
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I love risk, I love taking risk, I live risk.
I just like knowing a little more about the risks I'll be taking~
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Chris-Kicker
Location: New York, NY
Gender: Male
no, I did not Kick Chris.
| | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 14 on 1/17/2013 4:58 AM >
| | | | Posted by StarFruitAttack
I love risk, I love taking risk, I live risk.
I just like knowing a little more about the risks I'll be taking~
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thats what were here for.. lol..
http://ChurchofAtom.com/
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Eschaton
Location: Western NC
Gender: Male
Entry: Eschaton (es-kuh-tawn) noun | end of time, climax of history | Etymology: Greek for 'last'
| | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 15 on 1/17/2013 4:59 PM >
| | | | You might want to consider keeping your material private until the statute of limitations has passed before spreading it around. Usually that's 18 months from the (provable) date of origin for the evidence, but it varies in each state.
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StarFruitAttack
Location: Burlington, VT
| | | Re: Video Documentation?
<Reply # 16 on 1/17/2013 5:27 PM >
| | | | Posted by Eschaton
You might want to consider keeping your material private until the statute of limitations has passed before spreading it around. Usually that's 18 months from the (provable) date of origin for the evidence, but it varies in each state.
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I'll be sure to look that up for Vermont. Thanks for the info!
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