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Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
< on 6/16/2004 12:53 AM >
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I have been UEing for quite a while now, and recently I have encountered a few areas with asbetos. Over all, Ive spent about 10 hours in a building, over the span of a few months, which contains asbestos. It is not everywhere, but there are some areas where it is present, occasionally in large concentrations. I know all about the health effects of asbestos, and have decided that it is now time to invest in a respirator. I have a few questions about asbestos though that comes into play after I am DONE UEing.

1. After exiting the building, while still wearing the clothing that I wore in the building, is it safe to remove my mask? Or should I wait until I have removed all clothing that I wore in the building?

2. Should I bring a change of clothes to change into after UEing, or is it safe to wear my clothes home without a mask until I can take them off? I will do whatever it takes to be safe, but the idea of stripping down naked in the woods/a parking lot/etc doesnt sound too appealing.

3. When washing the clothes that came in touch with asbestos, should I take any special precautions? I already wash them serperately from all my other clothes, but is there anything else I should do? I also wash my backpack too... but not my shoes. I leave those outside my house though.

I think thats about it. I have searched through the forum, but havent found any answers to these specific questions. Most of them have to do with asbestos inside buildings, not on your clothes. Thanks for any help.



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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 1 on 6/16/2004 1:55 AM >
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It's usually a good idea to take a shower and wash your clothes. With only a few hours exposure here and there the risk is really minimal. It's the fibres floating in the air that you inhale that are dangerous. The snot in your nose is probably your biggest worry blow it out, wash out the ol blow hole.

Unless you were rolling around in it or your clothes are covered in it you shouldn't have to worry about keeping a respirator on until you're naked, though it could be a sexy picture...

You shouldn't have to take any special precautions washing your clothes, unless asbestos is in the air where you can inhale it is a fairly safe substance.

Guys that remove it for a living wear bunny suits and respirators all the time because they are going in with shovels and rakes and such and moving it around pushing up a lot of dust so there's a chance they can get a lot of it on them thus the disposable clothes, but really, unless you're covered in it and actually stirring up dust off your clothing it's nothing to worry about.

Dust is the kiler - and really there has to be a lot of it to be REALLY dangerous - watch the dust - don't breathe it in.

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 2 on 6/16/2004 1:58 AM >
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I should note that there are plenty of other nasty substances that could warrent washing your clothes serperatly and keeping a respirator on while getting naked, but not asbestos.

It's never a bad idea to take precautions, they just aren't necessary because of the evil spectre of ASBESTOS!

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 3 on 6/16/2004 5:13 AM >
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Damn Chainsaw, your the asbestos-master! I came across a problem like this when exploring Sunset Beach in Golden, Colorado. Asbestos sealed in the floor had been ripped up, and it was a mess. I went in there without a respirator, I didn't wash my clothes, or anything. But I did spend about an hour or so in there, so I guess the risk is minimal. I think long-term exposure to asbestos is the killer, nothing really short-term.

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 4 on 6/16/2004 7:16 AM >
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i always wondered about what to do with electronics like a camera, bit hard to wash a camera.

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 5 on 6/16/2004 7:46 AM >
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One of my friends has a lot of knowledge about asbestos, and this is what he has told me: Wear an asbestos-rated respirator if there is suspicion of asbestos. There are different types of asbestos, some more harmful than others. Asbestos is fine if it remains undisturbed, but when it is disturbed by, say, breaking apart or stepping on asbestos pipe insulation, tiny asbestos particles are released that can stay suspended for weeks or longer. A good precaution is to bring a change of clothes, put your dirty clothes in a plastic bag, and change before you get into your car or house. Wash them with hot water, then washing a second time. Take a shower as soon as possible. Use a wet rag or paper towel to wipe down your shoes and mask and throw the rag/towel away. As for you camera you should only take it out when you are taking a picture, and it wouldn't hurt to wipe it down too when you are done.

Here are a couple times I have stumbled upon locations where asbestos was being removed:
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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 6 on 6/16/2004 7:25 PM >
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Yeah, in Lawrence Attic in Toronto theres a big ol' bag of the stuff sitting inside a building that's inside the attic. It's sealed up though, so theres no danger.

I'm not an authority, but from what I understand, having a respirator is a good idea even if you're only going to be exposed for a short time. 'cuz, you might be exposed for a short time, but over the years of exploring those short times build up; You're going into a plant for a couple hours every week, or multiple sites with different levels of contamination, the short term winds up building up into a long term. Either way, I don't scuttle around in places with asbestos unless I absolutely have to, and even then I don't like it.

Hopefully I'll pick up a respirator later this month. Hrm.

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 7 on 6/16/2004 10:18 PM >
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On my latest UE, my entrance into the building brought me into an asbestos storage room, FULL of asbestos on the floor, and piled up against one wall. The room wasnt dusty though, as it hadnt been stirred up in months (maybe years), but I exited the room quickly in a few seconds. I really need to get a respirator though...

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 8 on 6/17/2004 6:09 PM >
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Posted by Corallis
The room wasnt dusty though, as it hadnt been stirred up in months (maybe years)


if i understand it correctly, since asbestos particles are so small, they can stay airborne virtually forever.

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 9 on 6/17/2004 6:23 PM >
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the schoolboard i work for is tearing down a 1950s school the asbestos abatement contractor told me that one of those pump tank bug sprayers to hose your clothes down before stripping is a good idea

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 10 on 6/17/2004 11:13 PM >
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There is no need for paranoia. Just wash the cloths and take a shower. Well you should take a shower after UE trips anyways.) Asbestos kills you really slow. You need to be exposed to it everyday for about 5+ years.

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 11 on 6/18/2004 2:16 AM >
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I work in a big plant and as part of the maintenance team I had to make a survey of the dommaged asbestos insulation in the plant. There was so much damage to the insulations that it would have take days to take pictures and numbered classified each work to do. From simple tear to fully ripped off asbestos tiles on pipe by a fork lift (maybe Klaus Farher Stapler) and people walking on the falling pieces on the ground. Working in an plant with damaged asbestos insulation is probably as dangerous as UEing, Unles you come in front of open garbages bags full of asbestos (like I did at Dow)

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there won't be anykind of problem exploring a building with asbestos inside, unless of course if it is exposed and disturbed by you walking on or simply by some wind.

There is asbestos in alot of pre 1970 building, your school probably has some containing asbestos cafeteria tiles (those green tiles that never wear out), just like the plaster in the rest room, or that fluffy thing in the attic... we are exposed everyday, but beware of the during exploration!

there is many other contaminant that could be found during UEing, like PCB, fuel, solvent,metal powder, acid powder, caustic, lead paint flakes, yes that peeling paint on the wall of the old building, when you stepping on you create a lead contaminated dust... another good reason to wear p-100 cartridge mask.
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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 12 on 6/18/2004 2:29 AM >
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Well...I'm new on the board, but knowing some more about asbestos and the effects, I'll attempt to explain:

1. CANCEROGENITY - asbestos is clearly identified as the cause of pleura and peritoneal mesoteliomes(malign tumors). However, there is more to it, like

2. LONG LATENCY TIME. Most asbestos-relatet cancer diseases develop after a latency time of 15-20 years (or up to 30 years). But also, there is

3. NO DOSE-DEPENDANT EFFECT. Asbestos-related cancer is purely a stochastic occurence. This means, only THE POSSIBILITY of developing an asbestos-related-tumor rises with the time and intensity of the exposition. So, even if you have inhaled asbestos for years, you might stay healthy, while somebody who has inhaled asbestos only one or two times might suffer to it the worst way. It is also possible that the whole thing happens the other way. And some another thing which should be taken very carefully into account is that

4. EVEN SMALL DOSES DO HARM(WITHOUT DEVELOPING A CANCER). While only the possibility of developing cancer rises with the time and intensity of exposition, even single dosis of asbestos might do you harm. Truthfully, it might be no major harm. But it might imair you. Asbestos particles are too small, sharp-edged and resistant to the body's own cells who try to scavenge and destroy it. Also, it is toxic to these cells. So, asbestos particles slowly kill the cells whose job is to destroy them or just punch out into the free(thus killing the cells)...only to be scavenged by another cell. Over and over again. With time, the body develops a reaction, where collagene tissue is produced around to seal off such sites where asbestos particles are residing. Luckily, it works...the asbestos particles are more or less insulated, but they remain there. And this has some nasty effects:

a) while such asbestos granulome might be small, it costs you a part of your lung(which isn't possible oxidize blood anymore). And one rarely inhales just one or two or ten particles of asbestos. While several hundred particles might be not harm, repeating this(exploring more and more without respirator) costs you more of your lung. This disease has nothing to do with asbestos-related cancer, it is rather an asbestos-caused chronical inflammation(asbestosis)

b) the particles trapped in the asbestos granulomes remain there. The more they stay, the more they are, the greater the possibility that one day some cell exposed by asbestos becomes a cancer cell. And while it is rather unlikely if you have just a few(hundred) asbestos particles, it becomes more and more likely with increasing count.

So, what to do?
1) WEAR A MASK. ONE THAT IS ASBESTOS-RATED
2) IF YOU INHALED SOME ASBESTOS, COUGH FOR YOUR LIFE(and don't forget: GET IN CLEAR AIR). IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE TO COUGH, DO IT. DO NOT SUPRESS IT FOR SECRECY REASONS OR WHATSOEVER. Even hours after the expositions, if you feel like you have to, cough. This way, you're exhaling the most of the asbestos particles which have been caught in your airways.

3) If you suffered a massive inhalation, contact a doctor immediately. And by the way - at least here in Germany, doctors are obliged by law to keep their patient's secrets(even if the police interrogates them). They CAN give personal detail about the patient only if this is the only way to prevent you from commiting a capital crime(which trespassing and/or theft isn't). But they're NOT OBLIGED. And in most countries, the laws are similar when it comes to doctors and patient's privacy.

Excuse me if your country has other laws, I can only cite the german laws which are incredibly strict and protective to the patient.

3) DO NOT PANIC. All I posted is the truth and you can read it in almost any textbook of inner medicine or surgery. But, take it also on the clear side - almost any of us has inhaled some(or some more) asbestos over the years, even when not doing any exploration. But there's no reason for losing sleep over it.

And at last, one comment on the cynical side - asbestos-related cancer is mostly incurable and very rapid progredient. It kills in pain but it is a rather short journey. There are a lot of other cancer diseases which kill you slowly over years.

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 13 on 6/18/2004 9:46 PM >
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Thanks for the great summary, Tombow.

I've recently stumbled into a local university's underground steam network. They have asbestos danger ratings posted on doors: 1, 2, and 3(luckily, I haven't seen a level 3 yet). After a few minutes in a level 2 area, I could generally feel that the air wasn't very clean. I began spitting a lot, as I didn't really know what else to do, and that kind of put me at ease, and afterward there was a lot of forced spitting and coughing going on for my part. (I think I'm going to finally buy a respirator just for exploring this system.)

This was my second-most noticeable bad-air experience. The foremost was in an attic at McGill university. There were pipes that indicated asbestos, but generally things seemed intact. Though it was very dusty, and afterward my throat and tongue burned. Again, more spitting and lots of forced coughing. I don't know if that was asbestos though, maybe it was just plain dust.

A couple questions...

Does spitting accomplish anything?

Can detergents get rid of asbestos particles? They're so small, I mean, the particles. Maybe they're stuck in our clothes forever, delivering us tiny doses of asbestos for the rest of the days we wear the clothes. Heh.



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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 14 on 6/19/2004 1:16 AM >
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Yes...spitting does a good thing to get a rid of the asbestos particles that are caught in the mucus in your mouth/throat.COUGHING ONLY does the job of transporting the contaminated mucus upwards to your throat from the lower airways. And when pretty much mucus is collected, you feel like having to cough and spit out. Forced coughing(in clean air) might help too to get a rid of as most asbestos-contaminated mucus as possible. Be sure also to not supress natural cough calls, they're the most helpful ones.

Asbestos particles are mostly hydrophobic and/or non-soluble in water by their nature, so they're a welcome prey for water-dissolved detergents. So, washing helps. Just be sure to give your clothing a LONG wash(DO NOT USE THE "economy" or "rapid" settings on your washing machine). Also, they're pretty thermal resistant, so basically it doesn't matter if you're doing a 40 or a 95 degree wash.

EDIT:
As for the "tiny doses of asbestos caught in the clothes". They might be not something to worry about big style. If they're caught, they're not that dangerous as long they stay caught. And since asbestos particles are heavy, there is mostly the possibility of them just falling off, not floating in the air. Also, the more you wear and wash your clothes, the less asbestos particles remain. Just don't worry.
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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 15 on 6/19/2004 3:23 AM >
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In mechanical room still in use, where the air is hot and have a very low % of humidity any rip in the insulation would let go small content of asbestos in the air four hours, even days because the particule will float in the dry air more easily than in humid air. Also the hot and dry air can be very irritant to the throath cause the upper respiratory system to dry up giving a non spitting dry cough.

I have alreadt asked to some plumbers at work about asbestos, those 50+ year old guys were saying: " na! we don't wear mask when we do a small portion of asbestos pipe repair. " I guess he just don't understand the problem.

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 16 on 6/19/2004 7:46 AM >
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personally i think its good sense to always at the very least have a dust mask that FITS any time you UE in abandoned spaces. Not really nessicary with draining, but otherwise you should really take several safety percautions.

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 17 on 6/19/2004 8:29 PM >
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personally i think its good sense to always at the very least have a dust mask that FITS any time you UE in abandoned spaces. Not really nessicary with draining, but otherwise you should really take several safety precautions.


Keep in mind that a dust mask can actually do more harm in some cases by promoting regular breathing when shallow breathing would be better. Asbestos is a prime example... they would get by the mask anyway. Same thing goes for any toxic fumes... you might not smell something as much through a mask but you'd still be inhaling it.

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 18 on 6/25/2004 5:15 AM >
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mmm thats the good stuff. I walked into a tunnel with the pipes in that kind of condition for a couple hours without knowing till i looked up at them. I think it's always a good idea to always bring a mask with you if you're going to enter a site that was built before the 80's.

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Re: Asbestos Safety AFTER UEing
<Reply # 19 on 6/25/2004 8:01 AM >
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Asbestos pipe insulation like that is usually perfectly fine if it remains un-disturbed. When you hit or break it, that is when it should become a concern.

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