Oh man, can I have a pop up book? That would rock.
You're talking about a very thin veil though. What was Cheney's job prior to becoming vice president again? I don't think it was plumber, though I do here he has a pipe snake. Again, distinction without difference.
Edit, just realized the difference. It's free condoms. that's what makes a state socialist.
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Posted by MrGreenJeans Our constitution says nothing about sexual rights, but clearly states there should be no state sponsored religion. These attacks on all other religions amount to a state sponsored secular religion where other religious beliefs that have been held for thousands of years are disregarded and forcibly replaced with government mandates and laws.
I don't follow you. Catholics aren't being forced to use contraception, nor are they being forced to not forbid it. All they're being mandated to do is provide it as part of their health care coverage for non-church employment, such as Catholic hospitals and universities. A lot of them probably already cover it indirectly, as part of a prescription drug benefit.
But I disagree about the Constitution. It does give the right to peaceably assemble.
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Posted by splumer It does give the right to peaceably assemble.
If you're referring to sexual rights, you're not doing it right.
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What does the right to peaceably assemble have to do with anything?
Anytime the government forces someone to do something they don't want to do it is tyranny. This is only one example of many. I care less about a womans desire to kill her children than I do with the government forcing people to do things that is not within the powers granted to it. If it's not using a rubber or getting an abortion it'll be a coat hanger or a flight of stairs, just dont force anyone else to be a part of it.
When a government forces citizens to do things they object to based on their rights according to our Constitution, using powers not granted it by the Constitution, then it becomes tyrannical. Wanna knock my teeth out tough guy? lol
oh really? You're a simpleton if you actually think this way.
He does have a point Sam. If you force me to work to pay for Jenny Sluts 3rd abortion then don't get all pissy when your money goes to something you don't care for.
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Thats an failing argument. If you don't like public schools you're free to homeschool your kids, or send them to private schools. The government isn't forcing you to utilize public schools, if they were that would be tyrannical. I won't waste my time on the other two "examples".
Posted by MrGreenJeans What does the right to peaceably assemble have to do with anything?
It was a joke. You know, "assembly?"
Anytime the government forces someone to do something they don't want to do it is tyranny.
By that logic, any law is tyranny, and only complete, total anarchy is freedom. Which, of course, is true, but it's also antithetical to human nature. But your point about Constitutional powers is well-taken. The problem, though, is that not every power the gov't has is in the Constitution. Enforcing the law is a constitutional (I hate typing that word out) power, but the details of the law are left off.
Thats an failing argument. If you don't like public schools you're free to homeschool your kids, or send them to private schools. The government isn't forcing you to utilize public schools, if they were that would be tyrannical. I won't waste my time on the other two "examples".
You're also free to put a gun to your head and blow your brains out, thus eliminating any worry about any of this, but is that really a choice? No, it isn't. For the vast majority of people in the US, public schools aren't a choice, and school is compulsory, as it should be.
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Posted by MrGreenJeans Thats an failing argument. If you don't like public schools you're free to homeschool your kids, or send them to private schools. The government isn't forcing you to utilize public schools, if they were that would be tyrannical. I won't waste my time on the other two "examples".
And I can't believe I'm wasting my time on you... yet again... but you said
Posted by MrGreenJeans When a government forces citizens to do things they object to based on their rights according to our Constitution, using powers not granted it by the Constitution, then it becomes tyrannical.
You are forced to pay for public schools, whether you use them or not. TYRANNY!
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At least we agree on something mutant, forcing people to pay for public schools they do not use, against their will, is tyrannical.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
I don't remember reading anything in the Constitution giving the government the right to force private individuals or companies to purchase insurance they have a moral objection to. Maybe it would be better left to "the people" to decide for themselves.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
If my religious beliefs are such that I cannot, in good conscience, support abortions then the government forcing me to do so is prohibiting my free exercise of religion in violation of the Constitution.
I don't remember reading anything in the Constitution giving the government the right to force private individuals or companies to purchase insurance they have a moral objection to. Maybe it would be better left to "the people" to decide for themselves.
Most people aren't smart enough to decide what clothes they want to wear. Face it, you live in a country full of unhealthy gluttons that are going to get sick. This country is also full of insurance companies who have taken advantage of a broken and corrupt system. The entire point of the legislation was to address these two problems. But every palooka from a trailer park starts howling about the Konstitooshun and how their freedom to be a fat unhealthy piece of shit is being infringed upon.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
If my religious beliefs are such that I cannot, in good conscience, support abortions then the government forcing me to do so is prohibiting my free exercise of religion in violation of the Constitution.
what about my beliefs that you can't stuff your fucking god up my ass? Freedom FROM religion as well as OF religion. In other words, KEEP YOUR IMAGINARY FRIEND OUT OF GOVERNMENT.
Most people aren't smart enough to decide what clothes they want to wear. Face it, you live in a country full of unhealthy gluttons that are going to get sick. This country is also full of insurance companies who have taken advantage of a broken and corrupt system. The entire point of the legislation was to address these two problems. But every palooka from a trailer park starts howling about the Konstitooshun and how their freedom to be a fat unhealthy piece of shit is being infringed upon.
Let me stop ya there Sam, that isn't our problem. If they want to get stupid and fat to the point they need cut out of the Fleetwood so be it. It isn't our job to take care of them, they are grown as people, they can take care of themselves or deal with the consequences.
Posted by Samurai what about my beliefs that you can't stuff your fucking god up my ass? Freedom FROM religion as well as OF religion. In other words, KEEP YOUR IMAGINARY FRIEND OUT OF GOVERNMENT.
Who is sticking God up your ass Sam, honestly. Is you seeing a cross on the side of the road sticking God up your ass? Is you seeing a billboard with a Godly message sticking it up your ass? The words freedom FROM religion do not exist because you cannot eliminate God from the world he (in my belief) created. Ya gonna have to put on your big boy pants and deal with the fact something you may not like will be in your government since many of those people believe in God, just as I have to put up with the fact people with ideas I don't like will be in government. Boo FUCKING hoo.
Posted by MrGreenJeans At least we agree on something mutant, forcing people to pay for public schools they do not use, against their will, is tyrannical.
And there it is. You just want to define things that you don't like as tyrannical. Logic and consistency are not terribly important in your world view. Of course, "forcing people to pay for public schools they do not use" actually is a part of the Constitution, and therefore not tyranny, from your recent assertions.
Posted by MrGreenJeans If my religious beliefs are such that I cannot, in good conscience, support abortions then the government forcing me to do so is prohibiting my free exercise of religion in violation of the Constitution.
Yes yes yes. Tyranny all over this bitch. In fact, by your jello-like definitions, there is nothing which is not tyranny, which is awesomely cool.
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Posted by MrGreenJeans Sure it's a choice splumer! ready, aim, fire.
At least we agree on something mutant, forcing people to pay for public schools they do not use, against their will, is tyrannical.
There's a street in my town called Mallo Place. It doesn't go anywhere, so I have never driven on it, and I've lived here, on and off, for 40 years. Is it tyranny that I should be forced to pay for maintenance on a street I will never use? No, because it's there should I choose or need to use it. Same with public schools, except that the whole community (defined very broadly) benefits from an educated population. Even for the kids selling you Taco Bell. Yeah, the register makes change, but they have to have at least a little math skills to know if the register says to give you $20 in change for a $10 bill, there's something wrong. Not to mention the fact that people who are educated get better jobs and are less likely to commit crimes, get pregnant before they're ready, smoke, or do other things that cost society money. So yeah, you might not use public schools, but you enjoy their benefits every single day, sweet cheeks.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
I don't remember reading anything in the Constitution giving the government the right to force private individuals or companies to purchase insurance they have a moral objection to. Maybe it would be better left to "the people" to decide for themselves.
You have a moral objection to insurance? Why, because it's too much like gambling? I oppose forcing people to buy insurace, too, but because it's a handout to insurance companies. My sister-in-law is a nurse at St. Vincent's Charity Hospital, a Catholic hospital in Cleveand. I asked her if birth conttrol pills were covered under her perscription drug plan. She said they were. So, technically, the Catholics are already covering birth control.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
If my religious beliefs are such that I cannot, in good conscience, support abortions then the government forcing me to do so is prohibiting my free exercise of religion in violation of the Constitution.
Though I don't share your views, I understand and respect them. However, if people didn't have to support anything the gov't did that they found morally objectionable, nothing would be supported! I don't like the military. Jeepdave doesn't like the National Endowment for the Arts, someone else might be a couch potato and not like the National Parks, and no one likes income tax. See where that would leave us?
And I'll repeat what I said before: no one's free exercise of religion is being prohibited. If you have a moral objection to porn, don't use it. But you shouldn't be allowed to determine what I whack off to.
Here's an idea: why not let the employees vote on whether they want birth control included in their health coverage?
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