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exactly... my first 'real' car was a 1980 Ford Pinto. No cupholders. No ABS. No traction control, no power brakes... just a carburated 2.3L OHC engine and an automatic transmission... you learn driving technique or you wreck the car.
i remember a study was done a couple of years ago about ABS... the cars don't stop as short as non-ABS cars and most people don't realize that ABS isn't to stop you shorter, but to allow you to maintain directional control in a low traction environment.
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Posted by Samurai
exactly... my first 'real' car was a 1980 Ford Pinto. No cupholders. No ABS. No traction control, no power brakes... just a carburated 2.3L OHC engine and an automatic transmission... you learn driving technique or you wreck the car.
i remember a study was done a couple of years ago about ABS... the cars don't stop as short as non-ABS cars and most people don't realize that ABS isn't to stop you shorter, but to allow you to maintain directional control in a low traction environment.
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The 1995 Dodge Caravan I had in NY had no ABS and regulary drove up to Pittsfield, MA via US-20 in blizzards.
And I knew that about directional control; I remember there was a GM ad for some Buick with ABS that they mentioned that.
Though the e-brake on my current car, If I need something other without ABS, I will use that.
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I've owned car with and without ABS, and it really seems to depend on the vehicle. It's got a wicked fast pulse rate in my VW, but my Durango was nothing short of pathetic. (It was pathetic in many ways)
I've never actually had a car with traction control, but I've driven thousands of them with it, and absolutely hate it. It's a babysitting option for people who don't know how to drive, and I find it really just ruins a vehicle. I got stuck pulling out of a steep parking lot in an '08 Impala last winter, and could not drive out with the traction control on. Turned it off, feathered the gas a bit, and I was out.
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My first car didn't have ABS and thats why I appreciate ABS. If you don't like it thats fine but it works better imo based on my experience with it. I never had the issue where I push the brakes, they lock and then the car seems to speed up in an ice storm with abs like i had with all my non abs cars!
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Posted by cereal83I never had the issue where I push the brakes, they lock and then the car seems to speed up in an ice storm with abs like i had with all my non abs cars!
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that's because youre supposed to stop pushing the pedal before the wheels lock up.
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Posted by steponmebbbboom
that's because youre supposed to stop pushing the pedal before the wheels lock up.
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driving on ice is a touchy proposition with or without ABS... it's a crap shoot because once a car goes, man it goes hard and fast and nine times out of ten, recovery is nothing short of a miracle.
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dude, i live in hamilton (toronto) ive already driven on glare ice three times this season...
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Posted by Samurai
driving on ice is a touchy proposition with or without ABS... it's a crap shoot because once a car goes, man it goes hard and fast and nine times out of ten, recovery is nothing short of a miracle.
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If you want to drive on ice, you need MaxxTraxxs 
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Posted by Nismo
winter tires are a last resort IMO
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Not to mention learning how to drive in the winter. (IMHO)
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Posted by Samurai
exactly... my first 'real' car was a 1980 Ford Pinto. No cupholders. No ABS. No traction control, no power brakes... just a carburated 2.3L OHC engine and an automatic transmission... you learn driving technique or you wreck the car.
i remember a study was done a couple of years ago about ABS... the cars don't stop as short as non-ABS cars and most people don't realize that ABS isn't to stop you shorter, but to allow you to maintain directional control in a low traction environment.
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My first car was a 1976 Nova. Light ass end and rear wheel drive. I learned pretty quickly how to get out of spins and more importantly how to avoid getting into them in the first place.
Great little car. I learned a lot of important driving skills with it.
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You want to learn about....Traction, adhesion, momentum, gravity, frostbite, and how hard it is to run backwards at 25MPH. Ride a motorcycle in the snow.
Then try finishing the last 5 miles of that ride with a broken left arm. on an unplowed road.
I learned me lots on that one...
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i likey two wheels + snow/ice 
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Posted by bandi
I've owned car with and without ABS, and it really seems to depend on the vehicle. It's got a wicked fast pulse rate in my VW, but my Durango was nothing short of pathetic. (It was pathetic in many ways)
I've never actually had a car with traction control, but I've driven thousands of them with it, and absolutely hate it. It's a babysitting option for people who don't know how to drive, and I find it really just ruins a vehicle. I got stuck pulling out of a steep parking lot in an '08 Impala last winter, and could not drive out with the traction control on. Turned it off, feathered the gas a bit, and I was out.
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my cavalier and sunfire both have it, at least the sunfire has a switch to turn off traction control, the cavalier you have to notch the e brake or put it in second
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Posted by jeepdave
Sam keep in mind that many times we are talking to a generation of drivers who have never driven without cup holders, much less ABS. Everyone should be issued a 83 Olds Cutless 4 door with a anemic 305 and 1/2 tread tires. Make em run it for a year in the winter in the north. Then they may have some basic driving skills.
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best post ever!
my 93 ranger had abs in back. its t/c was a worn out 2.3 sohc pos motor.
my new 08 has abs on all 4 paws and it did take some getting use to. but i like it now.
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Posted by Samurai
i likey two wheels + snow/ice
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Yeah it was a ball all the way till the runnin' backwards/broken arm thing.
Not such a big fan of two and snow now, Three wheelers, Quads, those are more snow capable with me on board....
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Posted by cdevon1200
best post ever!
my 93 ranger had abs in back. its t/c was a worn out 2.3 sohc pos motor.
my new 08 has abs on all 4 paws and it did take some getting use to. but i like it now.
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i triple agree, i learned to winter drive in my dads aerostar with bald tires. there is NO weight in an aerostar!
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Posted by bandi
'98-'06 (ish) GM full size trucks have an issue where rust scale builds up under the front wheel speed sensors, and creates a larger air gap... you'll try to come to a stop at low speeds (ie, pulling into a parking space), the pedal goes to the FLOOR, the ABS pump goes crazy, and you DON'T stop. It's pretty exciting.
The first time I had a truck do it to me was my first day at the GM dealership... just about put the fucking thing through a wall. Parking sprag worked very well in that truck
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Oh good.
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The next body style AFTER your truck, Jay... you're safe!
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Oh, good!!!
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