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 |  |  | What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
< on 3/19/2004 8:25 AM >
|  | | | While chasing up a hole pile of attempts at bandwidth theft this week I followed a link to these:
http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=b0f0293e4930fdcecb7dbaa4dc9d387c&threadid=43531&hig hlight=urban+exploration
http://www.12ozprophet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=b0f0293e4930fdcecb7dbaa4dc9d387c&threadid=10772&hig hlight=urban+exploration
It's interesting to read about what graffitists (I never call them artists if I can help it, bceause little of that is art) think of urban explorers. I know many of them trawl UE related web sites to find locations of places to trash. But it was interesting to see what they thought of our hobby and ourselves. I think I will be making a definte decision not to just give out locations of places much anymore because a lot of the sites I used to give out location information for just end up getting trashed by vandals and painters.
Admittedly there are some "artists" out there, who do nice work, who's material does enhance a place. But the vast majority of them seem to be taggers who just go around scrawling crap like a dog peeing on poles to mark it's territory.(and I've heard they make that distinction themselves, with associated arguments over the true art form and taggers)
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White Rabbit
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| | | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 1 on 3/19/2004 10:41 AM >
|  | | | I just wish they'd be a little more discriminating about what they tag. Personally, I could care less if they want to paint every sewer or drain they come across. I wouldn't do it, but it doesn't bother me one lick if they tag places like that. But it pisses me off if when I'm exploring some ruins or an abandoned site with some historical significance and I come across someone's name scrawled all over the wall, no matter how pretty it is.
--WR
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The Lost Flock
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baaah.
| |  |  | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 2 on 3/19/2004 10:41 AM >
| | | | I actually find their point of view very interesting. They seem to see the UE commnubity as a bunch of pompous asses, full of themselves and taking themselves far too seriously. And you know what? Sometimes they're right. Everyone should take a look at what these guys have to say, think about how we are perceived by other people. Maybe there's a reason they think we're dumbasses. Maybe we should all collectively relax.
Just grab a flashlight, go out and explore. It's really all you need 9 times out of 10.
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Raider
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Location: Whitby, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
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| | | | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 3 on 3/19/2004 4:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by The Lost Flock
I actually find their point of view very interesting. They seem to see the UE commnubity as a bunch of pompous asses, full of themselves and taking themselves far too seriously. And you know what? Sometimes they're right. Everyone should take a look at what these guys have to say, think about how we are perceived by other people. Maybe there's a reason they think we're dumbasses. Maybe we should all collectively relax.
Just grab a flashlight, go out and explore. It's really all you need 9 times out of 10.
-The Lost Flock
"From the mouths of babes."
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I completely agree with you.. I don't have any camo gear or tabi boots or anything like that.. I'm not sayin its bad to have it I just think for the type of exploring I do it is completely unnecessary... I use a $25 LED Flashlight and wear regular clothes with my old shoes. 
[13:54:15] <Agent_Skelly> Well, a friend of mine I had "benifits" with last fall was 420 lbs
[13:54:51] <Raider> Wow.... that is large.... now she doesn't crush you or anything? Not to be rude but seriously I'd suffocate
4:15:42] <bobtheallmighty> in my experiance there are very few things that are irregular when it comes to sex >_> |
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Jester
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| | | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 4 on 3/19/2004 4:19 PM >
|  | | | To me what seperates us, or some of us I guess, is just the thics of it. Tagging in a drain, well, it doesn't really matter. Tagging on the side of someone's building is destructive and not your right to do it unless it's your own building...
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uem-Tux
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| | | | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 5 on 3/19/2004 4:29 PM >
|  | | | Posted by The Lost Flock
Just grab a flashlight, go out and explore. It's really all you need 9 times out of 10.
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You're right about that Lost Flock. On the other hand, grafitti artists can also be complete idiots.
I've been on a few online forums where fully 80% of the message traffic was people insulting each other. Thier community (at least online) seems to range from unfriendly to downright hostile.
There's also this guy: http://uem.minimanga.com/newsposter/postnote.php?view=90
He seems to be a grafitti artist, and he's a total a-hole.
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Tupsumato
Location: Finland
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| | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 6 on 3/19/2004 4:41 PM >
| | | | I don't like their attitude :<
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| | | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 7 on 3/19/2004 5:14 PM >
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I recieve the exact same email! I responded to the person and told them how "HaRdCoRe" I thought they were but never got a response.
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Heartless
Location: Dakota Territory
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| | | | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 8 on 3/19/2004 5:42 PM >
| | | | I kill taggers and "hardcore" punk bitches.
I agree with Lost Flock 100%. And the taggers do have a point, a lot of places we explore are not exactly classified top secret. Some are, some aren't but require some knowledge to access, and some are just right there on main street with open doors and a welcome sign. What I like to see on websites is intriguing stories along with photographs, artsy or not artsy. Check out Action Squad (www.actionsquad.org) and you'll see what I mean. This was one of the first sites I ever visited, and I fell in love with Max's talent for storytelling. Even stuff that isn't all that cool was turned into a rock out with your cock out death defying adventure, in the name of fun and glory. And they're not exactly the "kids who read too much Soldier of Fortune" type.
I'm also big on the historical side of things, i.e. if I come across a site depicting an abandoned asylum or something, then god dammit I want some background info. Do some research. I spent three years researching (actually interviewing, looking up former employees, etc.) Gopher Ordnance Works in SE Minnesota before I was satisfied that I had learned enough. Places like that are important parts of the community in which they are located, it's cool to read about how at said location, the highways ran only east in the mornings and west in the evenings, and that after the war infirmaries were built to house polio victims and whatnot.
But really, who gives a shit. That's my criticism from an explorer's perspective. The general public who happens to stumble across your site will probably just paruse through pictures for a while and not think twice about it. It's totally hypocritical too, because yes, I have a tripod site and yes, it blows. But a new one is underway
And who gives a shit what taggers, vandals, and graffiti "artists' think about what we do and how we do it. Like their opinion counts for anything in this world, except for the fact that the bastards can vote if they are over 18 in the USA. I'm with WRabbit in saying that I hate seeing some dumbass kid's name or a crude depiction of a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle scrawled on the walls of places with historic significance. If I caught them doing it, their dead body would be on the wall, too.
Besides, I take pride in knowing that while the vandals, stoners, and dumbass kids may travel the same sites as I at times,I actually know what the sites were/are and the history behind them. I see the site as how it would be sixty years ago, complete with cots upon cots of dead and dying polio victims in the same room as I, while they go through life seeing only the aging brick and mortar, knowing only hearsay and rumors, their only contribution being their name left with a Sharpie or a broken window.
Fuck 'em. Let 'em think.
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| | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 9 on 3/19/2004 5:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by uem-Tux
You're right about that Lost Flock. On the other hand, grafitti artists can also be complete idiots.
I've been on a few online forums where fully 80% of the message traffic was people insulting each other. Thier community (at least online) seems to range from unfriendly to downright hostile.
There's also this guy: http://uem.minimanga.com/newsposter/postnote.php?view=90
He seems to be a grafitti artist, and he's a total a-hole.
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This guy needs a severe subsevening.
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ultralazer
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 10 on 3/19/2004 6:50 PM >
| | | | ok, let me get this straight here:
graffiti artists online is probably one of the funniest things i have ever encountered. about 90% of them are huge dicks online and the other 10% are really nice, whilst in person 90% are the most amazing people you could ever meet and 10% are assholes. thats just the way it works online, the hiphop culture (graffiti is known as one of the "four elements of hiphop", i dont really know why, because this is not really true, anymore for the most part anyways) is naturally competitive and things get out of hand when youre not face to face, and never will be. i've been a graffiti artist for around 4 years and an urban explorer for maybe the last 1 and a half of those. graffiti is infact what got me into the urban exploration scene here. as a graffiti writer, i thought it would be interesting to get into the old subway tunnels so that i could paint some parked trains, but as an urban explorer, i'd want to get down there to visit the abandoned stations. what it really comes down to is respect. i'd paint a drain, and depending on the building and situation of that building i would paint that too (dont get all huffy with me, usually that would be only over something someone else had painted, so as to not cause any more damage, and no stupid tags or bubble letter crap, not on anything historical/significant). most of the graffiti artists i know have the same respect for buildings (old and new) that we do. graffiti artists have a code of ethics too, its usually the crappy unexperianced ones that fuck shit up, and people on both side of the devide get mad at them for it. trust me: graffiti artists are not uncaring slobs. shit, when it comes down to it, we're all just human beings.
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Curious_George
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| | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 11 on 3/19/2004 8:03 PM >
| | | | Posted by Tupsumato
I don't like their attitude :<
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Same here, they remind me too much of the idiots I left behind after graduating from high school.
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Big drain driving
| | | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 12 on 3/19/2004 8:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by WRabbit
I just wish they'd be a little more discriminating about what they tag. Personally, I could care less if they want to paint every sewer or drain they come across. I wouldn't do it, but it doesn't bother me one lick if they tag places like that. But it pisses me off if when I'm exploring some ruins or an abandoned site with some historical significance and I come across someone's name scrawled all over the wall, no matter how pretty it is.
--WR
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I agree with White Rabbit here. I don't care what they do in drains, but on buildings, well that's another matter. What really pisses me off though is when they tag on some one's private dwelling or wall. It costs people money to remove that.
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| | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 13 on 3/19/2004 8:15 PM >
| | | | Posted by Heartless
If I caught them doing it, their dead body would be on the wall, too.
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Now that would be a treat for future explorers...
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Mousey
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| | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 14 on 3/19/2004 9:39 PM >
| | | | I realise that graffiti artists have a code of ethics, but I've seen graffiti on church buildings, on houses, and on cars. That isn't ethical at all.
We aren't ranting at graffiti artists in general, and I'm sure most explorers have respect for graffiti artists, we are just ranting at the idiots that go against your ethics as REAL graffiti artists.
There are stencilists, and writers, that get alot of respect out on the street scene for what they do. They SHOULD represent graffiti as an art with ethics, but instead they adopt this really stoopid "hey I'm such a hard guy dope bitch nigga blah blah blah" and cause all the kids to go crazy for spray cans.
They make random vandalism cool for these kids. They spray whether they have something to paint or not. They don't care, it's cool, that's all that is important. Their chosen lifestyle overrides any respect for others property. And unfortunately, as a graffiti artist, you are going to be tarred with the same brush.
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| |  | | | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 15 on 3/19/2004 11:21 PM >
| | | | I really don't think we should give two shits what a pack of vandals think of us.
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Heartless
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| | | | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 16 on 3/19/2004 11:57 PM >
| | | | Posted by kn0wledge
I really don't think we should give two shits what a pack of vandals think of us.
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Exactly. See my post above
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| | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 17 on 3/20/2004 12:38 AM >
| | | | i've never been called a pompous asshole before... 
That just cracked me up... Honestly, some of the graffiti I've seen on this site and UEM is amazing (Montreal)... I know, it's vandalism, but some of it is beautiful...
We used to get these crossovers all the time on j-body.org, the "this is what so and so owners think of Cavaliers..." threads.
We have our playground, they have theirs...
Vandalism or crappy graf sucks balls... i mean some of the stuff at Jenkins and that wall in Montreal are amazing! And then there is stuff that is just a waste of krylon.
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| |  | | | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 18 on 3/20/2004 3:02 AM >
| | | | Why should I respect a vandal who calls his vandalism art? Do you respect thieves who call themselves artisans of theft?
What there doing is defacing property sometimes permanently that isn't theirs. I have no respect or patience for someone like that. Who do they think they are? What gives them the right to destroy whats not theres to destroy?
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Heartless
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| | | | Re: What graffitists think of Urba Explorers
<Reply # 19 on 3/20/2004 3:07 AM >
| | | | Posted by El_Gordo_Uno
Why should I respect a vandal who calls his vandalism art? Do you respect thieves who call themselves artisans of theft?
What there doing is defacing property sometimes permanently that isn't theirs. I have no respect or patience for someone like that. Who do they think they are? What gives them the right to destroy whats not theres to destroy?
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Yes, but what gives us the right to tresspass unto places that aren't ours to explore? Think about that one. To each his own, I guess, but to be honest, I hate the motherfuckers, too. At least we have "leave no trace" ethics, most of us.
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