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really one of my favorite topics... I love the history of the world following World War II. It's interesting to see how fast and how far the world changed.
Any favorite periods or players?
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The '20s was another post-war period where urbanisation and construction took off, and North American culture went through some of the most drastic changes in history.
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Posted by racetraitor
The '20s was another post-war period where urbanisation and construction took off, and North American culture went through some of the most drastic changes in history.
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i'd definitely agree with that statement, however, i feel that the most drastic social, economic and truly global implications came as a result of World War II. I mean, at the end of WWII, there were two great super powers, two big kids on the block, and everyone caught between them. Have you ever watched propaganda pumped out by the US government from the early to mid 1950's? If you dubbed it in German, it would've had the same sinister fruitiness as propaganda films from Nazi Germany a decade before.
The 20's were a lull before the storm, I feel. Also, the 20's were a forgotten period in American history. It was between the end of World War I and before the Great Depression... it was definitely a time to get your party on because from that point on, 1929, there wouldn't be much partying going on.
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Posted by Samurai
i'd definitely agree with that statement, however, i feel that the most drastic social, economic and truly global implications came as a result of World War II. I mean, at the end of WWII, there were two great super powers, two big kids on the block, and everyone caught between them. Have you ever watched propaganda pumped out by the US government from the early to mid 1950's? If you dubbed it in German, it would've had the same sinister fruitiness as propaganda films from Nazi Germany a decade before.
The 20's were a lull before the storm, I feel. Also, the 20's were a forgotten period in American history. It was between the end of World War I and before the Great Depression... it was definitely a time to get your party on because from that point on, 1929, there wouldn't be much partying going on.
i think we're going to have fun with this discussion board!
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Uh-oh, I sense a '20s vs '50s war coming on!
Have you ever read The Great Gatsby? I haven't, but the '20s weren't called the Roaring '20s for no reason. This was when people started buying mass-produced goods, listening to radio stations, building skyscrapers. It's also when black or "race" music started to take hold. It was also when women got the right to vote and started being a little more liberal with their bodies. In fact the '20s had a much more drastic sexual revolution than the '60s (keeping in mind that the flappers were the first of their kind while the free love of the '60s was just bringing to fruition ideas that were already in play).
After World War II, the old superpowers were in bad shape, leaving only two left to fight over the remains. However, it is immediately following World War I that the US became the world's richest nation for the first time.
There are definitely a lot of similarities between the '20s and the '50s, both being prosperous times full of growth and social change. Fortunately the latter had a happier ending.
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I'm a big fan of any history surrounding wars. WW1, 2, and my favourite is the Cold War.
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I find it fascinating how history repeats itself. As you guys have already stated, the 1920's and the 1950's are very similar. One could argue that these eras of prosperity are repeating evey 30 years. The 1980's was another era of growth and prosperity. This fits into the 30 year cycle. I predict that the 2010's will also be prosperous. We will come out of the second great depression and spend money like madmen.
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Posted by PorkChopExpress
We will come out of the second great depression and spend money like madmen.
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Hopefully that will not be the case, for moderated expenditure seems to be a better course of action. Personally, I've learned to squeeze by in this depression with a moderate, yet bearable, level of discomfort, know that the economy will some day pick up.
I actually believe that the current state of international affairs, namely Iraq, will not have any direct bearing on our crisis once the "War On Terror" is completed. Had this "war" been an actual military conflict, instead of a simple outlet for America's moneys and young lives, I doubt that the world would be lodged in such fiscal despair.
I sincerely hope, however, that it will not take a full-scale war to stabilize mankind's monetary situation. The loss in life would a tragic trade-off for what, a somewhat heavier pocket book?
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It's not wise to read too much into the cycles of history. The '80s weren't a prosperous time for everyone. Also, there's already a war going on, and if the economy is flopping right now, I have low hope we'll have a prosperous postwar era.
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There was a Russian economist named Konradtieff who had a theory of the market fluctuations. He based it on the 1700 and 1800's, claiming every 40 or so years the market would peak. So far its proven to be true, give or take a few years.
My favourite period is the 1910s. I love the Titanic and World War One. It's a bit of an obsession. I'm a history student though, so I'm kind of obligated to love all eras. hahaha.
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Posted by yellow_wallpaper
There was a Russian economist named Konradtieff who had a theory of the market fluctuations. He based it on the 1700 and 1800's, claiming every 40 or so years the market would peak. So far its proven to be true, give or take a few years.
My favourite period is the 1910s. I love the Titanic and World War One. It's a bit of an obsession. I'm a history student though, so I'm kind of obligated to love all eras. hahaha.
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Yeah, that was a pretty interesting era. The Titanic disaster was said to mark the beginning of the end of an era though. One example is that a larger number of the widows from Titanic actually remarried (back then it was more proper for a woman to not remarry if her husband died or if they were divorced) and people started speaking up for their rights. After the disaster, the black gang (stokers) of Titanic's sister ship "Olympic", walked off the ship to protest the lack of lifeboats and returned only when there were enough lifeboats. Their timing was excellent as the owners would have had the ship's departure delayed while finding new stokers for the ship.
And I'm looking forward to the next market peak.
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really one of my favorite topics... I love the history of the world following World War II. It's interesting to see how fast and how far the world changed.
Any favorite periods or players?
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Probably the period of the late forties to the late seventies
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