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Posted by Jondoe_264
Ford Capri!!
I think it was just a Manchester thing . . I certainly recall seeing a lot of them in my youth, inside and out :\
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I totally agree - while the Police were struggling to keep up with you with their back end sliding out at every turn and the car forever breaking down you would be LONG GONE!!
Criminals wet dream, FTW! 
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Posted by Jondoe_264
Best Police cars ever.
http://www.mcgrogg...hester_Police1.jpg
Ford Capri!!
I think it was just a Manchester thing . . I certainly recall seeing a lot of them in my youth, inside and out :\
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those were sold over here during the mid-70's as a Mercury Capri, almost as a Mercury companion to the Ford Mustang II.
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Posted by Samurai
those were sold over here during the mid-70's as a Mercury Capri, almost as a Mercury companion to the Ford Mustang II.
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Actually it was dubbed the Poor Mans Mustang. Or those kids that wanted to get a mustang but was given this by their parents.  LoL!
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I think this is the same car that Soldat222 started this thread with, but now with the passenger window taped shut and right front tire flat.
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Posted by Jondoe_264
Best Police cars ever.
http://www.mcgrogg...hester_Police1.jpg
Ford Capri!!
I think it was just a Manchester thing . . I certainly recall seeing a lot of them in my youth, inside and out :\
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Best car ever, almost.
I love my 76 Mk II with the 2.8 v6
For 10 years it was on and off the road. Each time it came out the the garage a bit faster.
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Posted by Honshu
Actually it was dubbed the Poor Mans Mustang. Or those kids that wanted to get a mustang but was given this by their parents. LoL!
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And now all of the ones left are used for club racing. The German built, early 70's were better built than anything in that price range in the states.
The Mustang II was a pile of crap.
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Posted by Blue Taco
I think this is the same car that Soldat222 started this thread with, but now with the passenger window taped shut and right front tire flat.
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It was like that when I was there too. The damn security lady almost got me sitting in her shady personal car.
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Posted by NickSan
The Mustang II was a pile of crap.
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I disgree.
The Mustang II came at the right time, for the right price, for the right market and kept the Mustang name alive until the third generation premiered in 1979. One thing that should always be kept in mind was that the Mustang was and is a parts bin car. The engineering of the original Mustang was a mix of Fairlane and Falcon and went from there, eventually becoming a cartoon of itself by the redesign in 1971. In 1974, when the Mustang II debuted, it was the height of the OPEC oil embargo and small cars were selling like hotcakes. The Mustang II was the right car in the fact that it had a small displacement, 2.8L V6 sourced from Ford's European arm (which for 1974 was fairly revolutionary). It's standard power was from the then clean-sheet 2.3L OHC Lima 4. Granted, power was nothing to note, but the fuel economy and overall 'feel' of the car was definitely ahead of the times. Many people have bitched that the Pinto and Mustang II were about the same car which is unfair to the Deuce. The Mustang II shared much of it's engineering with the Pinto, mainly in the sense of keeping costs low and volumes high. Much of the differences in the car came in the suspension location and calibration. Anyone who has ever driven a Pinto and a Mustang II will say that the Mustang II definitely rode and handled better than the poor old econo-pony.
One other thing that really peeved me about Nicks comment was the fact that the Mustang shared powertrains between the Pinto and Capri. It wasn't until 1975 that the Mustang II was equipped with an emissions emasculated 302 V8.
So where is the hate come from for the little pony?
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Posted by Samurai
So where is the hate come from for the little pony?
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That car was another in a long line of poorly made US cars that embarrassed us in the face of Jap and Euro quality.
And for an American muscle car name it was an embarrassment. Yeah it got a bunch of small US cars on the road but that was due to being an American built car, not a quality built car. They always reminded me of the $.25 car ride at the store.
Having driven Mustang II and having owned a Capri and a 280Z in the 70’s I can say the Mustang II was not a well built car, it was not a drivers car nor was it sexy.
They should have retired the Mustang name until they could build something worthy of the name.
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Posted by NickSan
That car was another in a long line of poorly made US cars that embarrassed us in the face of Jap and Euro quality.
And for an American muscle car name it was an embarrassment. Yeah it got a bunch of small US cars on the road but that was due to being an American built car, not a quality built car. They always reminded me of the $.25 car ride at the store.
Having driven Mustang II and having owned a Capri and a 280Z in the 70’s I can say the Mustang II was not a well built car, it was not a drivers car nor was it sexy.
They should have retired the Mustang name until they could build something worthy of the name.
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Nick, I hate to say this, but some friends of mine had cars around the same vintage as the Mustang II. One was a 79 Celicaa ST another was a 75 Corolla SR5 liftback... not once did I drive either car and think to myself what a fine quality car they were. They felt like a cheap hunk of shit. When I graduated high school, I had a 1980 Ford Pinto with a 2.3L Lima 4/4speed manual. My friend had a 1982 Toyota Corolla SR5 coupe with a 1.8L OHC engine/5speed manual. My car had 86,000 miles, his had 65,000 miles... Who's broke down more often? Who's car had shit falling off of it? Who's car was more expensive to fix? Who's car felt like a cheaply made toy? Yeah, I'm throwing rocks at Toyotas while driving a Ford... Sue me. I drove my Pinto to hell and back twice, raced it fearlessly and drove it in snowstorms that would've made a Hummer go "wait just a goddamn minute..." and never once did it fail me. It seemed like every time you turned around, Eric's Corolla had something wrong with it. Clutch one week, alternator the next, bumper cover falling off, ripped seats... the car was a rolling clusterfuck. ANd he had that same fanboy attitude that drives me nuts to this day. Oh his Toyota was sooooooooo much better than my Great Pumpkin. (Yeah, my Pinto was orange.)
Maybe it's because I have been around cars all my life, at both ends of their life cycles, maybe it's because I am from the North East. Maybe it's because I am cynical and don't buy into much bullshit, but I never ever saw where a foreign car, other than a BMW or Benz, was all that much better than a domestic.
I have twisted wrenches on just about everything on wheels and give me a Ford, GM or even a CHRYSLER to wrench on other than a Japanese car.
All i could imagine as I tried to shove my Caucasoid hand into these impossibly small workspaces was som evil Japanese line worker, "Stupid American with the fat hand! Bwahahaha"
I just want to know what qualifies the average schmuck on the street expert on a car? What makes some dickhead who barely knows how to drive a car or put gas in it an expert on quality? What, just because he reads what the fanboys at Consumer Reports have to say, that means he's an auto writer for Car & Fucking Driver? Horseshit. Most people don't have a clue what it takes to design and build a car, let alone what goes on on an assembly line. So everyone is an expert on quality... hooray. Now, I'm not calling Nick a dickhead. It's just his comment are what I have to deal with ON EVERY FUCKING AUTOMOTIVE FORUM I BROWSE... oh my fucking god... japanese quality blah blah blah... what a joke. Start googling around at warranty hassles the foreign makes give you, or how often their cars DO break down and how much $$$ they pay to keep it quiet.
Nick, i'm not going off on you... it's i get tired of hearing the same old rhetoric
by the way, our local cops have a plain old beige gramma Taurus for a cop car.
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i like my 4runner
At the moment, I own a Chevy, a BMW, and 2 Toyota 4-Runners. Each with it's own purpose, but I have to be honest, my Toyota went to hell, and back, more times that I could count. I put 34" Super Swampers on the stock suspension, with a stock power plant, and drove the christ out of that thing. I couldn't kill it, no matter what I did. My mom ended up killing it the one time I let her drive it.
Oh, I went exploring last week and security drove a 97 metro with 2 donuts on it. Terrifying.
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Very nice, very eloquent angry rant. I'm all fired up now!! I almost lit my little Nissan truck on fire, but it was sitting right between my Chevy and my Ford trucks.
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Posted by cr400
Very nice, very eloquent angry rant. I'm all fired up now!! I almost lit my little Nissan truck on fire, but it was sitting right between my Chevy and my Ford trucks.
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After re-reading this, it's unfair. I didn't mean to go off on Nick. It wasn't fair and everyone is entitled to drive what they want. Wasn't my intention to a)derail the thread or b) fly off the handle. It's just that the way that I see things are definitely different and it pisses me off that I see through what I basically feel is a big steaming pile of PR bullshit.
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Well, a car is an investment. So one of the main reasons why people buy foreign auto is because it holds it's resale value fairly well.
Not that the low resale value of American cars is a bad thing for this country. In fact it's the other way around. I know a lot of people who can't afford to spend $5000 on a Civic but can get a Cavalier for half the price.
One problem I encountered with going to the bank for a car loan was they wouldn't issue a loan if the car was more than 5 years old.
From the Dealer a 2004 Civic would be around 8 or 9 grand.
From the Dealer a 2004 Cavalier would be around 5 or 6 grand.
You could knock a grand off if you bought the car with 115,000 miles. Make a Private sale you could get the car for 1500-2000 off the dealers price.
That's still 5 grand for the Civic and only 2 grand for the Cavalier.
A lot of people will be completely carless in 5 years if new American cars were to be stopped being produced tomorrow. (granted the older imports would be taken up pretty quickly.)
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Posted by TheVicariousVadder
That's still 5 grand for the Civic and only 2 grand for the Cavalier.
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and the Cavalier will last just as long as the Civic and be cheaper to repair than the Civic.
I know, I've had 8 Cavaliers of varying vintages.
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Posted by Samurai
and the Cavalier will last just as long as the Civic and be cheaper to repair than the Civic.
I know, I've had 8 Cavaliers of varying vintages.
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BUT. The Civic is worth more on trade in. 
I looked at getting an Accord, Camry, and Altima but realized none of them offered anything over one another. Just brand name.
I got the Stereotypical "NO. They Suck." from both parents when I suggested American. Seeing as I needed my mom's co-signature for the loan (banks aren't handing out loans irresponsibly anymore, what the hell?) and my dad's automotive skills as he is the one who does the maintenance. That squashed that idea.
I went with my '05 Legacy Sedan because it had AWD. (Hey I just remembered Av drives a Legacy, lol.) And it was the best offer I found at the time and I needed a new vehicle ASAP.
You know the saying ... Consider a good deal but don't pass up a GREAT Deal.
The car was really well maintained. But had really high mileage 133,000. (The previous owner had a 2 hour highway work commute every day.) The dealership put new tires, new manifolds, new Catalytic Converter, brakes are fairly new, timing belt. Car is used; but is "like new". The car is a rarity in that.
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Posted by TheVicariousVadder
Well, a car is an investment.
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hardly an investment.
automobiles are guaranteed losers
in⋅vest⋅ment[in-vest-muhnt]
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cars NEVER appreciate in fact the moment its titled it loses value.
I'm not trying to be and ass or give you a hard time so dont take it that way. its much like Samurai's earlier rant, I cant keep my mouth shut when someone refers to a car as an investment. kinda like saying a boat is an investment.
now if we we're talkin about a Bugatti Royale, well then that may be a different story.
and the foreign vs domestic thing, rigamortis has long set in on that horse!
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Posted by Speed
hardly an investment.
I'm not trying to be and ass or give you a hard time so dont take it that way. its much like Samurai's earlier rant, I cant keep my mouth shut when someone refers to a car as an investment. kinda like saying a boat is an investment.
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No worries here.
(One of my more recent triggers is I get pissed when people blame the economy for EVERYTHING that goes wrong in their lives. Instead of figuring out the real reason, things aren't going correctly and fixing it at the source. That and people who can't take responsibility for their actions. I'd rather hear them admit their mistake and then have them tell me to go fuck myself; than listen to them try and pass the buck.)
You have to spend money to make money. You need a vehicle to get to your job (At least I do). Having a reliable vehicle and one that is good in the snow; allows me to get to work, even when most other people call out. A car could be considered an investment in that regard.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
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Posted by TheVicariousVadder
No worries here.
(One of my more recent triggers is I get pissed when people blame the economy for EVERYTHING that goes wrong in their lives. Instead of figuring out the real reason, things aren't going correctly and fixing it at the source. That and people who can't take responsibility for their actions. I'd rather hear them admit their mistake and then have them tell me to go fuck myself; than listen to them try and pass the buck.)
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aint that the muthafuckin truth! I'm completely with ya
Posted by TheVicariousVadderYou have to spend money to make money. You need a vehicle to get to your job (At least I do). Having a reliable vehicle and one that is good in the snow; allows me to get to work, even when most other people call out. A car could be considered an investment in that regard.
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more of a necessity but I hear what you're sayin
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Posted by Speed
hardly an investment.
automobiles are guaranteed losers
cars NEVER appreciate in fact the moment its titled it loses value.
I'm not trying to be and ass or give you a hard time so dont take it that way. its much like Samurai's earlier rant, I cant keep my mouth shut when someone refers to a car as an investment. kinda like saying a boat is an investment.
now if we we're talkin about a Bugatti Royale, well then that may be a different story.
and the foreign vs domestic thing, rigamortis has long set in on that horse!
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Trabants in Eastern Germany did in fact cost more when used than new, but that was mainly because the waiting list time on a new one was several YEARS while there is no time on a used one.
That was the strange way of the so-called "Free market economy" in this communist state
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