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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
<Reply # 1680 on 9/25/2007 2:27 AM >
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Edit: The drain that was visited after the first meet has had it's hedge clipped, and is now in plain sight.


Gee...WHY?



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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
<Reply # 1681 on 10/1/2007 3:58 PM >
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im interested in a meet ive been waiting all summer you old fogies *shakes fist*

sorry havent been all that active with the posts lately BUT if you guys are wanting to meetup im all for it.

Ct



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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
<Reply # 1682 on 10/2/2007 1:52 AM >
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We could be next...

Check this new excellent post by kjohhnytarr in the Main forum.


Secret tunnels underneath Fresno's Chinatown probed by archeologists
By Juliana Barbassa
Associated Press
Article Launched: 09/27/2007 10:23:09 AM PDT

FRESNO, Calif. - Tunnels run beneath Chinatown: brick-walled passages that were once home to people and activities that couldn't be mentioned aboveground.

Rick Lew knows, because he walked the passages as a child, entering through a trapdoor in his grandfather's liquor store.

"There was a nightlife you couldn't see from the streets," he said.

But to many others, the lace-work of tunnels sprawling under the city was just another tall tale from Fresno's days as a Western railroad town and a hub of gambling and prostitution.

Now, a group of archeologists is using ground-penetrating radar to find evidence of the secret passages, which are believed to branch out from long-abandoned basements littered with animal and human waste, cobwebs and other filth.

The project, funded by the city and headed by a group working to preserve Chinatown, will take data gathered via radar and compare the findings to the memories of those who recall the neighborhood's heyday, said Kathy Omachi, vice president of Chinatown Revitalization. That will help archeologists decide where to dig trenches and look for the passages, researchers said.

The approximately six blocks just west of the railroad tracks that make up the historic Chinatown were Fresno's birthplace, said Karana Hattersley-Drayton, the city's historic preservation officer. Unlike the better-known Chinese quarters of San Francisco and New York, there's little left of it today - at least on the surface.

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But fire insurance maps from the 1880s show a densely populated area offering a stark contrast from the wide-open ranch and farm country all around.

It was home to the Chinese laborers who laid Fresno's foundations, and to successive layers of immigrants - Japanese, Armenians, Mexicans, Portuguese, Basque and others - who were kept separate from the growing white population by the iron boundary of the train tracks.

The area long housed family run stores, temples, churches, Chinese and Japanese schools. But it was also host to illicit activities - gambling, drinking during Prohibition, and prostitution - not deemed respectable enough for the "good side of town."
Omachi's father, a Japanese immigrant, was born here in 1913 "between a bar and a house of ill repute," she said.

Many establishments had basements, some of them interconnected. Of those that can still be seen today, some end in bricked-off walls that longtime residents say hide tunnel entrances.

As late as the 1950s, when Lew was a boy, Chinatown was still thriving - both its respectable establishments and as its shadier side.

He remembers visiting the underground world with his father, first passing though a dark basement before descending into a lit tunnel with an arched roof and enough space for two people to pass by each other. There were people there he recognized from the neighborhood. And then there were the glamorous women whose images remain seared in his memory decades later.

"They were off to the side, in bright satin dresses, one red, one blue," said Lew, speculating that they were probably prostitutes. "I later asked my father about it. He said it was something we don't mention."

Jon Brady, lead archaeologist on the project, said the tunnels may have been built to provide cool underground storage in a region known for sweltering summer heat. But they later proved handy for communication, transportation, and even escape when necessary.

"These groups that lived on the fringe could have resorted to them to protect themselves, communicate away from public view, who knows what else," Brady said.

Local lore holds, though it still hasn't been proved by research, that a tunnel one time extended beyond the railroad tracks into the traditionally white part of town, possibly allowing "respectable" citizens access to the illicit charms of Chinatown.

"Some say that was blown up during prohibition," said Hattersley-Drayton, who got a lot of calls from longtime residents once the project got started. "I'm hearing that from a lot of people, but we just don't know yet."

In the 1950s and '60s, many of Chinatown's buildings were torn down to make way for new development or freeways, and much of the history was buried, Lew said.

"Many of the older residents packed up and left, and it started getting rough," Lew said. He now lives far from Chinatown, but remains surrounded by artifacts from the days his family was an important part of the neighborhood: tall, elaborately decorated vases, paintings and sculptures handed down by his grandfather, and the old manual cash register that rang up purchases at the liquor store.
Today, Fresno's Chinatown is largely abandoned, peopled by the homeless, with many of its facades boarded up and only a few remaining businesses - an herb shop, a fish market - serving as evidence of the lively commercial center and night spot it once was.

It's a part of the region's history that's been forgotten, but that was an important aspect of the city's development, and of the settlement of the West, researchers said.

"This is an opportunity for us to look at where we were," said Patti Miller, spokeswoman for the city. "As we turn our eyes to revitalizing downtown, this aspect is critical."

Although the archaeological study is just beginning, there appears to be some evidence of underground "linear structures" that could be large drainage pipes, or tunnels, said Brady.

Hattersley-Drayton hopes someday Chinatown and its excavated tunnels might be developed for heritage tourism, bringing some income to what is now an impoverished area.

For now, it's just about understanding what's there, Brady said.

"This is a first step, and it's about approaching parts of community history that are not in books," said Brady. "Parts that are literally below the surface, but that deserve to be told."




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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
<Reply # 1683 on 10/2/2007 8:57 PM >
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That just doesn't jive with the theme of this thread does it? Down in Fresno the city is actually funding the search looking for these tunnels. Here in Victoria (supposedly) the City, Mayor and Council, municipal blue collar workers, Police, dog catcher, street people, mysterious old people at coffee shops etc.. all know of the tunnels exact location, but all are banding together to keep it secret from those pesky tourists, who would surely destroy the tunnels should they find out their exact location.



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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
<Reply # 1684 on 10/2/2007 9:16 PM >
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That just doesn't jive with the theme of this thread does it? Down in Fresno the city is actually funding the search looking for these tunnels. Here in Victoria (supposedly) the City, Mayor and Council, municipal blue collar workers, Police, dog catcher, street people, mysterious old people at coffee shops etc.. all know of the tunnels exact location, but all are banding together to keep it secret from those pesky tourists, who would surely destroy the tunnels should they find out their exact location.


I have it on good authority that one of the dog catcher DOES NOT KNOW!!!! HA!!!




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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
<Reply # 1685 on 10/2/2007 9:22 PM >
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That just doesn't jive with the theme of this thread does it? Down in Fresno the city is actually funding the search looking for these tunnels. Here in Victoria (supposedly) the City, Mayor and Council, municipal blue collar workers, Police, dog catcher, street people, mysterious old people at coffee shops etc.. all know of the tunnels exact location, but all are banding together to keep it secret from those pesky tourists, who would surely destroy the tunnels should they find out their exact location.


You didn't include members of the GCG crew, who also know of specific locations etc. and are nonetheless keeping this info from pesky tourists.

Keep in mind that the folks at City Hall released a press statement a few years back denying in very certain terms the existence of these tunnels. Archives won't cough up any information on so much as the rumours, and the people presently working for the city...e.g. city works, ground crews, engineers, etc...have all come along long after many of these initial discoveries were made, and then filled in.

As I've said in the past, if you want concrete information from city workers, talk to the people who were working the end of the shovel 50 years ago.




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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
<Reply # 1686 on 10/3/2007 8:57 PM >
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the woman at the archives, she's in on it too.



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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
<Reply # 1687 on 10/3/2007 9:55 PM >
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the woman at the archives, she's in on it too.


Talk to her sometime. You'll instantly feel the chill from her icy stare, and your world will fall into her void of silence.





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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
<Reply # 1688 on 10/4/2007 1:54 AM >
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Cyborg, Replicant, Drone, Crone, Black Widow Spider in disguise?... She's one in a million, (Thank God).

Maybe the trick to 'infiltrate' her world is to go there at opening time, and stay the whole day. Make yourself a fixture every day for a month. Tell her only the vaguest details of the reasons for requesting material. After a week, the tension, ooooh, bring chocolates, then step behind her desk...

No, no, I can't!, not even for the GCG.

Even smarmy Richard Gere would have his work cut out for him warming her up.



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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
<Reply # 1689 on 10/4/2007 6:31 AM >
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On my first visit to the archives, quite a while ago, I investigated under the pretense of a research report on Victoria's sewage system. I was not verbally accosted by the nice lady (who helped me retrieve a good bit of information), but instead, her tall and rather bland looking co-worker looked me right in the eye and said "Tunnels! Is that what your looking for?"

I had hoped that it would go without saying that people should not directly inquire into our underlayer, but evidently someone had been in that cosy little informatorium before me, and had done just that.

So please, for all those wishing to do a little homework, be subtle.



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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
<Reply # 1690 on 10/4/2007 4:35 PM >
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On my first visit to the archives, quite a while ago, I investigated under the pretense of a research report on Victoria's sewage system. I was not verbally accosted by the nice lady (who helped me retrieve a good bit of information), but instead, her tall and rather bland looking co-worker looked me right in the eye and said "Tunnels! Is that what your looking for?"

I had hoped that it would go without saying that people should not directly inquire into our underlayer, but evidently someone had been in that cosy little informatorium before me, and had done just that.

So please, for all those wishing to do a little homework, be subtle.



...and kind and gentle and happy and giving and show some love and bring her a coffee and offer her a foot massage and maybe theater tickets to some exclusive show and a round-trip travel package to an all-inclusive exotic destination.

My first couple of visits to archives went well...they were generous with their time and forgiving of my lack of experience in dealing with Official Records, and I couched all my questions in the frame of 'general interest,' but as soon as they figured out what I was looking for...basic information, newspaper clippings, photographs, maps, detailed charts, etc....all that friendliness and love and hospitality went out the door.





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<Reply # 1691 on 10/7/2007 10:15 PM >
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hey sup all im new too this site n hav noticed good looking upon all your adventures for i have searched lurked too an extent by mainly by myself n hep of a friend hoo is pretty much cluless upon our wondering . this isnt related toward exact topic but i recently by word of mouths heard from my friend that his friend hoo jes got out the clinc has a bro hoo he knows not close close but knows of his doings apparently in a cult related 2 underground victoria ive heard lots of things in all sorts but these get me curious along pretty astonished. they said; smoking weed one night wen i repeatedly suggested things concludeing n contributing to the subject of wutevr to do with victoria n its underground . they said his brother he knows has been affiliate too so n they dismemebred his 2 fingers by the knucle joints n hes been into this thing for 21 years an thats all he knows? but meanhwile he extrememly warns me never go ther man never go you will get killed no1 will hear you or anyone . welll i have roamed around the upper victoria looking in alleys n all sorts of wonder 2 look at n experience for i never knew some places were where they are but the recent things ive heard n realize is the freemason building ive spotted more than 3 signs n 2 odd fellows buildings the one downtown isnt too hard too not notice anyhow ive had firneds say of say from another that they cabn take me too right where i could get in but they are iffy and byches simply how i see or simply not as gutsy clearly they are the type hoo get aroudn town alot though & say specificly they can get me in but dotn want to come im certain
i have a older ex navy friend hoo would come with me n another with equip n accesories special ones if needed yadayadayada but im still debateing cuz i do not want to waste time n fuc myself over any way or whatsoever.
also i talked to another one of my old friends reallly into bmx cross n adventures n smoking weed as we did but he instantly told me a story along with michelle remembers riddle me not or wutevr when someone creates rumour attached to story of some fucing sadistic shit it effects you too think maybe there is deep shit ? jes a curioust contradiction too anything but i read before a satanic priest does have missing fingers & by all means my friend called his x-man hoo i dont kno of n he told me on phone they placed that girl in a cow stomache n re-birthed her out of its ass for re incarnations of satan
this was exactly wut he told me n it did sound obliviousss but the facts of my words right then were the reply of saying dumbfounded'' wuuuuuuuuut'' where i was stoned & laughing but when i have a belief of rumour forsay when its mentioned no matter wut the issue there si something with truth involved n revolveing around the subject of whatever fuct up shit but im knowing now there is fuct up shit if none of us were typing about this then maybe not cuz ppl will talk to you about so or be mad n then you kno there is soemthing of somethign hidden you've all debated it but i like too look into these things too n i hope i can contribute help or give the proper person/s a vision or my side of view if it can pass i have books of symbols n such too n i notice infront our parliament there is a phallus infornt it with a saying of a plaque quoted with ''erected by the people'' of somethign somethign all i thought right away referring too the books it says a phallus is to resemble a power holder n in sense of power magick it is appropriate to assosciate the stucture too resemble also a devils penis ? which is used to collect powers n ward off anything claim im oblivious but this what i got right trippin on cuz its right next too the sidewalk posted up on the big ass lawn by the statue of the queen herself n that army motherfucr on the pedestal . i look sometimes wen im there usually if im not too busy recently i went in a place with a lady catching me n walked out im not say where cuz simply for reasons but i went another place in a arched alley with sealed places everywhere & one man ran up these stairs with a radio attache to him n stood with his bac faced to us me my two other friends got iggnoartn n followed him where he stood stillw ith his bac to us n we watched him for a moment but he still wouldnt budge too show his face he looked like he rather stayed un known almost like a parking meter worker with otu his uniform {hat florecent light vest or wutevr } jes had a crew cut sunglasses back pack n walkie talkie it seemed wen he first went up the stairs he was going into an awkard geto looking apartment loft of sort within this arched alley wityh a couple hidden lofts ppl saty in with a owl on the front doorstep we persist pretending to look at the view but buddy wouldnt move jes kept looking like he was to be rolling weed or something like that or doing a smash but he clearly wasnt so it got too extent liek it woulda seem like we were tryna figure out what he was doing but we left n went down the stairs n went onto around china town where i looked bac n up to the balcony type satirs where this man stood as i looked he jes walked away as if hiding fucing weird but anyhoow im stuc liek you all in intertest n overwhelmingness with sorts of such stuff but ive heard form ppl i kno hoo are pretty bout it to smash on someone say sopemthign or anything fuct up abotu victoria ive heard things n i really wonder if it is some deicidal fucing crazy shit i hav put ppl in spots liek you all have too i bet n asked till they get mad or simply say dont go there & then u ask y. they tell you y or they get mad. lemme kno what soem you think im type to stay in touch too fuc anybody who some cop on this site tho you cant trust jes everyone but you can get an idea?



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<Reply # 1692 on 10/7/2007 10:26 PM >
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they also said they will mix you up in a bowl lol but ya sry if i aggravate anyone with my babbale upon this thread
i would like to help anyway i can ? n relate to such so agian sry for half off the topic jes took so long to figure otu how to get my comments cracn



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<Reply # 1693 on 10/8/2007 12:36 AM >
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Well.....thank you, no print. That certainly lends credibility to this thread. Do you also go by the user name jt colfax?



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<Reply # 1694 on 10/8/2007 2:57 AM >
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very welcome nope? this is my first n only name ? took me while so it seems if u lazy too sign up but now i got it happenin i remember seeing one guy on here said he went looking & never came bac lol ive had my friends bac out jes the same its ok if u scared but soem of us are well knowing i dont giv a fuc if someone grabs me anywhere down there they will get hurt with no1 2 hear them or i will n it is that time if that were how whatsoever is but i jes here in loyalness too defnitely not bych out like a poosy as long the precautions of natural causes in very close areas if u cant stand a elevator im sure u gonna relapse n passout with ya cardiac arrest in effect while ya team simply leaves you yesssss no haha but yea this my first n only account whereas im to comment i have read over alot tho ma jority in sum



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<Reply # 1695 on 10/8/2007 3:22 AM >
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...um. Thanks for the ennnpoot. Er...input, yo.



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<Reply # 1696 on 10/9/2007 2:36 AM >
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Have I entered the Twilight Zone (again), or was there not just a huge post on here by a newb called 'no print'? And a couple of short follow up posts, dated up to today. Their dissapearance is veerrrrryyy weird.

April Fool's in October? OIC. Seriously, WTF?

Mod: Holy Shit, a huge black 64 Lincoln just parked in front of my place. 3 guys with very pale skin, and Jesus wtf! freaky ruby red eyes, wearing black suits. Now they are coming to the door.... I'm hiding in the cellar. Nice knowing you all. Ahhhhhh!


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My sister is Charlotte Light and Dark. Who am I?

Farewell and thank you... "I was doing something that I thought could have some impact someday. In many ways, it's really these photographs that kept me going creatively." Dennis Hopper
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<Reply # 1697 on 10/9/2007 3:13 PM >
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i did post 3 messages n they say all mine are incoherent for you all too read if u ask meeeeeee that is some mess but it seems they dont like my typing or simply what im saying clearly



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<Reply # 1698 on 10/9/2007 3:14 PM >
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soem u read it quicly n smart i think?



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