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Posted by EnvoyToTheMolePeople
Your main problem would probably be how hard they are to use, even if you are an expert.
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They really are not to hard to use, at least on a majority of the locks I've run into on sites. Everyone seems to like Masterlock, but a 5 year old can pick a Masterlock in 10 seconds. You start running into Abloy's, disc detainer locks and shit like the ASSA Twin Pro, then you just want to put the picks away and try another way. But a good majority of the locks I've run into on sites I've needed to do nothing more than rake the lock.
Masterlock being popped in a few seconds
https://youtu.be/kIY901Edka4?t=129
Entry Techniques
https://www.youtub...atch?v=rnmcRTnTNC8
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Deviant Ollam is my favorite. Learned a lot from that guy.
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Posted by AdventureDan
Deviant Ollam is my favorite. Learned a lot from that guy.
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Sidebar:
Ollam in Hebrew means universe.
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Posted by AdventureDan
Deviant Ollam is my favorite. Learned a lot from that guy.
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Same, his video very informative and you can figure out many different way to bypass a door if one way don't work.
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Posted by FZRaven
Abloy's, disc detainer locks
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Drilling those is no use.
Dremel tool time.
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Posted by Radio2600
Drilling those is no use.
Dremel tool time.
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Ya I'd look for another way in, my skill level is not that high. I can pick spools fine, serrated pins give me issues in some locks.
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Posted by AdventureDan
Deviant Ollam is my favorite. Learned a lot from that guy.
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Him and The Grugq are two of my favorites to watch.
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Posted by FZRaven
Ya I'd look for another way in, my skill level is not that high. I can pick spools fine, serrated pins give me issues in some locks.
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Those Abloy monstrosities are showing up in the IT world. Particularly in TEMPEST certified environments.
There is a certain TEMPEST certified facility in my area with multi-layer access controls. The last step in access to the equipment is to obtain a key from a secured key cabinet that uses a retina scan to unlock. So after the guy got his retina scanned, the cabinet unlocked and he pulled out a CH751 key.
I guess if you got passed the guard that sits behind 1" Lexan, the sally port with dual card readers, dual PIN pads and a biometric palm print reader, the totally generic key is sort of minimal. Getting your retina scanned to get a common RV key is ridiculous.
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Posted by Radio2600
I guess if you got passed the guard that sits behind 1" Lexan, the sally port with dual card readers, dual PIN pads and a biometric palm print reader, the totally generic key is sort of minimal. Getting your retina scanned to get a common RV key is ridiculous.
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All of those pin pads and biometric readers probably operate on wiegand data format. Find an external one for like the parking garage or something, and install a man in the middle attack chip such as a BLEkey. Boom. Come back a week later and you have your pick of data credentials.
Of course all of this depends on their active surveillance coverage and security staff protocols.
Unlikely, but in the chance you do get past all that at least you wont have to bypass the retinal Scanner! 
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Posted by FZRaven
Ya I'd look for another way in, my skill level is not that high. I can pick spools fine, serrated pins give me issues in some locks.
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Honestly sometimes I spend more time and cursing on old Americans with serrated pins, than I do with Schlage Primus or even Medeco Biaxials.
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Posted by AdventureDan
All of those pin pads and biometric readers probably operate on wiegand data format. Find an external one for like the parking garage or something, and install a man in the middle attack chip such as a BLEkey. Boom. Come back a week later and you have your pick of data credentials.
Of course all of this depends on their active surveillance coverage and security staff protocols.
Unlikely, but in the chance you do get past all that at least you wont have to bypass the retinal Scanner!
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They thought of that. The first device is past the security guard.
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Posted by Radio2600
They thought of that. The first device is past the security guard.
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At least someone out there has intelligent security protocols somewhat.
Maybe you could Tastic RFID the first guard then say you forgot your card and come back.
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Posted by AdventureDan
At least someone out there has intelligent security protocols somewhat.
Maybe you could Tastic RFID the first guard then say you forgot your card and come back.
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Can't get close enough. He sits behind 1" Lexan aka bulletproof glass.
BTW: Some professional pen-testers like Deviant Ollam came to Iowa and got a surprise.
https://www.nytime...ouse-burglary.html
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Posted by ClementRSedona
The best thing is, you leave no trace of you being there and you have an easy acces.
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Yes you do leave a trace behind. Lock picks will leave marks on the bottom of pins and other parts of the cylinder.
It’s called forensic locksmithing. Yes you can google it.
Thought y’all might appreciate that lil bit of info.
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Posted by Sir Ed
Yes you do leave a trace behind. Lock picks will leave marks on the bottom of pins and other parts of the cylinder.
It’s called forensic locksmithing. Yes you can google it.
Thought y’all might appreciate that lil bit of info.
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True, but unless you've picked your way into a top secret base or murdered someone on the other side of the door, I don't think anyone is going to bother with the forensics.
I locked myself out of my room a couple days ago by accident and was able to pick the door open.
Saving money by not having to call a locksmith or drill through your own locks is an added bonus! 
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Posted by Radio2600
Can't get close enough. He sits behind 1" Lexan aka bulletproof glass.
BTW: Some professional pen-testers like Deviant Ollam came to Iowa and got a surprise.
https://www.nytime...ouse-burglary.html
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Sounds like somebody didn't read the contract the service provider had them sign.
"Aint nothin' to it but to do it"
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Posted by Sir Ed
Yes you do leave a trace behind. Lock picks will leave marks on the bottom of pins and other parts of the cylinder.
It’s called forensic locksmithing. Yes you can google it.
Thought y’all might appreciate that lil bit of info.
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lol, i knew about that... but leat's be real, we are not talking about picking an active bank or federal building here. Such investigation will not happen for 99% of the stuff we get in... and like i said we leave no trace behind for them to know we where there in the first place so they won't start to dismantle their lock each week in case it have been picked.
But yeah, the info is nice to know for people who are not aware that such thing exist.
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Posted by Sir Ed
Yes you do leave a trace behind. Lock picks will leave marks on the bottom of pins and other parts of the cylinder.
It’s called forensic locksmithing. Yes you can google it.
Thought y’all might appreciate that lil bit of info.
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You need a rather expensive microscope to see those marks and most police departments would have to send the lock cylinder to a crime lab at a larger agency.
Outside of major crimes or national security incidents, I don't see this level of investigation happening.
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Ignoring the debate of whether you should or should not, I'll pass on all the info i have on the subject.
As a kid I practiced with the "Dyno quik pick". This device is 20$, easy for beginners, portable, and works well. I was able to pick the big round master locks and any cheap padlock, pretty much any standard padlock can be picked with it. I never was able to use it on a door.
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Whatever. I'm new so if my opinion gets me banned then so be it right?
Yeah. I carry lock picks with me and I know how to decode combination locks. They're useful and I often find myself decoding an entire building and saving the numbers for the future. I DO NOT break locks. and I lock everything the way it was when I leave. If I'm ever thinking I'm going to get caught they're simple enough to throw away somewhere in all the trash around me.
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