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Infiltration Forums > US: South > Itís a sad day in Dallas(Viewed 1232 times)
Dee Ashley location:
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Itís a sad day in Dallas
< on 5/28/2019 1:31 PM >
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I didn’t know the Ambassador was the oldest historic structure in Dallas until just now, but it isn't anymore...

It’s gone.

https://www.dallas...ure-destroyed-fire

Despite two attempts, I never did get inside of this one.


Here’s a synopsis from NBC News:

“More than 100 firefighters battled a massive fire at the Ambassador Hotel near downtown Dallas Tuesday morning. No injuries were reported and the fire is under control.
Dallas Fire-Rescue responded about 1:30 a.m. to the hotel at 1312 South Ervay Street. The six-story building was engulfed in flames and firefighters shifted to a defensive position. One person, the building's caretaker, was at the location but was not harmed.”

(https://www.nbcdfw...las-510500241.html)




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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 1 on 5/28/2019 2:12 PM >
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Condolences from mid Atlantic...I'm sorry for that loss; it always sucks to lose a site (especially an unexplored one) like this...and such a historical one. 😞
I'm glad nobody was hurt or killed as a result, but truly a sad day.
R.I.P., Ambassador Hotel.



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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 2 on 5/28/2019 2:23 PM >
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Posted by Dee Ashley

Despite two attempts, I never did get inside of this one.




Apparently the wrong dog did...



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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 3 on 5/28/2019 2:55 PM >
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Posted by Dee Ashley

“One person, the building's caretaker, was at the location but was not harmed.”



Did the building's caretaker live on site??



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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 4 on 5/28/2019 3:55 PM >
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Posted by Dee Ashley
I didn’t know the Ambassador was the oldest historic structure in Dallas until just now, but it isn't anymore...

It’s gone.

https://www.dallas...ure-destroyed-fire

Despite two attempts, I never did get inside of this one.


Here’s a synopsis from NBC News:

“More than 100 firefighters battled a massive fire at the Ambassador Hotel near downtown Dallas Tuesday morning. No injuries were reported and the fire is under control.
Dallas Fire-Rescue responded about 1:30 a.m. to the hotel at 1312 South Ervay Street. The six-story building was engulfed in flames and firefighters shifted to a defensive position. One person, the building's caretaker, was at the location but was not harmed.”

(https://www.nbcdfw...las-510500241.html)

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Holy shit, I just saw this one on sunday when I was driving through dallas. This is awful, do we know a cause?




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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 5 on 5/28/2019 4:11 PM >
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Posted by Pear


Holy shit, I just saw this one on sunday when I was driving through dallas. This is awful, do we know a cause?



A match, flick of a Bic... sounds like an accelerant was used.


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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 6 on 5/28/2019 5:38 PM >
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Wow! Hated waking up to this today. Absolutely loved this place. Had the pleasure of seeing part of it once. On a whim, I just stopped by, explained who I was and what I did for a living and asked if I could get a short look. They took me around a few areas of the main lobby and conference areas, nothing really upstairs, I was thankful for what I got! While they did do a good job of making sure the roof didn't leak and such so the place wasn't falling in around itself, I swear the carpet was 40 years old as was furniture and drapes etc... Musty but cool as hell.

When The lake Companies bought it, I was thrilled as Jim's crew knows what their doing and does a great job of keeping the charm of old buildings while merging them with the new.

Whoever asked, Security was in a separate trailer so was safe. Way to early to tell what happened but as security was on site, fairly good chance it wasn't vandals or explorers or such. I would guess electrical in nature started and as it was going to thru demo and cleanup no telling what flammable chemicals were about that enhanced it as well as age of the wood structure tends to make them tinder-boxes.



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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 7 on 5/28/2019 6:11 PM >
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Posted by Arch-Image
Wow! Hated waking up to this today. Absolutely loved this place. Had the pleasure of seeing part of it once. On a whim, I just stopped by, explained who I was and what I did for a living and asked if I could get a short look. They took me around a few areas of the main lobby and conference areas, nothing really upstairs, I was thankful for what I got! While they did do a good job of making sure the roof didn't leak and such so the place wasn't falling in around itself, I swear the carpet was 40 years old as was furniture and drapes etc... Musty but cool as hell.

When The lake Companies bought it, I was thrilled as Jim's crew knows what their doing and does a great job of keeping the charm of old buildings while merging them with the new.

Whoever asked, Security was in a separate trailer so was safe. Way to early to tell what happened but as security was on site, fairly good chance it wasn't vandals or explorers or such. I would guess electrical in nature started and as it was going to thru demo and cleanup no telling what flammable chemicals were about that enhanced it as well as age of the wood structure tends to make them tinder-boxes.


You post any images here?
Be cool to see them.
And well done



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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 8 on 5/28/2019 7:58 PM >
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You don't know how many recons we did of that place, always some type of activity going on but between 2004 and 2010 I must have scouted this place 10 or 15 times.


So theyre still trying to make the Cedars a trendy residential/mixed use neighborhood. This might actually help.




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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 9 on 5/28/2019 8:26 PM >
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So sad... I had this on my list of places to explore, too! What was being done with it before it burned down? Why was there security around?



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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 10 on 5/28/2019 9:14 PM >
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Posted by The Witness
Why was there security around?


Sounds like you've never been to that part of town.

If they didn't have security the locals would have stripped all the copper and any other metal worth stealing in about a week.

The Ambassador/ The Cedars is on your list ehh? You should post some pics of that area when you go, preferably at night!




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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 11 on 5/28/2019 10:05 PM >
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With a caretaker / security on-site when it happened it really seems odd for it to be so fully involved upon arrival of DFD. You can bet that the developer's insurance company will be doing an arson investigation. If it was caused by arson, hopefully they find the evidence. Too many historic buildings are 'mysteriously lost' to fire during renovations.

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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 12 on 5/29/2019 2:22 AM >
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Posted by NMPatriot
With a caretaker / security on-site when it happened it really seems odd for it to be so fully involved upon arrival of DFD. You can bet that the developer's insurance company will be doing an arson investigation. If it was caused by arson, hopefully they find the evidence. Too many historic buildings are 'mysteriously lost' to fire during renovations.

NMPatriot (Ric)


Quoted for the truth. Most people would not believe some of the technology pro arsonists use. And the motive is often huge.




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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 13 on 5/29/2019 3:27 AM >
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Quoted for the truth. Most people would not believe some of the technology pro arsonists use. And the motive is often huge.



Don't get me wrong.. it's not always arson. There are certain things that will cause a small, smoldering fire to take a building like the Ambassador with a quickness.

I'm not familiar with this building, but things that contribute to rapid fire spread include missing / broken / open windows at ground level as well as on upper floors, lack of doors or open doors between sections of the building and on stairwells, missing / open elevator doors or exposed shafts, etc. These kind of things contribute to chimney effect within a multi-story building and can spread fire from a ground floor or basement location to upper floors very fast.

The less fresh air that a fire gets and the more smoke that builds up in a confined area, the slower the spread of fire (until it finds a source of sufficient oxygen to ignite unburned combustion gasses).

Maybe rule #2 of urbex (after "Leave only footprints, Take only photos") should be "If at all possible, close the door every time you leave a room". Pretty much any door, other than hollow-core wood veneer residential interior doors, can help stop fire spread. The particle board core type doors with faux woodgrain finish most commonly used in commercial buildings are rated for a minimum 30 minute fire exposure under NFPA 252.

Meh, It may sound silly or paranoid and maybe I am. That's what 20+ years in Fire / EMS gets ya. My money is still on this fire being intentionally set.

NMPatriot




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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 14 on 5/29/2019 11:52 AM >
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I saw this on the news. Yes, very sad. I'll be interested to hear what the cause of the fire was.



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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 15 on 5/29/2019 12:38 PM >
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I have an inside source in the DFD who responded to this fire, will see if they have a cause and origin determination yet usually takes a few days.



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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 16 on 5/29/2019 9:43 PM >
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Posted by blackhawk


You post any images here?
Be cool to see them.
And well done


No, I didn't take any pics that day, I had been in the area checking out some real estate locations for a project and this Hotel has always fascinated me and felt it would have been kind of rude having just "dropped by". I asked about the possibility of setting up a time to come and do a shoot to document the hotel but they said no, at that time I don't think there was much thought to selling it.

Sometimes when you have a place and it just seems there is no way to get in, if you truly want to see it, just ask if it is occupied or if vacant you can call and ask, you would be surprised how often people will accommodate you. Granted as a developer/builder sometimes it does give me an edge on socializing my way in places.

As for the possibility of Arson, I would have to say no way. I know the lakes who were redeveloping this project and #1, they are about as honest as they come #2 I kind of saw his redevelopment of the Bishops Arts area in Dallas as Jim Seniors crown Jewel and this as the Sons Crown jewel. As well, there was no one as excited about the project as they were.



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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 17 on 5/30/2019 1:03 AM >
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Posted by Raticus
I saw this on the news. Yes, very sad. I'll be interested to hear what the cause of the fire was.


All I can say at this point is its under investigation. The owner had a long running revitalization project going on, Arch Image may know more about that than I can find out but my source says there is plenty of attention on that and the fact the owner has been complaining about homeless people shitting on "his" sidewalk and bugging the police about bums passed out on "his sidewalk" etc.


A quick drive through this neighborhood should tell you why I don't believe it when I hear someone brag: "its on my list to explore" haha right


...yeah and it had more graffiti than last time I was there urbexing it too!



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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 18 on 5/30/2019 8:17 AM >
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@2X, As far as he neighborhood, nothing has changed. It’s about as.., um, “trendy” as it has always been, lol.
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@NMpatriot, I’ve seen how quickly these fires can get out of control and I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn't seen it for myself.
I live at the bottom of a hill and there’s a fire station above me on top of that hill next to some new apartments. When they were building those new apartments one of the construction crew left a welding torch on and even though the FD was next door, the fire became a 5 alarm fire that could be seen (I’m told) from Fort Worth (the fire was in Grapevine)! It was so close the firefighters could have fought the fire from their own driveway, yet it was out of control within minutes - maybe less. It was one of the most terrifying things I’ve ever seen. Fires are a lot scarier when their ashes are landing on your doorstep! I’ve always had a healthy respect for fire, but that experience was very humbling. I shudder to think how it could have ended had the fire station not been next door.
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Has anyone heard any news on the cause of the Ambassador fire yet?

Edit:
Here’s a pretty detailed update:
https://www.nbcdfw...las-510500241.html

Still nothing on the cause of the fire though...


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Re: Itís a sad day in Dallas
<Reply # 19 on 6/28/2019 5:02 PM >
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Posted by 2Xplorations
I have an inside source in the DFD who responded to this fire, will see if they have a cause and origin determination yet usually takes a few days.


You ever hear anything on this? Seen nothing in news one way or another.



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