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I want to make this board specifically for film issues. On the other boards its all scattered and all over the place so you never might see what you were looking for. Here it will give us a chance to be able to talk about the problems and hardware/software issues that concern people who are into film.
Also I thought it would be a great place for critiques of new work by people who are our peers before showing them to the outside world.
I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them.
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Are we talking celluloid here? Actual film? Count me in, but it's been awhile since I worked with the stuff. I'll go shoot a super-8 movie just for this board. I might come into some 16mm soon, been meaning to dust off the old bolex and shoot some. I just made the jump to digital, and now someone has to go and restart the film fire under me.
Sorry, I've had no sleep.
Asylunt
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No unfortunately after i started this board I noticed that you had started a digital board for a/v. so i think this will be just for showing of new movies yet to be released...
But for all means go shoot a film with celluloid. I have no way of developing o editing that type of film. I think thats why digital is so amazing...ayone with a creative expression can go out and do it. it bridges alot of old gaps.
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I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them.
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I knew it was too good to be true! No one wants to use film anymore, even though you can pick up super-8 film equipment incredibly cheap.
Sigh.
Well back to Final Cut Pro then.
Asylunt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." Mark Twain |
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But don't you miss splice-editing the old film?
NOT!
"Your mama is so fat, when she sings, its over."
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On a movieola in a dark room with strips of film coming out your ass, plus having to use mag tape to sync sound, oh and don't forget the grease markers. Ah yes, Cinema Tools for FCP is a godsend. Actually I wouldn't still hold on to film so much if I could afford to have a wide variety of lenses at my disposal for a DV cam. Some day I'll own a XL1, but until then I have to use crappy lenses, or pull out my bolex and it's wide array of fun lenses and use film.
Anyway, back to the digital revolution and whatnot!
Asylunt
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Posted by Asylunt
Anyway, back to the digital revolution and whatnot!
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Yes, but now ANYONE can make a film!
hahaha, I've always liked that one.
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Posted by Civil Disobediance
But don't you miss splice-editing the old film?
NOT!
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i started when i was younger on a analog camera. but i would have to agree...I think even though the other form has its own beauty and it is alot harder to do (so only real passionate people will get something done) this new way opens the doors for alot more work and ideas to get out there.
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Actually, the only thing that keeps me from using any of the Super-8 cameras that I find at various places is the fairly high price of digital conversion on it. Film isn't too pricey and processing is not too bad overall, but I have yet to find a place that doesn't charge an arm and a leg for digital conversion. Does anybody have any tips on that?
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Posted by curious cat
... this new way opens the doors for alot more work and ideas to get out there.
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And with this comes a bunch of crap as well. I'm all for digital, because it makes it easier for me to do what I love to do, but now it is also easier for passionless idiots to make crap. This isn't directed at you, I think the work you have shown is very promising. You, curious cat, have a natural eye for the subject, sure you'll learn more techniques through experience that will polish your work, but at the core it is solid. I've seen so many lame hack job independent films that I now sometimes get sick at the thought of going to a local film festival, but somewhere in the murky water is pure gold. Hollywood for the most part sucks these days, and now independent cinema is being overrun with iMovie kids making Kevin Smith movie parodies. I love Kevin Smith don't get me wrong, but do I want to see Joe Blow and his fat cousin pretend to be Bluntman and Chronic. Nope. Fortunately the cream rises to the top, except in Hollywood, where FOX can take a highly profitable franchise such as Alien and Predator and make a worthless 70 min pile of shlock.
ooops....I'm ranting. Sorry. Keep following the dream!
Asylunt
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I know what you mean, if you shoot a lot and want to get it transferred, then you don't pay so much, but Film & Video services charges a min 400 ft. that's at $0.12 a ft. plus the $15 set up fee and the $10 tape charge. $73 bucks for 12-15 mins of film, Why?
Here's the cheap and easy way, get a super-8 projector, a decent screen, and a mini-dv cam. Late at night close all your shades, and do the transfer yourself, it will look just as good, if not better because you'll be able to monitor it. I had super-8 transferred to dv at Film & Video services and there was so much dust and hair on the transfer I made them do it a second time. The woman there can be a real bitch sometimes. Hope that helps. I picked up a projector and screen cheap at a church rummage sale. If you have trouble finding one, I'll have my dad send up mine from KC.
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Hmm. Will that preserve the grain structure of the film? One of the main reasons I'd be interested in playing with Super-8 would be to play around with pushing it hard (probably 3200 or 6400) and going for extreme grain.
I'm also interested in playing more with stop motion. I think that my Mini-DV camera has a stop motion option, but it's just not the same to me.
I'd be interested to see some/any of what you've transferred with a projector esp. if there's a way to compare it to stuff that you've had professionally transferred.
BTW, Asylunt, have you seen that video that the guy shot in the asylum? I forget which asylum and what the guy's name was, but it's downright fabulous. It's part stop motion/time lapse and part real time.
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Posted by EatsTooMuchJam
BTW, Asylunt, have you seen that video that the guy shot in the asylum? I forget which asylum and what the guy's name was, but it's downright fabulous. It's part stop motion/time lapse and part real time.
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ooooooo find it i wanna seeee!
asylums are my fetish!!!
I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them.
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Hello.
The asylum vid is pretty cool, I remember seeing it a few months ago or something. I tried looking for it on my PC but couldn't find it, but I'm sure if you dug around here you could find a link.
Asylunt, its a shame we didn't get to work on anything this summer, goddam job. Next summer my pay will be substantially higher, so I won't have to work as many hours and maybe we could get something done.
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No, I've been told about it numerous times but am yet to see a copy.
I don't have any copies of my stuff on a native digital format, it's all been put on VHS for easy show. I can assure you that it looks the same, I don't even think they have a telecine for Super-8 at F&V services, they might, but they don't clean the damn thing, that's for sure. The trick to it is, to project a very small image to get even brightness. I can show you the professional stuff, as well as my crummy VHS copy of some old junk. But I more easily could gather the stuff required and test some out here. I'd like to try it with a better DV cam than the crap one I had. The grain comes through fine in my eyes. I can't imagine doing stop motion with anything but film. Well, maybe a nice digital still camera so I could get some real crisp images.
Asylunt
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Ah. Brian Papciak is the filmmaker. You can see some shorts from the film at http://www.handcrankedfilm.com/bryan/metstate.html
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i think i am in love! the hallways were amazing
i wonder how he was able to keep the hallways all in the same exact spot so it looks like you are going straight through....thats pretty exact in the mathematics of it.
I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them.
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My guess would be that he had the camera on a dolly or a wheeled tripod.
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I tought this private forum was about film with the idea of slides, 35mm, 120, 4X5 or bigger still picture film. It look like it is more about movie film than film itself. Anyway, I'm reading the whole thing.
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Actually I thought it was about motion picture film, but it is more about Digital Video.
Eh, read on, we might convert you yet. Just remember that composing motion film is like composing thousands of little still pictures in succession and you'll be fine.
Asylunt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." Mark Twain |
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should ii call it digital video? i mean it can be anything as long as its images moving and it has some sort of idea behind it...lets open our minds boys...creativity is limitless
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