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Infiltration Forums > UE Main > Are "They" watching us?(Viewed 10756 times)
Abby Normal location:
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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 20 on 4/16/2019 7:27 PM >
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Posted by Dee Ashley

About two years ago, I sat in the back of a North Texas courtroom... <snip for brevity>



What a nightmare! I find it difficult to comprehend how various governmental and law enforcement agencies can justify the time and effort invested in what is essentially a trespassing violation. One would think that there are unsolved violent crimes, burglaries, robberies, embezzlement cases, and the like that could use the manpower that was investing in your case and others like it. And I suspect that they employed the usual process of "over charging" you with every violation they could, knowing that you would have to plead down the charges. The would still get their "conviction" so their statistics would look good.

My thoughts are with you as you near the end of this nightmare. I hope that it comes to a reasonable resolution.

Abby Normal




"Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem." Ronald Reagan
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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 21 on 4/16/2019 11:25 PM >
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Posted by Dee Ashley


I shared a summary version of that story right before I saw your post. I'm glad to know at least someone here besides me remembers that horrible saga! Maybe few others got something valuable out of my story without having to experience it themselves. That might be a longshot, but it's the only positive outcome I can come up with for that unfortunate tale. Hey, you never know.


Sadly, it's still not "all said and done." I'm hopeful this will finally be over and behind me by the end of next month. We shall see...


I wasn't going to use your name but Im glad you shared your experience with the group.

I am so sorry you had to go though all that Dee, I really am.

As you know I live out in Bubbaville now, Redneck county USA, our DA cuts deals on most felonies most of the time just to save money. I have has some "personal experience" with the local justice system and have been working for an attorney recently as an expert so I can tell you truthfully Id rather walk barefoot a mile across hot asphalt than deal with it. And that has had an impact on where I explore. Risk to reward ratio has turned 180 degrees for me.

There is no rhyme or reason as to who gets tried and who walks away it seems but I know budget constraints play a large part in their decisions. Trials are expensive and we broke the budget on two murder cases out here recently so if they can get a plea deal by any method they will. Also don't forget some DAs will "roll the dice" and run a bluff on cases where they aren't sure a jury will convict, they offer attractive deals to defendants just to dangle the option in front of them hoping they take the easy route. The court appointed defendant attorneys all work together with the DA on that. Its like a machine that works with a wink and a nod...






Radio2600 location:
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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 22 on 4/22/2019 7:20 PM >
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Posted by Aran

Quite. Two of the big Facebook groups in my area (Abandoned Wisconsin and Abandoned Wisconsin II) have already had members charged based on exploring photos they posted under their real names- it's basically confirmed fact that cops and property owners are in that group just waiting for an easy arrest.



The similar group for Iowa:

https://www.facebo.../1447592358585656/

Of note is the most well-known abandoned building in the state. It's been in this condition for well over 20 years and is right next to a 4-lane highway.



Interestingly, that "no trespassing" sign went up not too long after pics of it started appearing on the above linked Facebook group.

EDIT:

The back story on this place is that it was built right before the highway was expanded to 4 lanes. The owners thought that the Iowa DOT would give them more money for the property if there was a house on it. The Iowa DOT ended up only taking part of the property and not the house, so wasted effort.


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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 23 on 4/23/2019 5:38 AM >
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Posted by 2Xplorations


I wasn't going to use your name but Im glad you shared your experience with the group.

I am so sorry you had to go though all that Dee, I really am.

As you know I live out in Bubbaville now, Redneck county USA, our DA cuts deals on most felonies most of the time just to save money. I have has some "personal experience" with the local justice system and have been working for an attorney recently as an expert so I can tell you truthfully Id rather walk barefoot a mile across hot asphalt than deal with it. And that has had an impact on where I explore. Risk to reward ratio has turned 180 degrees for me.

There is no rhyme or reason as to who gets tried and who walks away it seems but I know budget constraints play a large part in their decisions. Trials are expensive and we broke the budget on two murder cases out here recently so if they can get a plea deal by any method they will. Also don't forget some DAs will "roll the dice" and run a bluff on cases where they aren't sure a jury will convict, they offer attractive deals to defendants just to dangle the option in front of them hoping they take the easy route. The court appointed defendant attorneys all work together with the DA on that. Its like a machine that works with a wink and a nod...





This is true but so depressing. I miss the days when I was naive enough to believe in our justice system.



I wandered till the stars went dim.
Decayed Insanity location:
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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 24 on 4/24/2019 11:23 PM >
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My opinion- New age social media has definitely contributed to this. Instagram, Facebook, Snap chat etc. I could write a book on it, but basically social media is making exploring more "mainstream" or popular. I started exploring in 2010. Besides Facebook (which wasn't as stupid as it is today), there wasn't much to be monitored I guess. I didn't find UER until around 2013? There was a great forum for abandonment's on Long Island in the pre social media days, but that site has since been ended due to lack of participation and other things. I wish things havent evolved the way they did, as back then It was easier to enjoy the hobby with a much lower risk than there is today.
If I recall in 2009-10, there weren't 1,000 pages for explorers on Facebook, Instagram wasn't a thing untill 2011,2012?

Alot of these groups on Facebook are secretly monitered, and I know for a fact the NYS park police surf through instagram and FB groups to see who's exploring Kings Park.



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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 25 on 4/25/2019 3:40 AM >
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Posted by Dee Ashley


This is true but so depressing. I miss the days when I was naive enough to believe in our justice system.


Well, I still believe in it, I just spent 30 minutes trying to convince my wife who got a jury summons that trial by jury is a sacred part of our country and her civic duty! IF however that is given a fair chance. The lawyers can be very unfair, and or incompetent and often the plaintiff or defendant is the one who suffers the consequences. Some are just sneaky little weasels with no honor or conscience.

In my county for example all the court appointed defense attorneys have a deal, to make a deal they get paid $350 per case by the taxpayers and can run 8 or 10 cases per day in front of the judge, who is in on the deal making, defendant feels they get off with deferred adjudication i.e. no additional jail time, DA gets a win in the win column for a "conviction", the attorney walks away with 3g in his pocket for half a days work of pleading. Everybody goes home happy!


As I said I have been working as an expert witness for an attorney in another county. The judge does not always listen the defense attorney objects to everything and basically makes a mess of our cases. I thought I was out of that world once I retired but they threw a bunch of money at me until I came back.





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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 26 on 4/25/2019 4:11 AM >
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Posted by 2Xplorations

As I said I have been working as an expert witness for an attorney in another county. The judge does not always listen the defense attorney objects to everything and basically makes a mess of our cases. I thought I was out of that world once I retired but they threw a bunch of money at me until I came back.




Always better to have money thrown at you than shit...




Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
Dee Ashley location:
DFW, Texas
 
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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 27 on 4/27/2019 4:22 AM >
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Posted by 2Xplorations

... I thought I was out of that world once I retired but they threw a bunch of money at me until I came back.





I wish someone throw money at me to come back.



I wandered till the stars went dim.
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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 28 on 4/27/2019 1:16 PM >
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Posted by Dee Ashley



I wish someone throw money at me to come back.


A mixed blessing. I kinda like more money but I also like being retired. More time to play around not having to be on a schedule is worth something!





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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 29 on 4/28/2019 3:43 AM >
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Posted by 2Xplorations


A mixed blessing. I kinda like more money but I also like being retired. More time to play around not having to be on a schedule is worth something!




So true. I like money except when I’m beholden to it



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Lost Photographer location:
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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 30 on 4/29/2019 5:52 AM >
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Posted by Radio2600


The similar group for Iowa:

https://www.facebo.../1447592358585656/

Of note is the most well-known abandoned building in the state. It's been in this condition for well over 20 years and is right next to a 4-lane highway.

430749.jpg (162 kb, 800x555)
click to view



Interestingly, that "no trespassing" sign went up not too long after pics of it started appearing on the above linked Facebook group.

EDIT:

The back story on this place is that it was built right before the highway was expanded to 4 lanes. The owners thought that the Iowa DOT would give them more money for the property if there was a house on it. The Iowa DOT ended up only taking part of the property and not the house, so wasted effort.


I've seen so many people get comments from an angry owner of a property in my home county from this page XD





"Live out your imagination, not your history." ~ Stephen Covey
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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 31 on 5/5/2019 5:22 AM >
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I used to be pretty active on a graffiti forum, and that site got shut down more times than I can count. Even with all the issues that site dealt with, they always started it back up and it always thrived. Eventually a couple of big name graffiti artists from one of the world renowned crews got ratted out by a "member" on the forum and the site shut down for good.

I vlog a lot of my explorations and am very purposeful in not just obeying no trespassing signs, but even discussing why I won't do an exploration (at least while I'm filming) if there is a sign up. I kinda go over the top so if there was ever an instance of me being accused of breaking even the slightest law, I can at least reference dozens of videos where I can show that I was adamant about respecting and following the law. It might not matter much, but I like to think it would give me a little more rapport in front of a jury if something ever went that far.



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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 32 on 8/7/2019 10:54 PM >
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It's common sense to expect that what you do and post is seen by authorities.

Even way back in the day, when UE sites were just starting to pop up. Right after I brought Wraiths to the web, I saw site visits with all sorts of serious origins, various government and military hostnames. Didn't seem like they were hiding their visits early on, then poof, it changed, no more gov and mil. I'm sure they continued monitoring just as much, but now hide their trail.

It's not paranoid to believe they're watching, it's delusional to think they aren't.



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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 33 on 12/17/2019 9:40 PM >
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Posted by Jester
It's common sense to expect that what you do and post is seen by authorities.

Even way back in the day, when UE sites were just starting to pop up. Right after I brought Wraiths to the web, I saw site visits with all sorts of serious origins, various government and military hostnames. Didn't seem like they were hiding their visits early on, then poof, it changed, no more gov and mil. I'm sure they continued monitoring just as much, but now hide their trail.

It's not paranoid to believe they're watching, it's delusional to think they aren't.


Well put.
Generally they observe and do nothing, to a point.
More than one person has crossed the line here only to discover they aren't invisible on the internet.
Self preservation isn't paranoia.



Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
Aran location:
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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 34 on 12/17/2019 10:56 PM >
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I've found in the last few years that while you might see some pretty cool things and do some incredible stuff as an urban explorer, not all of it should be posted online. And sometimes, keeping certain information offline isn't always for the sake of the sites you visit.

Sometimes it's for your own.


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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 35 on 12/18/2019 2:25 AM >
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Even the streetlamps are watching you. I actually saw one when it got taken off the pole. It was set up to send live video to a UHF repeater used by the police for "other" than communication. The target was a dope house. And they got busted after months of collecting video on the subjects who were selling pot to kids.

I don't know if a warrant was sought or even needed because the camera only captured video outside the house, so I suspect it was not. But it must have been admissible because they got busted. Or maybe it was used to get a warrant to go in. I don't know. I was told they got hundreds of license plate numbers on it too.

This was late 80s, before 1988, today the technology is so much better. Cameras are better and way smaller this thing weighed about 40lbs!



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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 36 on 12/20/2019 9:04 AM >
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Many of the hard-hitting OGs here have deleted or made private a lot of their content. That's no accident.

Idk how these new guys post publicly on their Insta, but at least they have the sense to cover their faces.



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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 37 on 12/20/2019 10:55 PM >
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Posted by superphoenix
Many of the hard-hitting OGs here have deleted or made private a lot of their content. That's no accident.

Idk how these new guys post publicly on their Insta, but at least they have the sense to cover their faces.


Nevermind covering their faces, I have no clue how some of these Youtubers make themselves such a central part of their videos with seeming impunity...

I guess it always boils down to who you piss off. Dee's story is disheartening to say the least and also unfortunately indicative of what I know of the burbs: tons of people constantly peeking through their blinds, just waiting to cut someone down to size because they've got nothing better to do...





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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 38 on 12/21/2019 7:40 AM >
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Posted by android_eyez

I guess it always boils down to who you piss off.




April 1992, some people I know, stole a 30' tall inflatable chicken off the roof of a McDonald's. Right away, it was on the news and that this inflatable monstrosity was worth $20,000. In the news report, it was mentioned that McDonald's said they wouldn't prosecute if the chicken was returned unharmed. The guy who spearheaded this operation dumped the chicken in the back lot of community college and called the police tip line (from his home phone) to let them know where they could find the chicken. The whole thing was dismissed as a "college prank" and that was it.

About a month later, an giant, inflatable pink elephant was stolen from a toy store in the same general area. This time the owners of the stolen inflatable were out for blood. Mr Ringleader of the chicken exploit found himself getting phone calls at home from the police about the missing elephant in addition to being tailed by detectives who would also show up at his house almost daily. He had nothing to do with the elephant, but the cops don't know that.


Inflating the chicken in an abandoned building...









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Re: Are "They" watching us?
<Reply # 39 on 12/21/2019 2:52 PM >
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Posted by 2Xplorations
Even the streetlamps are watching you.

This was late 80s, before 1988, today the technology is so much better. Cameras are better and way smaller this thing weighed about 40lbs!


Just spoke to the guy I was with when the cam got removed, apparently the dispatch gave a patrol car nearby the license plate so they could stop the buyers. Those stops gave them enough probable cause to go in. It was a big deal I recall even the Dallas newspaper ran with it (not the camera story just the bust) These cameras were in use in several places and very hush hush at the time. Dallas Power & Light was involved because it was on their poles.

Now, I wonder about these door bell cams and Wifi camera net works Im sure some enterprising high school kid OR the police can hack into those. I don't really know.



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