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I somewhat recently found out about a couple people who were caught stealing from abandoned places and wonder who else here has been caught stealing?
Personally, I believe stealing in it's "exactitude" is wrong and I do not condone it...
I do however want to hear stories about what you or people you have know have stole, taken or borrowed...
Happy New Year btw
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Are they UER members? I'm not sure what the rules say but people have been disciplined on here for that.
I say name and shame them, either way.
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I don't think that's necessary, the police report is probably embarrassment enough for them to never want to steal again. lmao ... at least for one of them.
Anyhow I'm actually interested. I have seen other threads where people talk about souvenirs they have taken like bolts or random small stuff... lets face it, it's all technically theft.
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I will never understand how someone can think it's okay to take something while exploring. Not only are they stealing but they're kind of invalidating the whole "only taking pictures" excuse (even if it's true) I've personally got away with.
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Posted by adorb
I will never understand how someone can think it's okay to take something while exploring. Not only are they stealing but they're kind of invalidating the whole "only taking pictures" excuse (even if it's true) I've personally got away with.
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If you don’t take it, someone else will.
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Posted by Steed
Are they UER members? I'm not sure what the rules say but people have been disciplined on here for that.
I say name and shame them, either way.
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Lol, I can think of one, chiprcunt that got state prison time.
He shit on the wrong people.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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First rule I learned here was "Take only pictures, leave only foot prints"...
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To get back to the more general question about experiences with theft while exploring, I have given it a great deal of thought. I've also had a couple cases where police stopped and searched me to see if I'd stolen anything, and I only got away because I hadn't.
There've been several cases where people I've explored with have taken things. Usually I just don't invite them out again, and usually there's little issue because they're novices who didn't know better. Once we found a bunch of very cute but filthy puppets left behind, and my friend felt guilty leaving them to abandonment. Then another friend who was along with us for the first time barked "They're nasty, don't take them." Probably the most entertaining story is this one in the LDB, in which morality wins out.
Somewhere I have a long list of rules somewhere based around taking things, and when circumstances permit it. There are 12 or 13 of them, and excuses like "it's going to be destroyed anyway" and "someone else will take it" aren't accepted. The cleanest example I have is when I visited an abandoned building in a historic quarter of central Seoul, accompanied by preservationists and historians who were talking about buying it and restoring it and had sworn me to secrecy about its location. I got behind a counter and found boxes of business cards belonging to the previous tenant, a church, and I kept one which was used to track down the previous owners and determine the building's fate. A few months later, it was turned into another restaurant.
Of all the rules, the most basic one is "If you wouldn't take it from the active location, don't take it from the abandoned location." So, a business card is reasonable, as it also passes various other items on a long checklist I have somewhere.
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Posted by Steed
To get back to the more general question about experiences with theft while exploring, I have given it a great deal of thought. I've also had a couple cases where police stopped and searched me to see if I'd stolen anything, and I only got away because I hadn't.
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Myself as well has benefited from taking only images when searched by police. Stolen items establishes intent.
Careful what images you grab as well. That practice has saved me a lot of trouble with the police and FBI when they looked through my images.
When I shoot LEOs, they know I'm shooting them.
I never made it a practice to deliberately shoot them to show how clever I was at eluding them.
If investigated or arrested that may influence how they handle your case.
Once I saw a pic here of MPs here shot while trespassing on an active base. The shooter was bragging how they evaded the MPs but got no other shots of that site. Why even take let alone post that pic?
That's all the FBI needs to start an active investigation.
At least three members here have been investigated by the FBI because of their pictures. One was arrested and convicted of federal trespassing because of images posted on UER at an active naval base.
Many times trespassing isn’t what LEOs are concerned about. Many understand curiosity and why people take pictures of historic sites as long as you're straight up with them.
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When you remove an item from a site, you break it's link to history.
Then it becomes just another piece of junk to clutter up your house.
Images are much easier to store.
Think long and hard if it's really worth it.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Posted by Steed
Somewhere I have a long list of rules somewhere based around taking things, and when circumstances permit it. There are 12 or 13 of them...
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I'd like to see that list, if you happen to find it.
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Personally, I follow the "take only pictures, leave only footprints" rule very seriously.
I took a buddy along with me once who tried stealing something, I caught him, made him put it back and that was his last explore with me. It was a rusty old metal first aid box, and he wanted it because it looked similar to the ones found in Fallout.
There are only two circumstances in which I WOULD take something.
- if I'm there with the owner's consent, and they tell me I can take something.
- like many others on here, if I see an old American flag left to rot I will take it, fold it properly, and turn it into my local VFW for proper retirement.
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Posted by Shadowwalker91
Personally, I follow the "take only pictures, leave only footprints" rule very seriously.
I took a buddy along with me once who tried stealing something, I caught him, made him put it back and that was his last explore with me. It was a rusty old metal first aid box, and he wanted it because it looked similar to the ones found in Fallout.
There are only two circumstances in which I WOULD take something.
- if I'm there with the owner's consent, and they tell me I can take something.
- like many others on here, if I see an old American flag left to rot I will take it, fold it properly, and turn it into my local VFW for proper retirement.
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Well, this post says it all...
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I've had an instance where I ended up somewhere, the owner knew we were there, and we were told we could take whatever we wanted because everything was going to be thrown out when they redid the place. But those are, I find, exceedingly rare. I've never heard the rule "take nothing but pictures, leave only footprints" but I rather like that.
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| Of all the rules, the most basic one is "If you wouldn't take it from the active location, don't take it from the abandoned location." |
I agree with this for sure.
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Posted by blackhawk
Myself as well has benefited from taking only images when searched by police. Stolen items establishes intent.
Careful what images you grab as well. That practice has saved me a lot of trouble with the police and FBI when they looked through my images.
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Fortunately, Korean cops tend to be a lot more reasonable than American cops. My larger concerns are about anything surrounding US military bases.
Posted by blackhawk
When you remove an item from a site, you break it's link to history.
Then it becomes just another piece of junk to clutter up your house.
Images are much easier to store.
Think long and hard if it's really worth it.
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I like these sentences a lot. One of the rules I made basically says the same thing but less eloquently.
Posted by Shadowwalker91
I'd like to see that list, if you happen to find it.
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I tried looking last night, but it appears I've redrafted it a few times and I need to figure out which one is right. I may have cut down on the rules by combining some. Will look next time I have a chance and am more sober.
Posted by Shadowwalker91
There are only two circumstances in which I WOULD take something.
- if I'm there with the owner's consent, and they tell me I can take something.
- like many others on here, if I see an old American flag left to rot I will take it, fold it properly, and turn it into my local VFW for proper retirement.
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I can think of a few more scenarios:
-Passports. If I find abandoned passports that are still valid, I will take them and drop them in a mailbox. Once I found two Japanese passports in an abandoned Korean brothel. I would probably do the same for national ID cards, but not things like driver's licences, banking documents, or medical records.
-Animal rescue. We've had a few threads in here about people rescuing abandoned kittens from abandonments. I've also found a few mummified animals trapped inside abandonments, and I've opened a few windows to free trapped birds. Animal life is exempt from UE ethics.
-Money. I don't think I would leave money behind. If it's a large sum I'd probably try to find the owner. Hasn't happened to me, but it's happened.
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I never even considered the passport thing, as I've never encountered one. I'll keep that in mind though.
Haven't encountered any trapped animals either (yet), but yeah I would definitely help them if needed, though that doesn't really fall under the category of "stealing".
I remember reading the story of Dave aka Freaktography up in Canada who found I think almost 7 grand and was able to track down a living relative and get the money to her. If ever in that situation, I would do the same.
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If a location about to be demolished I usually ask the foreman if I can have an item (Usually a piece of furniture or something.) They ask the owner, and nine times out of ten I walk out with it. But other than that I never take anything.
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Yes this does seem like a great topic for a public thread.
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Posted by bigladchad
If a location about to be demolished I usually ask the foreman if I can have an item (Usually a piece of furniture or something.) They ask the owner, and nine times out of ten I walk out with it. But other than that I never take anything.
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Generally the owner -is- the demo company.
Their bid is based partially on scrape metals they can salvage.
With houses that may not be the case.
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Used furniture can have bedbugs... no joke.
They can survive for 2 years without feeding.
Real nasty little buggers.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Here's this moral circle jerk, again.
Here's a grown man's response: it's fuckin stupid to objectively steal from an abandoned building. It's also fuckin stupid to sit here and waste time demonizing a person for taking a "souvinere".
On one hand, nothing is valuable enough in a rotting building to take. On the other hand, who gives a fuck? I mean, really. The guy who takes it is assuming responsibility, not any of the ones criticizing it. The guy who left it didn't give a fuck. And the only person who will give a fuck, is somebody who believes they have say-so over a derelict objects fate. The uproar i've seen from people who found out I took things as insignificant as a pin, or a desk plate is absolutely and hilariously ridiculous.
I've never considered stripping a building, but i'm not about to let somebody sweat me because I took an object that was left behind. I took a photograph of an abandoned building I was in and less than a year later, absolutely everything in that building had been cleared out. What good is it if it's carelessly wasted? And when you find it in your little tour, there's really not much separating it from the grand cleaning.
Hey ban me but at the end of the day, the argument becomes fuckin dumber and dumber every time you try to find grey area. How's about, "Don't take anything and let other people take responsibility for their own actions."?
I can't wait to see what kinda adversity this gets.
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