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Infiltration Forums > US: Pacific Southwest > East Bay Mystery Walls(Viewed 5288 times)
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East Bay Mystery Walls
< on 9/19/2018 5:55 PM >
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Anyone explore the east bay mystery walls? I don't see mention of it on here.

I find mention of spirals and circles of walls, as well as fort-like structures. The locations of most of these walls are kept secret because of fears of vandals. I found this website of the walls mapped.

Not sure if this is considered urbex or not but it seems pretty cool and definitely is exploring.



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 1 on 9/23/2018 11:38 AM >
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I’ve heard whispers about them as well, but info is hard to find.
The same type of structures can be seen all around the Bay & foothills.
The ones I’ve personally seen are along Hw4 from Stockton before Angels Camp.
I’ve read that no one knows who built the structures, or what exactly they were, as the modern settlers found them abandoned.



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 2 on 9/26/2018 4:16 PM >
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I grew up in the Sonora/Oakdale/Angels Camp/Copper area and my great grandmother always talked about how the Chinese ranchers built them prior to, and during, the gold rush. If you go through Chinese Camp on Hwy 120/Hwy 108, there are tons more than what's shown in the link OP posted.



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 3 on 9/26/2018 4:53 PM >
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Posted by MonkeyGang

Not sure if this is considered urbex or not but it seems pretty cool and definitely is exploring.



Don't worry about whether its considered "urbex" or not, if its interesting and this sounds interesting to me, why not go explore it and shoot some photos.


I guarantee that any brownie points you hope to accrue by gaining the approval of some anonymous dorks on the Internet give by validating its true urbex value is zilch compared to the fun and satisfaction of locating and investigating i.e. exploring old forgotten man made structures.







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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 4 on 9/27/2018 9:41 PM >
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I love anything that has history to it, not just "urbex" stuff. What a cool find.



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 5 on 9/28/2018 2:59 PM >
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After some quick research, it looks like the origins of the walls are still disputed, as no one has really given them much thought to be considered worthy of serious archaeological study. Early 20th century scholars theorized they might be of prehistoric or Mongolian origin, but recent lichen tests suggest they were built in the early-to-mid 1800s. My personal favorite theory is this:

"The Spanish settlers in the area reported that the walls were already there when they arrived, and when they asked the local Ohlone American Indians, they said the same thing." - Atlas Obscura

However, from all the research I've done, the only evidence of this theory comes from this line in a KQED article:

"In published writings through the early 1920s, [US Mint clerk Harold] French never failed to describe the walls as "prehistoric" or "ancient." But beyond the walls' mere presence, the only evidence he ever cited was the testimony of unnamed old-timers who, he said, had told him that the walls had been a puzzle to both Native Americans and early settlers alike." - KQED

Still, it's fun to think that even the Ohlone had no idea where the hell these walls came from!

Other Research:

Newser: http://www.newser....e-to-confound.html

Mercury News: https://www.mercur...t-so-off-the-wall/





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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 6 on 9/28/2018 6:18 PM >
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Posted by weifinder
After some quick research, it looks like the origins of the walls are still disputed, as no one has really given them much thought to be considered worthy of serious archaeological study.



Yep, that's it. Most of the "research" is theories by conspiracy theorists. Anyways, I heard that there are spirals and cool structures at spots along the walls, so I am looking for those. Will post pictures if I find them! (probably not until winter when its less hot).



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 7 on 9/29/2018 4:42 PM >
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Cruised around Hwy 4, 120, and 108 the other day. Seems like there are far more walls than the ones that are mapped. If you head down 108/120 between Jamestown and Oakdale there is a nice round one that is still being used by one of the ranches. There are also quite a handful near Telegraph City that wind through the trees.

Pretty sure I remember a bunch being up off of Pool Station Road as well, but you might not be able to see them on google earth/maps due to tree coverage.



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 8 on 9/29/2018 6:45 PM >
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Posted by AARXNJAMES
Cruised around Hwy 4, 120, and 108 the other day. Seems like there are far more walls than the ones that are mapped. If you head down 108/120 between Jamestown and Oakdale there is a nice round one that is still being used by one of the ranches. There are also quite a handful near Telegraph City that wind through the trees.

Pretty sure I remember a bunch being up off of Pool Station Road as well, but you might not be able to see them on google earth/maps due to tree coverage.


Thanks for letting me know! The telegraph city ones sound cool, but according to this the walls were built fairly recently as a fire deterrent, so these are a different set of walls.



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 9 on 9/29/2018 8:13 PM >
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Why no pics?


Mongolians indeed...



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 10 on 10/3/2018 5:19 PM >
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I went hunting and found some small remnants of walls! According to some news stories there were once larger structures in the area but they were demolished for building. I will continue searching for some *more impressive* specimens.







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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 11 on 10/3/2018 5:40 PM >
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Posted by MonkeyGang
I will continue searching for some *more impressive* specimens.



Don't know anything about these walls, or even live within 1500mi of them. But... Those "rocks" sure looks like petrified bags of concrete....



Give abandonment a reason for its sacrificial reclamation to nature. Love it. Remember it. Take a picture. Share it. Leave the decay to nature.

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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 12 on 10/4/2018 2:19 AM >
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Posted by Mr. Bitey


Don't know anything about these walls, or even live within 1500mi of them. But... Those "rocks" sure looks like petrified bags of concrete....


On second thought... so they do. I just assumed they were part of the walls because my area is known to already have some. That's a bit disappointing...



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 13 on 10/4/2018 11:31 AM >
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Posted by MonkeyGang


On second thought... so they do. I just assumed they were part of the walls because my area is known to already have some. That's a bit disappointing...


Seems to be quite a bit of info online about these "mystery walls". I didn't read much though, as it only makes me want to hunt them down. Seeing as I am like 2500mi away, probably not going to happen anytime soon! However I would like to read anything you discover, and pics of any sections you may find. Good luck!



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 14 on 10/4/2018 10:26 PM >
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Posted by MonkeyGang
I went hunting and found some small remnants of walls!


Nope.


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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 15 on 10/15/2018 6:38 PM >
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I've never got the idea of some complex purpose for the walls. There are stories of complicated spirals and going up to Mount Diablo, the Sutter Buttes and Mount Shasta, but I've seen nothing remotely like that on satellite. Even if true (possible if they were destroyed)the size and scale of this hypothetical civilization would be more complex than anything seen in North America, including the Chaco Culture in the Southwest and the Mississippian Cultures in the South, some of which were immediately pre-European contact. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of this type of civilization in California, even closer to Mesoamerica.

That's not to say the pre-contact Native groups of California are not a fascinating subject that has been sadly neglected.

As for the early Chinese explorer theory, I need to point out that the walls would still require a large number of people building them, certainly far more than even a fleet could provide.

Spanish/Mexican/Chinese/Anglo ranch/boundary work from the 1800-1900s seems quite possible, due to the massive amount of ecological changes that they have done during and immediately after the Gold Rush (channeling the Sacramento Delta, burying most of San Francisco Bay). New England is filled with stone walls that seem to have no purpose but to serve as an organized pile to dispose of debris in fields, and I think the Mystery Walls could be quite similar.

The walls around Telegraph City and Gold Country are definitely ranch related and not very interesting. I am not convinced the walls around Mount Diablo are not natural (though some like China Wall are pretty impressive). There are ones that people claim as the Mystery Walls deep in Ed Levin and Mission Peak, but the I've found no evidence of them in Tilden.



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 16 on 10/15/2018 11:34 PM >
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Its hard to believe that somebody cant tell the difference in a bag of Sakrete and a stone.


For those that reality matters to, municipal workers, conservationists, ranchers etc toss un-hydrated bags of ready mto mix concrete out to stop erosion or build a base for a retaining wall. Lazy man temporary technique, the stuff never really gets mixed properly by the rain.

I guess its all the same to some people, Mongolians invented Sakrete Im pretty sure.



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 17 on 10/16/2018 1:42 AM >
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Posted by 2Xplorations
Its hard to believe that somebody cant tell the difference in a bag of Sakrete and a stone.


For those that reality matters to, municipal workers, conservationists, ranchers etc toss un-hydrated bags of ready mto mix concrete out to stop erosion or build a base for a retaining wall. Lazy man temporary technique, the stuff never really gets mixed properly by the rain.

I guess its all the same to some people, Mongolians invented Sakrete Im pretty sure.


I don't mean to be rude here. You are a much more senior member of the community and your work in exploring is excellent. But as a senior member of the community, shouldn't your job to be to educate rookies like myself? Your comments have been exceptionally ill-tempered.

I now recognize that the images I posted are bags of cement. I was excited to find something new and posted it in haste. However, there ARE other walls around. I have done some additional research and found the history of some specific walls near me (Chinese laborers). Again, I do not mean to be rude to a senior member of the community, but I do plan to photograph actual walls and your comments seem to be personally attacking the rest of us.



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 18 on 10/16/2018 2:02 AM >
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Are you sure youre not MountainManDan?



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Re: East Bay Mystery Walls
<Reply # 19 on 10/16/2018 4:07 AM >
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Posted by 2Xplorations
Are you sure youre not MountainManDan?


No? I am most definitely not MountainManDan. I don't know what MountainManDan did, but I know he has a bad reputation around here. Sorry but, why would you assume that? My username is nothing similar.



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