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Re: Tried my hand at long exposure
<Reply # 20 on 1/8/2016 6:34 PM >
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The reason you get orange color, because of the light temperature.
You'll get off colors like that, whether or not the actual "light" is in the frame.
That's why there's settings in your camera to change the white balance.

"Our natural visual system easily adapts to changes in the color temperature of light. When we look at a subject under incandescent light, we perceive natural colors. However, film and digital sensors are not as lenient."

Incandescent light produces a reddish-orange tint to the image, while Fluorescent lighting produces a greenish cast. And shooting outdoors under shade or an overcast sky produces a bluish tint. etc etc.



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Re: Tried my hand at long exposure
<Reply # 21 on 1/8/2016 6:58 PM >
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The reason you get orange color, because of the light temperature.
You'll get off colors like that, whether or not the actual "light" is in the frame.
That's why there's settings in your camera to change the white balance.

"Our natural visual system easily adapts to changes in the color temperature of light. When we look at a subject under incandescent light, we perceive natural colors. However, film and digital sensors are not as lenient."

Incandescent light produces a reddish-orange tint to the image, while Fluorescent lighting produces a greenish cast. And shooting outdoors under shade or an overcast sky produces a bluish tint. etc etc.


The WB is near dead on. The orange is from sodium vapor street lights. Being a monochrome source of light it's impossible to render color images without a source of white light in that area.



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Re: Tried my hand at long exposure
<Reply # 22 on 1/8/2016 7:12 PM >
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If you really don't want to get a tripod, learn to use surrounding objects as a makeshift tripod. See a table or counter or chair? Set the camera down, put it in timer mode, click the shutter release and wait for it to finish. Get creative. It isn't optimal, but it can work.

Otherwise, you could do what I do, and take 4-8 pictures at an incredibly high ISO, then auto-align them in photoshop, and take the median value. This gets rid of most (if not all) of the outlying ISO noise. The result is a decent quality picture. Most people will tell you not to bother. It can be a lot of work, but it's either that or bringing a tripod.


Definitely some creative advice in there and it's important to be creative with your gear, particularly if you're on a budget. My only problem with the tripod solution is the case in which you're in a building that's been completely gutted. That happened to me with the first hospital I ever visited. I forgot my tripod and there was literally NOTHING laying around to use as a makeshift one and no counters or anything is good positions to use.

You don't need to get the most expensive gear to get great photos, but to get decent ones, you have to put SOME form of investment into your gear. Even if that just means buying a $20 tripod ...or I guess in your case buying photoshop because you didn't want to buy the $20 tripod :p

I would never tell someone to spend hundreds/thousands of dollars on expensive accessories, but there are certain cheap accessories that are made for this type of photography. If you're just trying this out and might not stick with it, fine. However, if you plan to continue doing long exposures, or even shooting interiors of buildings, it just seems silly to not spend the extra $50 it would take to get the two extra pieces of gear that will save you headache, time, and image quality in the future.

Also, regardless of what causes the orange glow from street lights, it is something you can correct using white balance on your camera or in post processing. There also actually exist filters you can use to reduce light pollution in your photos.

This isn't completely specific to the OP, but since we're talking about long exposures in general now, here's a pretty comprehensive article that talks about filters and pretty much everything else that goes with outdoor long exposures: http://expertphoto...tography-at-night/


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Re: Tried my hand at long exposure
<Reply # 23 on 1/8/2016 7:23 PM >
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Definitely some creative advice in there and it's important to be creative with your gear, particularly if you're on a budget. My only problem with the tripod solution is the case in which you're in a building that's been completely gutted. That happened to me with the first hospital I ever visited. I forgot my tripod and there was literally NOTHING laying around to use as a makeshift one and no counters or anything is good positions to use.




Door and window frames. Doors. Walls.



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Re: Tried my hand at long exposure
<Reply # 24 on 1/8/2016 7:32 PM >
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I get leaning against doors and walls to stable yourself, but how are you going to use a door or wall as a tripod for a long exposure? If you're touching your camera during a long exposure, you're going to move it. That's just a fact. Not to mention that by not having a tripod and forcing yourself to rely on those things, you're severely limiting your options for compositions and angles.



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Re: Tried my hand at long exposure
<Reply # 25 on 1/8/2016 7:49 PM >
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I get leaning against doors and walls to stable yourself, but how are you going to use a door or wall as a tripod for a long exposure? If you're touching your camera during a long exposure, you're going to move it. That's just a fact. Not to mention that by not having a tripod and forcing yourself to rely on those things, you're severely limiting your options for compositions and angles.


Use a towel and press into it with the cam/lense. It works for shorter exposures. I shoot off 5 frames at once so usually; at one shot would be good. Unless you need to do .2-4+ second exposures cheap tricks work if you have good technique. Add a IS lense or cam and it's real easy.

The heavier pro body cams and lens are easier to keep still due to their greater mass and better hand holds. Always using a tripod means you'll never develop good free style shooting skills. It takes good form, technique, and practice to do. Being able to shoot fluidly is more important to me than completely no blur images. Photography is an art. No image, no art.

Remember to turn off IS when using a tripod...



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Re: Tried my hand at long exposure
<Reply # 26 on 1/9/2016 2:56 AM >
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I agree with you that getting the best quality shots straight out of the camera is an important skill and should be the goal of any photographer. However, I disagree with the aspect of free hand shooting. I do think creativity is an insanely important quality in a photographer when it comes to using their gear or getting around a lack of gear. We've all been there. However, I wouldn't say bringing a tripod means you're dependent and can't shoot free hand or hinders your development of those skills.

Every individual knows their style, they know the kind of shots they want to take and they take the appropriate tools to get them. You should bring along what you need to get a good shot. For example, with my old rebel xs (where .2-4 second exposures wouldn't be enough), I'd MUCH rather take along a tripod and get good quality long exposure shots where I get complete control over the composition and angle, than not have my tripod and get noisy and/or blurry shots. Or shot at an angle I'm not happy with but was the only place to set my camera down. And why sort through five photos of one subject hoping one is in focus when you could have just gotten a good focus with a tripod?

I just don't see how you can argue against having a tripod. Especially when you're talking about cameras like the one the OP is using, it's very easy to find a compact, light-weight tripod that will get the job done in most situations for cheap. I just don't see the point in sacrificing quality to not carry around a very useful piece of equipment or to try and prove something about your freehand skills. I could see the argument if this person were doing SRT or backpacking or something, but most people here aren't.

I can't really say anything on the topic of this without repeating myself, which I'm sure I already have so I will bow out of this thread. I just think it's stupid to choose not to have with you a cheap compact piece of equipment that gives you better control of your photos in the atmosphere you're shooting in.



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Re: Tried my hand at long exposure
<Reply # 27 on 1/9/2016 4:34 AM >
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I agree with you that getting the best quality shots straight out of the camera is an important skill and should be the goal of any photographer. However, I disagree with the aspect of free hand shooting. I do think creativity is an insanely important quality in a photographer when it comes to using their gear or getting around a lack of gear. We've all been there. However, I wouldn't say bringing a tripod means you're dependent and can't shoot free hand or hinders your development of those skills.

Every individual knows their style, they know the kind of shots they want to take and they take the appropriate tools to get them. You should bring along what you need to get a good shot. For example, with my old rebel xs (where .2-4 second exposures wouldn't be enough), I'd MUCH rather take along a tripod and get good quality long exposure shots where I get complete control over the composition and angle, than not have my tripod and get noisy and/or blurry shots. Or shot at an angle I'm not happy with but was the only place to set my camera down. And why sort through five photos of one subject hoping one is in focus when you could have just gotten a good focus with a tripod?

I just don't see how you can argue against having a tripod. Especially when you're talking about cameras like the one the OP is using, it's very easy to find a compact, light-weight tripod that will get the job done in most situations for cheap. I just don't see the point in sacrificing quality to not carry around a very useful piece of equipment or to try and prove something about your freehand skills. I could see the argument if this person were doing SRT or backpacking or something, but most people here aren't.

I can't really say anything on the topic of this without repeating myself, which I'm sure I already have so I will bow out of this thread. I just think it's stupid to choose not to have with you a cheap compact piece of equipment that gives you better control of your photos in the atmosphere you're shooting in.


Some of my best shots I've gotten were when street shooting. Far more challenging than shooting static objects. A tripod would have been useless for these shoots. When shooting with a 70-200 f/2.8 IS 2nd generation wide open a tripod makes a mess of things as compared to shooting it free style.
Same is true with a 50L. I'll take a fast lense over a tripod...

Taking 2 minutes or more to line up a shot bores me to tears. For me spending half my time and energy fussing with a tripod for daylight shots is wasteful and redundant. Content is far more important than zero blur. Tripods can be useful but not when used to make up for poor shooting skills when not needed.

Many times the few shots that truly needed a tripod I would skip in abandonments to go after higher profile shots in better lite areas. I've dragged a tripod around Beth Steel on some trips for fewer than 10% of the shots. Not worth the time and energy it wasted as well as shots lost! Worse using the tripod limits your creativity. Anything from floor to ceiling is fair game to shoot from if it captures the shot I want. Outside of hand rails, in mid air, on top of pipes, etc. My last two major demo shoots were done 95% without a tripod and results were better. Not to mention no cam bodies were smashed by falling bloody tripods...

Note: While a light weight tripod is easier to lug around, it is less resistant to vibration and wind. Those heavy wooden tripods work very well...

One thing no one mentioned in this thread for low light shots is a red laser preferably 535 nm for getting fast reliable AF locks.



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Re: Tried my hand at long exposure
<Reply # 28 on 1/18/2016 2:15 PM >
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One thing no one mentioned in this thread for low light shots is a red laser preferably 535 nm for getting fast reliable AF locks.


I didn't know this was a thing. I'll have to try this out :b


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Re: Tried my hand at long exposure
<Reply # 29 on 1/18/2016 2:42 PM >
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I didn't know this was a thing. I'll have to try this out :b


The cam locks on wherever the dot is; it's very detectable to the AF sensor due the laser light's high energy density. Much better than shining lights around especially if you're trying to be stealthy.


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Re: Tried my hand at long exposure
<Reply # 30 on 1/19/2016 6:13 PM >
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Throw my vote in for a tripod!

Even if you didn't have one, you can always try stacking shit up and placing the camera on top. You said you found some wood -- find more wood and stack it high enough for your shot. All for the low cost of free.

I also totally agree with a remote shutter. Again, if you don't want to spend cash and have a smart phone, try using an app. Both of these work with the T3i.

Android: https://play.googl...e.dslrremote&hl=en
iPhone: https://itunes.app...e/id565839396?mt=8


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