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Posted by Samurai
Skyhawks and Firenza's are hard to find now.
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That's because they were shit. I went through three head gaskets in two engines. The last blow cracked the head, too. I think the problem was that the head was aluminum and the block was iron.
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Posted by splumer
That's because they were shit. I went through three head gaskets in two engines. The last blow cracked the head, too. I think the problem was that the head was aluminum and the block was iron.
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now, the problem was the engine itself. The 1.8L/2.0L OHC engine was a boat anchor from GM's South American/Brazilian plant. It was shit from day one and was shit right up until the Sunbird was discontinued for the Sunfire. If the head gasket didn't fail in those engines, it was the camshaft going to hell at around 80k miles. The few Skyhawks and Fireza's that were equipped with the OHV engine lasted a bit longer, but even the Gen 1 OHV engine had some issues that were never corrected until late in the Gen 2 cycle.
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Posted by Samurai
now, the problem was the engine itself. The 1.8L/2.0L OHC engine was a boat anchor from GM's South American/Brazilian plant. It was shit from day one and was shit right up until the Sunbird was discontinued for the Sunfire. If the head gasket didn't fail in those engines, it was the camshaft going to hell at around 80k miles. The few Skyhawks and Fireza's that were equipped with the OHV engine lasted a bit longer, but even the Gen 1 OHV engine had some issues that were never corrected until late in the Gen 2 cycle.
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Your relationship with GM is similar to one that an abused wife has with her husband... "Awwwww he didn't mean it, I get mouthy sometimes!"
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Posted by DelbertGrady
Your relationship with GM is similar to one that an abused wife has with her husband... "Awwwww he didn't mean it, I get mouthy sometimes!"
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You just won the whole internet!
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Posted by DelbertGrady
Your relationship with GM is similar to one that an abused wife has with her husband... "Awwwww he didn't mean it, I get mouthy sometimes!"
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HAHAHAHA!!! Sam's right, though. Those engines sucked. Having an aluminum head on an iron block is an invitation to a blown head gasket, though. Different thermal expansion coefficients. I don't know whose idea that was, unless they were thinking the dealers would get a lot of repair business.
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Posted by splumer
HAHAHAHA!!! Sam's right, though. Those engines sucked. Having an aluminum head on an iron block is an invitation to a blown head gasket, though. Different thermal expansion coefficients. I don't know whose idea that was, unless they were thinking the dealers would get a lot of repair business.
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i've never had a head gasket fail on the 10 J-bodies and two Cobalts I've had... the two 3100 V6's on the other hand; the Beretta had an intake gasket fail and the Monte Carlo had a head gasket fail. that's it.
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Posted by splumer
I don't know whose idea that was, unless they were thinking the dealers would get a lot of repair business.
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I did lots under warranty, and that doesn't help anybody out except for the customer. I think a big part of it was how the DexCool (which sort of turns into cake at a certain point) reacts with the gasket material as well. It seemed like when I worked at the dealership, anything that came in contact with coolant was a failure prone part.
I've done one head gasket (not including vehicles I've had the heads off of for other purposes) since I've been at VW, and it was on a 22 year old Eurovan with 600,000 on the clock.
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Dexcool was a terrible FAIL
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Posted by bandi
I did lots under warranty, and that doesn't help anybody out except for the customer. I think a big part of it was how the DexCool (which sort of turns into cake at a certain point) reacts with the gasket material as well. It seemed like when I worked at the dealership, anything that came in contact with coolant was a failure prone part.
I've done one head gasket (not including vehicles I've had the heads off of for other purposes) since I've been at VW, and it was on a 22 year old Eurovan with 600,000 on the clock.
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why, out of all the cars I have owned, so many of them GM products, have I only had ONE head gasket fail and ONE intake gasket fail?
hmmmmmm?
and don't tell me lucky... that's a bullshit answer.
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Sam your silly. I've changed at least a dozen headgaskets and more than double that Of intake gaskets on gm 6cyls in the last five years, and those are the ones I actually sold services too. Also changed quite a few on the v8 trucks and vans as well. I've had to replace heads and intakes because the shit coolant literally eats away the aluminum to the point it's junk. I've done more intakes on the gm 6cyl than all others combined .
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Posted by sleeperspirit
Sam your silly.
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oh of course.
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Posted by Samurai
why, out of all the cars I have owned, so many of them GM products, have I only had ONE head gasket fail and ONE intake gasket fail?
hmmmmmm?
and don't tell me lucky... that's a bullshit answer.
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You get magical ones that don't break. It's that Adirondack air or something.
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'99 Grand Prix- intake gasket @ 60k
'95 GMC K1500- intake gasket @ 100k
'01 Cavalier- 2 head gaskets before 100k
Just my experience as an owner.
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Posted by DelbertGrady
'99 Grand Prix- intake gasket @ 60k
'95 GMC K1500- intake gasket @ 100k
'01 Cavalier- 2 head gaskets before 100k
Just my experience as an owner.
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1991 Chevrolet Cavalier RS- 2.2L OHV/TBI 5speed: retired from service due to wiring versus motor mount issue 201,000 miles. No headgasket replaced.
1988 Chevrolet Cavalier RS- 2.0L OHV/TBI 5speed: retired from ownership due to shoddily replaced collision & clutch repair 120,000 miles.
1984 Chevrolet Cavalier Type 10 coupe- 2.0L OHV/TBI 4-speed: retired from ownership at 180,000 miles due to crankshaft main bearing failure and block detonation.
1996 Chevrolet Cavalier 2.2L OHV/MPFI-3speed auto: traded in at 150,000miles for a 2 year newer 5speed model. (okay, you got me on this one... the headgasket WAS replaced on this as there was a warranty on the car and the car DID have a dubious past)
1998 Chevrolet Cavalier RS clone- 2.2L OHV/SFI-5speed: traded for a 2005 Cobalt coupe at 270,000+ miles. No headgasket replaced or seeping. Only engine mechanical replaced was the waterpump.
1985 Cheverolet Cavalier Type 10 hatchback- 2.0L OHV/TBI 3-speed auto: purchased this car for $75, drove it a couple of days but was too rotten to the continue. Scrapped.
2005 Chevrolet Cobalt base coupe- 2.2L DOHC/SFI-5speed: first new car car. Traded at 49,000 miles after 15 months of ownership. Only issues were a faulty dimmer switch and CD player, all addressed under warranty.
2007 Chevrolet Cobalt SS/SC- 2.0L DOHC Supercharged/SFI-5speed: drove 120,000 miles and only warranty or ongoing issue was me breaking the catalytic converter downpipe.
1993 Chevrolet Lumina sedan- 3.1L MPFI/4speed auto: bought as a winterbeater with over 150,000 miles on the odometer. Leaked gas and trans fluid everywhere. Beat mercilessly for a winter and sold to a co-worker who drove it another 10 months beating it mercilessly. Sold to another party and its whereabouts are unknown.
1998 Chevrolet Cavalier sedan- 2.2L SFI/4speed auto: bought as a winterbeater with 140,000+ on the odometer. Car had terrible electrical issues in the main harness due to a botched anti-theft system as well as shoddily installed stereo system. Was given to a friend who repaired the car and gave to his daughter who beat the car mercilessly for over 1.5 years. Eventually it was scrapped as the subframe gave out at 250,000 miles.
1998 Chevrolet Lumina sedan- 3.1L SFI/4-speed auto: was given as a replacement winter beater at 174,000 miles. Car was in phenomenal shape. Only mechanical issue was a faulty multifunction lever that was a problem endemic to that particular model. Sold the car to a neighbor at 220,000 miles. Drove the car until it would no longer structurally pass state inspection at 302,000 miles.
1999 Chevrolet Monte Carlo- 3.1L SFI/4speed auto: purchased at a Chevrolet dealer as a second car. 179,000 miles on the odometer. This engine did suffer a head gasket failure. We had hoped it was an intake gasket, but after tearing it down, replacing the intake gasket set and reassembling it, the diagnosis was head gasket. I ended up trading the car at 205,000 miles for a 1996 Chevrolet Beretta with similar issues.
1996 Chevrolet Beretta coupe- 3.1L SFI/4speed auto: traded the Monte Carlo for this car as it had a blown intake gasket. This car had barely 80,000 miles on it. Drove it to 130,000k after having intake gasket set replaced with no issues. Sold the car after purchasing my new Cruze. Still running with new owner at over 170,000 miles.
2012 Chevrolet Cruze LT/RS Turbo clone- 1.4L DOHC Turbo/6speed manual: no issues other than paint.
there were a couple of other cars that i missed... but its not important as they did not suffer failures. what is clear though, is that when GM redesigned the 60-degree 6 from the 3.1L into the 3100 and 3400, their gasket supplier was a fucking chucklehead.
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Posted by Samurai
1991 Chevrolet Cavalier ... chucklehead.
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That's wonderful, Sam. Would you like to here about my 89 Cavalier that blew a head gasket? I've had three J's, and two of them blew. That's a 66 percent failure rate.... IF you take my miniscule sample as representative. How many millions of J-cars did they sell over the years? At one point it was the best-selling car in America, so even the several you've had aren't a representative sample. You probably took much better care of yours then I did of mine, so again that throws the sample off. The only way to know for sure is to look at the repair records of thousands of them.
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Posted by splumer
That's wonderful, Sam. Would you like to here about my 89 Cavalier that blew a head gasket? I've had three J's, and two of them blew. That's a 66 percent failure rate.... IF you take my miniscule sample as representative. How many millions of J-cars did they sell over the years? At one point it was the best-selling car in America, so even the several you've had aren't a representative sample. You probably took much better care of yours then I did of mine, so again that throws the sample off. The only way to know for sure is to look at the repair records of thousands of them.
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i beat every one of them mercilessly.
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New rule in Car Talk:
GM head and intake gaskets don't fail ever. Neither do their wheel bearings. Ever.
J Body muffler straps never rust off.
The control arm bushings are made of titanium and diamond and can not fail.
Also, they can run on water and the exhaust emits tiny unicorns, not pollutants.
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And all other kinds of cars suck. There is no comparison.
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Posted by bandi
And all other kinds of cars suck. There is no comparison.
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i'm done with this forum.
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To be fair, DEXCOOL I think no one knew how to mix right when it first came out....
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